I figure this will be a unique topic to start, even if nobody pays much attention - but from watching wrestling for so long, you get to pick up things, like the injured signal, the talking, the blading....Breaking kayfabe here, what are the most annoying little parts of wrestling that annoy you? Mine personally is when the ref is counting, you can see the wrestler being pinned staring straight up at the hand as it comes down - you ALWAYS know when somebody is kicking out. Likewise, when somebody is gonna stay down, he NEVER looks up at the hands. I can't keep myself from looking at their eyes when there's a pin attempt - even though I know it gives it away....
Why can't they just hear the rhythm of the hand on the mat and then kick out accordingly? It's not too hard...
Whenever there's a tag match, and there's a wrestler getting beat on and just unable to make the tag, the victim of said beatdown is always the face. There's rarely, if ever, the heel in peril.
In lucha, when the tecnico enters the ring only to be jumped by the three rudos already in the ring, the remaining tecnicos usually take their sweet time getting to their down partner, always taking time to remove their jackets and capes.
No question here. Irish whips. I understand that they are instrumental in transition, but talk about a major part of any match that kills ANY believability. That, and people who set themselves up for their opponents spots. The Kidman-powerbomb reversal is the most glaring example of this, but a few others come to mind...like sunset-flipping Rikishi or Biiiig, slow, deliberate standing clotheslines on Bubba Ray Dudley
"Words to memorize. Words hypnotize. Words make my mouth exercise. Words all fail the magic prize. Nothing I can say when I'm in your thighs."
In a tag team match, when one person is pinned and his teammate just runs in to break up the pin, and the ref doesn't do anything about it other than yell a little. It's worse when the guy doing the break-up doesn't put any effort into it -- he just idly kicks the guy on top.
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Punching. If it is to be a punch/kick/brawl league, have the wrestlers at least throw punches right. People who have no business throwing punches at all are being made to throw punches almost as often as Austin or the Rock. The women, I hate to say, are among the worst offenders. I love them, but some sequences they do look like a self-defense demonstration than being in the flow of a match. Jacqueline can throw a punch, and that's about it. At least Molly is slapping instead of punching. That is why Brock Lesnar looks real good: he doesn't throw lame punches. In fact he hardly punches at all. Only the Undertaker gets to do body punches? Only Bubba Ray gets to throw jabs? Come on!!
Formulaic booking. Even casual fans are noticing that, and that is not a good sign. Only if the formula is great does that type of booking work. If it makes fans snore, gradually fans won't care about the matches. Rip up the formula book and mix it up. Have a wrestler win on an ordinary move. Have the heels win clean. No, it is not realistic for Molly needing the ropes to beat Stacy Kiebler, or anyone else. And Trish is no Jaguar Yokota, for one needs great skill to pull off a flash pin.
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Anytime more than two wrestlers are involved in a non-tag match ... invariably, at some point, all but two of the wrestlers get knocked out of the wrong and are MIA FOR EVER AND EVER. That kinda bugs me.
Also, any type of bomb, suplex off the top rope when the victim has to step up onto the top turnbuckle himself. Like a guy would ever do that, especially if he was only semi-conscious. More likely he would be dead weight or fighting to stay on the lower buckles.
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From the desk of Swordsman Yen When a wrestler catches a chair thrown at him by his opponent and holds it in front of his face instead of batting it away, ducking, or catching it and taking a swing at his opponent. This of course leads to his opponent kicking the chair into his face for the 1000th+ time.
(edited by Swordsman Yen on 10.11.02 1630) "I don't care what people think. People are stupid." -- Charles Barkley
Cowboys 3-6-0. Startup QB on struggling football team seeking offensive line to add years to my life. Blocking skills preferred.
Spurs 2-1. Shouldn't have lost to Golden State, but still a good start.
One thing I've always hated is when Jeff Hardy runs along the black guard-rail dealie and people have their hands on it. There is always one person who doesn't move their hands and almost gets them crushed.
And doesn't it seem like every Smackdown tag match has a hot tag and moves-o-fire afterwards.
What bothers me is how some "rules" are enforced hypocritically to fit a particular spot in the match. For example, tags that the referee doesn't see. You always see heels switch off without a tag while the ref is over putting a babyface out of the ring and the ref almost always lets it go even though he didn't see the tag. But, when a babyface is struggling to get to the corner, then the heel distracts the ref just before the tag, the ref NEVER allows the tag for the babyfaces because he didn't see it.
I hate the abdominal stretch spot, where the applier of the hold uses the hand on the rope to increase the severity of the hold. That wouldn't make any difference whatsoever. You're using the arm that has no involvement in the physical predicament to do what? Same goes for any submission where the ropes are used, it never makes sense, and then, to make things make even less sense, the ref misses it and sees the shaking rope and it never dawns on him what's happened. I understand why they do it for pins, but can't stand it for submissions.
Who pissed in your cornflakes? Oh, wait. It was me. My apologies.
Originally posted by Swordsman YenWhen a wrestler catches a chair thrown at him by his opponent and holds it in front of his face instead of batting it away, ducking, or catching it and taking a swing at his opponent. This of course leads to his opponent kicking the chair into his face for the 1000th+ time.
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If you throw something unexpectedly at someone's face, the natural reflex is to catch it. The rationale behind the move in this case is that the catcher doesn't have time to figure out what happened before the getting hit with whatever move.
My pet peeve is the whip...bend over...get kicked in the face maneuver.
I've never understood why your average wrestler can kick out of damn near anything that isn't an official Finisher (TM) during a regular match, but in a tag team match, needs to have the pin broken up by his partner after a suplex. I don't mind the interference once in a while, but it happens on every pinfall anymore - faces or heels.
And I hate when the faces beat up on the women. Hate it. Hate it. Hate, hate, hate, hate, hate it. Yes, I know Molly Holly doesn't put out, but that doesn't make it fucking heroic when Bubba Ray Dudley beats the shit out of her.
The only women in wrestling history the men can get away with hitting are Chyna, Nicole Bass and, for some strange reason, Sherri Martel.
(It's even worse when the heel does the exact same thing to Trish Stratus thirty seconds later, and JR has a fucking spasm screaming about how evil they are.)
I also hate any angle where JR and Lawler feel the need to preach for the entire match. Yes, I know you love America and I know that censorship is bad. Please shut the fuck up about it for thirty seconds and try calling the match. Thank you.
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The Walking the Arena Spot is the only one that I really hate.
You know the one where the wrestler in control puts his hand on his opponent and is able to pull him anywhere in the arena?
Yeah, I hate that.
Since everyone else is doing it (ok, not EVERYONE, but...)
Vikings (2-6) - Um...yeah. Way to go Defense? Never mind... Badgers (6-5) - Slipping into mediocrity six weeks in a row. Buffy 7.Uhh Whatever this last one was earns a 7.00000314159 because the begining was terrible, but the meat of the episode was hillarious. But filler. Just like most of Season One...Is this some kind of whacky time warp?
I added my two cent worth before, and I'm getting a chuckle from everybody else's replies while I nod my head in agreement, but...
If we took all of these "annoying" things away "all the time", wouldn't it wreck the occaisional spots that they should be used in?
For example: The breaking up the pinfall in tag matches. I agree, it's overused, but if it were gone entirely it would be a shame. Some great teams, like Eddie & Chavo, use this perfectly and it really adds to the match.
Rather than saying these Pet Peeves should be gone, I'd like to see a lot of them used more effectively/sparingly. Especially in regards to finishers, like someone suggested earlier.
There has to be a certain suspension of belief to watch any pro wrestling. For example, a guy can go head first into an immobile steel post on the ring and be ok, but if he gets hit with a gold belt in the head, he's out like a light.
Nice. Very good recap, I like how you review a live show in a sports reporter style. It makes wrestling sound...legit. Nigel retains yet again and it makes me wonder what Gabe's vision of the successor to Nigel was.