I wouldn't like this move if I were a Yankee fan. Vazquez has pretty much proven that he's not a big game pitcher and a better NL pitcher than an AL pitcher. I'd also be sad about losing Melky, who isn't a big name player but adds a lot of little things to a team that needs guys to add little things. The Yankees being the Yankees probably want to fill the roster with 25 big names.
I'm not sure if Atlanta is trying to compete or what their situation is. Melky will be a nice steady bat in the lineup and a good glove in the outfield. I can see him doing pretty well for himself in a place like Atlanta.
I don't think this deal makes sense for either club. Vazquez is simply not as effective a pitcher in the AL as he is in the NL; granted, the Yankees aren't asking him to be an ace, but even still, his first stint in New York didn't go too well.
As for Atlanta, I think they missed an opportunity. Their starting rotation is good enough that I really think they're a bat or two away from winning the NL East. Melky Cabrera, needless to say, is not that bat. Unless they use the savings from dealing Vazquez to sign someone like a Matt Holliday, I don't see this as a good move.
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Originally posted by BigDaddyLocoI wouldn't like this move if I were a Yankee fan. Vazquez has pretty much proven that he's not a big game pitcher and a better NL pitcher than an AL pitcher. I'd also be sad about losing Melky, who isn't a big name player but adds a lot of little things to a team that needs guys to add little things.
FWIW, Vazquez DID finish 4th in the NL Cy Young race, with an ERA under 3. While they dish out way more for him than Melky, he's probably not a bad guy to have in the four spot of your rotation. I wasn't thrilled with the deal when I heard about it, but a) Melky had some big hits and an AWESOME arm, but he's very inconsistent and a little undisciplined still; b) Vazquez isn't being asked to be THE MAN...just THE #4 MAN; c) I'm a big fan of Brett Gardner.
This is a fantastic deal for the Yankees. Even if you want to completely disregard Vasquez' 2009 because it was in the NL, he was also a great pitcher from 2006 to 2008 with the White Sox. His Fielding Independent Pitching rates (scaled like ERA, except it measures things pitchers can actually control) for those three seasons: 4.05, 3.72, 3.85.
Vasquez is a great pitcher, and the Yankees got him for peanuts. He did have one mediocre year in New York in 2004, but that's far more likely to just be an anomaly than nonsense like "not being able to pitch in big games."
Whitebacon has hit at the very crux of the argument in his last sentence. I heard the excerpt on ESPN this morning that Rose has admitted to gambling on baseball. I don't think this changes anything. He broke THE cardinal sin of baseball.