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Spelling correction: RIVERFRONT

well back in the good old days it had Pete Rose,Griffey, Boomer, and the Icky Shuffle. Then it became trash the Bumgals moved out after Cenergy(Spelling?) put its name on the stadium and now the Reds are kissing it goodbye.

That leaves Busch and the disaster known as THE VET. the only remaining multi-purpose Stadiums. I think even those two will be history too.

(edited by CajunMan on 23.9.02 1836)


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That leaves Busch and the disaster known as THE VET. the only remaining multi-purpose Stadiums. I think even those two will be history too.

They`ve revamped Busch over the years and it always looks pretty nice whenever I see it on TV.

The Vet will be a parking lot for Lincoln Field & the Phillies` as-yet-unnamed new stadium. And ya know, despite its concrete & plastic soul, I`ll still miss it. I`ve seen a lot of games there in my life.



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Busch...I mean Pitney Bowes Field...is beautiful now. It's no longer multipurpose, with grass, the huge out-of-town manual scoreboard, outfield bullpens, and a green paintjob, shunning the drab blue used for decades. Without the arches at the very top, it's almost unrecognizable from some angles.

Which means the owners shot themselves in the foot; they want a new stadium, and while the city is going along with it, Missouri isn't, so now Illinois' General Assembly is stepping up and may build a stadium in East St. Louis. Or they'll stay downtown in a privately financed park, which has been raised as a serious option in the past couple days. However it's done, I find it ridiculous that a new stadium is necessary for an All-Star Game, since 250 Stadium Plaza is beautiful, and there hasn't been a Mid-Summer Clasic here since 1966. Everyone (save some 90s expansion teams) have had it since, many twice. It's like Tagliabue's running MLB or something, all the hate sent St. Louis' way.



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Qualcomm (aka Jack Murphy field) is still here for another year, and it's still multi-purpose.



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Don't forget the "World's Greatest Entertainment Facility", Skydome!

It was cool from 1989-1993, now it's just this giant empty egg.
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    Originally posted by The Goon
    Don't forget the "World's Greatest Entertainment Facility", Skydome!

    It was cool from 1989-1993, now it's just this giant empty egg.



Hey it was the baseball stadium of the future from 1989-1992. I remember how great I thought the place was becasue it had a hotel and a Hard Rock and all, not realizing how ugly the damn thing was. Hell, I was excited to see it when I was in Toronto in 1991(and we couldn't even get in to take a tour because of an Argos game that night; I STILL got half a roll of pictures of the place.

Then Camden Yards happened(still the greatest ballpark on earth) making SkyDome out of date, then Bank One Ballpark happened making it irrelevant.

The remaining toteboard of teams that desperately need new digs:

Florida
Montreal
NY Mets
St. Louis(though less than the others)
Tampa Bay
Toronto(if it weren't for the Argos they could actually renovate it into, ya know, a baseball stadium and not a multipurpose enigma)
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How could Joe Robbie Stadium and Skydome be dumps already? Didn't they open in the early 90's?



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St. Louis was a halfway decent "cookie cutter" stadium, when I visited it in 1998. They made some creative use of the upper outfield bleachers, with the retired numbers, pennants and all.


In defense of Joe Robbie: it is a dump for baseball. But it was built primarily for football and is still a good venue for such. It seems to host the Super Bowl every five years or so.

Why the heck was Tropicana Field built? Wasn't it originally for a hockey team?



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The Big 'No' is multi-purpose. The Allouttes played their games before they moved to a much better venue. Of course, that's assuming the roof will remain standing any longer than two days.



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    Originally posted by estragand
    St. Louis was a halfway decent "cookie cutter" stadium, when I visited it in 1998. They made some creative use of the upper outfield bleachers, with the retired numbers, pennants and all.


    In defense of Joe Robbie: it is a dump for baseball. But it was built primarily for football and is still a good venue for such. It seems to host the Super Bowl every five years or so.

    Why the heck was Tropicana Field built? Wasn't it originally for a hockey team?



I think It was in a Ross Report when the WWE was considering Tropicana for WM18. Ross stated you had to walk a mile from the lockeroom to the field. Makes you wonder what the architects and builders of this dump were thinking.



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The Devil Rays should just detonate Tropicana and use their Spring Training facility as their home field. That particular field is actually pretty nice. It would solve the Rays' lease and attendance woes in one stroke.

Tropicana seems out of place in St. Petersburg. There's all these ornate hotels, street cafes, boat clubs, fishing joints...and then there's a big ass domed stadium.



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#12 Posted on
    Originally posted by CajunMan
    How could Joe Robbie Stadium and Skydome be dumps already? Didn't they open in the early 90's?


Yup!!!

I don't buy the argument that the Skydome is a dump... It is the same stadium that was praised when it was built. I certainly can't see people staying away from games in Toronto because of it. People are staying away because they don't see their team having much of a chance!!!

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I think another reason is simple... $$$$$

As a resident of the surrounding suburbs, if I want to go to game with my kids(2 boys), I need to visit my money-tree in the backyard before going.

Tickets are pretty easy to come by now, lots of people who say they can't even give them away. So you get your duckets for free.(if you know the right people)

Transit or parking... $$$
A beer at the dome... $$$
Hot dog,pretzel,peanuts whatever you like during a game... $$$
Souvenir for the kid(s)... $$$
Whatever else you are inclined to do while in downtown Toronto(dinner, sights)... $$$

Add it all up and most people today can not afford to do it, even with free tickets.

The 'dome is still a good place to watch a game, IMHO, if you are so inclined, but if I want to do it with my family, I need to plan ahead and save up the $$$ to do it.

EDIT: if they built a new stadium in Toronto tomorrow, like a Camden Yards, we would be having the same discussion about it 5-10 years from now. New stadia are the exciting thing for a short-time, then something better appears, and yours is out-of-date. That, unfortunately will never change...

(edited by haz on 25.9.02 0900)


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    Originally posted by estragand
    In defense of Joe Robbie: it is a dump for baseball. But it was built primarily for football and is still a good venue for such. It seems to host the Super Bowl every five years or so.


It's a great place for football. And that's the problem. It is in fact a football stadium. Never been there, but you can tell that most of the seats are a country mile away. They need a new park


    Originally posted by estragand
    Why the heck was Tropicana Field built? Wasn't it originally for a hockey team?


No, it was built for baseball....in 1990. Yes, they built a baseball stadium eight years before they got one. Of course, the Mariners, White Sox and Giants all threatened to move to St. Pete before they got new digs. It was ridiculously out of date when the D-Rays opened up, but before that, it hosted the Davis Cup finals, hockey games, and arena football games. The Lightning playing there gave us the first name change, corporate bucks the second(from Florida Suncoast Dome to the Thunderdome to Tropicana Field).
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The worst stadium is the Metrodome in Minneapolis. Its like a big smelly gymnasium. No one likes it, not the fans or players or owners. On the radio they call it the 'Big Inflatable Toilet'. I've only been there once, and I'll never go back. The smell, the horrific echoing of sound. The friggen second rate billboards. I can't really think of one thing I liked about it. Even the parking is bad.
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Biggest baseball problem for Joe Robbie is that it is next to Calder Race Track, which also happens to be about 20 miles from the population center in Miami. If they moved to the Orange Bowl, they would be right in Little Havana, a few miles away from South Beach, and would be able to boost attendance just based on being closer to the limited public transportation of Miami.
Back to Riverfront, hopefully that spawn of Satan Larry Barnett will be in the place when they tear it down. It was interference of Fisk's throw to second.



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Until someone actually tells me how to work these funny colors and boldness, all my posts shall be this plain.

You know, some people might think that redsoxnation is just a wee bit bitter, but then again, it could be me. But anyways, I agree with the weasley one in the corner. The HomerDome is a crappy stadium that should be replaced. But it probably won't, because after all, the Twins are only going to be around for another 5 years.



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    Originally posted by gugs
    You know, some people might think that redsoxnation is just a wee bit bitter, but then again, it could be me. But anyways, I agree with the weasley one in the corner. The HomerDome is a crappy stadium that should be replaced. But it probably won't, because after all, the Twins are only going to be around for another 5 years.




A little bitter? That's an insult, I'm very bitter. How long til opening day 2003, when the Bataan Death March begins yet again?

(edited by redsoxnation on 28.9.02 2304)


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Busch stadium is nice, but the owners of the Cardinals are trying to RAPE the people and tax payers for a publicly funded stadium. As if the large group that owns them cant afford one on their own. Build it across the river with center field being open, so you can see the sky line of St Louis, you know with the arch and all that crap you see in EVERY post card from St Louis.

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Actually, the Cardinals' partnership only wanted the city/state to pay for the Ballpark Village; they were offering to pay around $300 million towards the project, and that was the cost of the stadium. Now the Village is pretty much dead, at least compared to the original plan.

It's all moot, since Pitney Bowes Field will be privately financed if Missouri's Transportation Dept. gets its act together and funds the highway rebuilding projects around Cupples Station. I'd rather see it that way; as nice as the original proposal was, and it wasn't as horrible as opponents made it out to be, it's always better when taxpayers don't have to shell out the cash.



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WHere exactly are they planning on building the new stadium now? I was hoping they would keep it where Busch is, like the original plan. But still, the owners of the Cardinals have the cash to make this happen all on thier own, and want the people who work in, or visit St Louis to foot part of the bill, not cool in any way shape or form!
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