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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.03
    Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff
    Anybody else notice that on Pinkston's long pass reception down the sideline (the play imediately before the Eagles 1st TD), that once he got the ball under control, his 2nd foot down was on the sideline.


Sounds to me like you're the only one who did. Now that you mention it, I wouldn't object to viewing footage. (The play looked fine to me, but I can't say I was looking strongly at it. I did like how not only was McNabb able to dodge at least two tackles, but I enjoyed when they showed Pinkston running around in coverage, then his defenders getting off him when it looked like McNabb might run, only for them to rush back when he threw the ball. Pinkston's possible misstep aside, that was an awesome play.)

    Originally posted by dMr
    Those inches were pretty much a yard and we'd been doing a pretty decent job of stopping them when the chips were down.


The Eagles have had a few moments this season where their opponents were at 4th and goal on the 1 yard line and they were able to stop it. Normally, I always think teams should go at 4th and 1 (how hard is it to get a yard?) but defense in this situation almost seems like an Eagles specialty.

    Originally posted by dMr
    Akers missing an easy field goal....


I'm glad Akers missed that goal. It let him know about the wind on that side of the stadium so that he could adjust and make the next two. (Granted, making that first one would have drastically altered the game, but I'd rather that than him find out about the wind when he misses the game tying kick at the end of the 4th).

    Originally posted by King of Crap
    Everytime I see [McNabb] smiling on the sideline, I groan.


Funny, I had the same thoughts about Favre during the earlier parts of the game.

    Originally posted by Jaguar
    The Eagles are just not a very likeable team.


Well, *I* like the Eagles, but I've been indoctrinated by my girlfriend and her family. Besides, I came from the Giants, and I can't say it was hard to switch sides these last few years. (... don't tell my dad...)

Last night showed how important a role Brian Westbrook played to the Eagles. Westbrook had been one of the key Eagles offensive playmakers, but with him down, it was up to McNabb to shoulder the burden, which he hadn't done since before his injury. He proved that he was back. (when was the last time he left the pocket like that?) Yeah, the Eagles are an ugly team, but somehow, when other teams play against them, they come out looking uglier.

That said, I don't expect them to win the championship.




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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
    Originally posted by EddieBurkett
      Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff
      Anybody else notice that on Pinkston's long pass reception down the sideline (the play imediately before the Eagles 1st TD), that once he got the ball under control, his 2nd foot down was on the sideline.


    Sounds to me like you're the only one who did. Now that you mention it, I wouldn't object to viewing footage. (The play looked fine to me, but I can't say I was looking strongly at it. I did like how not only was McNabb able to dodge at least two tackles, but I enjoyed when they showed Pinkston running around in coverage, then his defenders getting off him when it looked like McNabb might run, only for them to rush back when he threw the ball. Pinkston's possible misstep aside, that was an awesome play.)

You're describing the 2nd TD. I'm talking about a pass to Pinkston down the sideline that set up Duce's run for a TD. I'm not an Eagles of Pack fan, though. My father (who is an Eagles fan) agreed w/ me, though, so it's not like it's a "sour grapes" situation.



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
    Originally posted by King Of Crap
    So he's awesome because he had one good game against a team that did everything they could to hand his team the game?

    He threw for an average of 188.8 yards a game, and his passer rating was 79-point-something.

    Hardly stats that merit getting all of the credit for his team's wins.


The passer rating is overrated. There is to much focus on throwing TD passes. There were a few games this year in which McNabb led the team down the field repeatedly only to have Buckhalter or Westbrook pound it in. So you penalize a QB because his WR caught the ball at the 40, ran it down to the 5, got tackled, and the coach calls a running play which scores a TD? How you can go 0 for 1 and get a rating in the 70's is beyond me.





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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
    Originally posted by evilwaldo
    So you penalize a QB because his WR caught the ball at the 40, ran it down to the 5, got tackled, and the coach calls a running play which scores a TD? How you can go 0 for 1 and get a rating in the 70's is beyond me


With some PASSERS like McNabb, Vick, and others who can run as good as they pass, the rating gets VERY deluted.

There should be a QB rating that takes into account yds per rush, and TDs per rush.

His 100+ yards on the ground were ignored in the PASSER rating...sadly...and that is a HUGE part of their win.

Go here for the full PASSER rating formula:
http://www.nfl.com/news/981202qbrate.html






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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.03
    Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff
    You're describing the 2nd TD. I'm talking about a pass to Pinkston down the sideline that set up Duce's run for a TD.


My bad. Still, show me the tape (I don't specifically recall that play, probably because it wasn't as awesome as the other one), and I'll be inclined to agree with you if I get a look.



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Getting quite tired of people saying, "Oh Green Bay blew the game" and all that. I don't care how many mistakes Green Bay makes, in terms of coaching, or on-field play, the Eagles have to take advantage of it.

Of course McNabb didn't have the sexy passing stats. He's never going to. He isn't Peyton Manning. All he does is get his team to win when he has to, the way he has to. Hey, and maybe he's smiling because, unlike a lot of spolied big-baby pro athletes, he actually has fun doing what he does for a living?

This year, he's had to do those things more often because, due to injuries, the defense isn't what it was (the starting secondary hasn't been together more more than 3-4 games this year, and they've got an entire frickin' d-line on IR, including Hollis Thomas, who was the best run-stuffer on the team, bar none). Bottom line is this -- good teams make plays when they have to. The Eagles still need to respond after that 14-0 hold. They still need to run the best play (and execute it) and convert the 4th & 26, which is difficult no matter what defense Green Bay runs. Instead of saying that Green Bay gave them the game, let's try the fact that, hey -- maybe the Packers weren't all that good precisely because they made these mistakes and coaching decisions in such a big game.

As far as not being a likeable team. I think that's projecting the fans onto the team. For example, I think every team wishes they could have a player with not only the skill, but the class of, for instance, a Troy Vincent, who if he is around after this year, will be around for his leadership and his work in the community as much as for his play.



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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.03
    Originally posted by shockdown
    I think every team wishes they could have a player with not only the skill, but the class of, for instance, a Troy Vincent, who if he is around after this year, will be around for his leadership and his work in the community as much as for his play.


What about Duce "Chrysanthemum" Staley?



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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
Thanks rikidozan for the link. Here is an interesting paragraph, something to remember:

'It is important to remember that the system is used to rate pass-ers, not quarterbacks. Statistics do not reflect leadership, play-calling, and other intangible factors that go into making a successful professional quarterback.'

The media tends to forget this.



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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.67
    Originally posted by evilwaldo
    Thanks rikidozan for the link. Here is an interesting paragraph, something to remember:

    'It is important to remember that the system is used to rate pass-ers, not quarterbacks. Statistics do not reflect leadership, play-calling, and other intangible factors that go into making a successful professional quarterback.'

    The media tends to forget this.


On top of which the QB rating will never accurately be able to reflect just how dandy his TD pass was to Pinkston. That was an absolutely perfect play in a clutch situation that statistics just cant reflect.

Even ignoring that, McNabb's QB rating this year was horribly affected by his early season injuries. He was muddling along as the worst QB in the league, below Kordell freaking Stewart before turning things aroung to get a more than respectable rating.

His rating for the last 9 or 10 games was pretty close to 100 in spite of the Eagles tendancy to run it in near the end zone reducing the number of TD passes he got.

Arguably, that rating would be even higher if he had the receivers that Manning, Culpepper or even Favre has.

The rating DOES include factors not related to the QB such as the talent on the O line, the receivers available, and the style of play adopted by the offensive coordinator. Conversely it does NOT including factors which are related to him, such as scrambling ability, audibling, and ability under pressure.

Quite why anyone would use it as the sole yardstick for a QB's ability is beyond me, but even if you do, the rating McNaqbb achieved this year when he was at least a little bit healthy was darned good.



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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
Well, the sole point of the PASSER rating is to be able to compare today's passers to the passers of yesterday and vice-verse.

No more, no less.




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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.21


    Originally posted by EddieBurkett
    Well, *I* like the Eagles, but I've been indoctrinated by my girlfriend and her family. Besides, I came from the Giants, and I can't say it was hard to switch sides these last few years. (... don't tell my dad


Rippa - can you speak with this young lad? Once you're a Giants fan, you must stay on the bandwagon forever and all time. There is no switching sides. You cannot abandon the team when Kerry Collins or Joe Pisarcik is your quarterback.

Edit: Fixed the quote (missing ']') -Keeper

(edited by Keeper on 13.1.04 1712)



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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.39
    Originally posted by rikidozan
    Well, the sole point of the PASSER rating is to be able to compare today's passers to the passers of yesterday and vice-verse.

    No more, no less.

But it doesn't do that (yesterday vs. today comparisons) well. I know that Jim Zorn was a good QB. But he's rated higher than Bart Starr on this scale. Nope. No way.

Since the rating is a creation of today, it is highly dependent on completion percentage. As today's QBs throw far more dink-and-dunk than yesteryear's did, this skews the rating toward today's players. A truly effective rating would incorporate winning, though not necessarily running. Running can help a QB win, but it isn't NECESSARY for a QB to win.

For debate purposes, here's a list of the top 31 (if I counted right) rated QBs of all time as of the end of 2003 (football.com or something like that). Neither Zorn nor Starr make the list, so I'll have to see if my statement above was correct - pretty sure it was.

Player Rating
------ ------
Kurt Warner * 97.2
Steve Young 96.8
Joe Montana 92.3
Jeff Garcia * 88.3
Peyton Manning * 88.1
Daunte Culpepper * 88.0
Brett Favre * 86.9
Otto Graham 86.6
Dan Marino 86.4
Trent Green * 86.1
Tom Brady * 85.9
Mark Brunnell * 85.2
Rich Gannon * 84.7
Jim Kelly 84.4
Brad Johnson * 84.1
Steve McNair * 84.1
Roger Staubach 83.4
Brian Griese * 83.0
Neil Lomax 82.7
Sonny Jurgensen 82.6
Len Dawson 82.6
Aaron Brooks * 82.1
Ken Anderson 81.9
Bernie Kosar 81.8
Neil O'Donnell * 81.8
Danny White 81.7
Troy Aikman 81.6
Randall Cunningham 81.5
Dave Krieg 81.5
Boomer Esiason 81.1
Warren Moon 80.9


(edited by Sec19Row53 on 13.1.04 1630)


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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
    Originally posted by Sec19Row53
      Originally posted by rikidozan
      Well, the sole point of the PASSER rating is to be able to compare today's passers to the passers of yesterday and vice-verse.

      No more, no less.

    But it doesn't do that (yesterday vs. today comparisons) well.


I was just repeating the NFL party line in the link I provided.




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