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Courtesy Mark Price (presumably not the old Cleveland Cavalier) at 1wrestling.com

Dark Matches:

(1) Kenjo Suzuki defeated Bobby Rude with a Shining Wizard.

(2) Mortis defeated John Walters with a Sitout Alabama Slam. Cool match, looks like Kanyon's sticking with the Mortis gimmick. The crowd seemed to really be into Mortis.

-Michael Cole & Josh Matthews came out for Velocity commentary.

Velocity:

(1) Orlando Jordan defeated Shannon Moore with some kind of swinging neckbreaker variation. Jordan didn’t get much reaction, but Shannon actually got a good pop and a lot of ‘V1’ hand signals from the crowd.

(2) Spanky & Paul London defeated Rob (Rod?) Begley & Mike Taylor. Pretty good match, the crowd seemed to like their first taste of what London can do, and Spanky got a major pop.

(3) The FBI beat Rey Mysterio, Billy Kidman, & Ultimo Dragon in a 6-man tag. Pretty cool match all around, Ultimo and Rey both hit some killer moves, I hope editing doesn't butcher this one. Ultimo went for the Asai DDT on Nunzio but Nunzio pushed him away right into Palumbo’s superkick. Ultimo jobs again.

-The t-shirt guy shot some Undertaker shirts into the crowd.

-They showed the Desire video package showing the WWWF all the way up to today's WWE.

-Tazz came out and got on the mic, wondering who the new Smackdown GM was. He said both he and Cole applied but got turned down.

Smackdown:

-The video package from the beginning of No Mercy played, with Vince talking about Stephanie. Still pictures of Vince beating up Steph were shown.

-The Smackdown theme played, but no pyro. Vince McMahon came out with Sable and bragged about beating Stephanie at No Mercy, like that's a big accomplishment. He then announced the new Smackdown General Manager, and it is... PAUL F'N HEYMAN! The announcement actually got the biggest pop of the show, but as soon as he started talking, people began booing him. Vince went to the back as Heyman briefly spoke, but Undertaker came out and interrupted him. Heyman said he could have any match he wants, any time, any place, but said that he'd only get it if he could beat Brock Lesnar and Big Show in a handicap match, which is your main event...

-They promote Los Guerreros vs. World's Greatest Tag Team, but that will change a little later.

(1) John Cena & A-Train fought Chris Benoit & Kurt Angle to a No Contest. After a decent match, I think it was A-Train who brought a chair in, but Benoit got it, and accidentally hit Angle. Benoit then cleared the ring, but when Angle got up, he was pissed. The two of them fought, Benoit locked the Crossface on Angle, and referees had to separate them.

-Jamie Noble was shown on a cheap webcam video feed (I guess because he's poor even though he got all that money) and said Nidia's sight hasn't gotten any better. He threatens Tajiri if Nidia doesn't recover.

-World's Greatest Tag Team is shown in the back, Shelton's back from injury. Paul Heyman visits them and at first acts all nice because he put the team together in the first place. Then he says they never called him when he was out, they never visited him when he was injured, etc. Therefore, since he's the new GM, he's taking them out of the tag title match, and replacing them with the Basham Brothers. The Bashams show up and taunt WGTT a little. Heyman says that Haas & Benjamin aren't off the hook though, because he's reassembled an old WWE tag team to take them on.

-They show the tribute video to Stu Hart, which got a big round of applause from the crowd.

(2) Rikishi & Scotty 2 Hotty defeated World's Greatest Tag Team. Decent pop for Scotty's return, he looks to be in good shape. Rikishi looks the same as always. At least it's an addition to the tag roster. Scotty did the Worm, Rikishi did the Stinkface, and at the end of the match Shelton went for a sunset flip on Rikishi, but Rikishi just plopped down on his chest and pinned him.

-Rikishi & Scotty danced, and they showed Vince and Sable dancing along with them up in a private box which was about 2 sections over from me. I kept flipping off Vince but he probably didn't see me. Undertaker comes into the private box and threatens Vince, and calls Sable a slut.

-The t-shirt guy came back and shot Kurt Angle's new shirt into the crowd.

-A Rey Mysterio video package was shown.

-Eddy and Chavo Guerrero were shown backstage, Eddy's still pissed about losing the US title, but Chavo convinces him to focus on the tag titles.

(3) Basham Brothers defeated Los Guerreros to become the new Tag Team Champions. Pretty good match, but the crowd was mostly dead except for spots. The Bashams still received very little reaction until they won the match. Eddy was on the apron, Shaniqua got up and lunged at him, but Eddy kicked her down. While the ref was distracted by Shaniqua after this, Danny hit Eddy (I think) with a black club and got the pinfall. Josh Matthews interviewed the Bashams quickly and they said they'll dominate everyone, or something like that.

-After the match, Eddy sulks, and Chavo yells at him off the mic, and leaves on his own.

(4) Tajiri defeated Zach Gowen in a non-title match. I don't know why this wasn't for the Cruiserweight title, but Tajiri won it anyway. Decent match, though a little short, as is pretty standard for Gowen.

-Afterward, Jimmy Yang and Keiji Sakoda came into the ring wearing black suits and raised Tajiri's arms in victory. Then they hit a pretty nasty sweep/clothesline double team on Gowen. Gowen had to be helped to the back by trainers, but I'm pretty sure it was a work, unless they just stiffed him really hard.

-A Survivor Series promo was shown.

-Brock and Big Show were talking backstage and they were talking about both holding the titles.

-Vince and Sable were shown again, but there was no sound in the arena.

-Bob Holly had a video package. They showed Brock dropping him on his head and said Brock almost ended his career, so Bob's coming back to end Brock's. Someone please inform Bob Holly that the botched powerbomb was his own damn fault.

(5) Undertaker defeated Brock Lesnar & Big Show in a handicap match. I didn't get to see the first finish, but I think Taker pinned Show. Paul Heyman then came out and said he made a mistake and forgot to mention this was 2 out of 3 falls. He sat in a chair near the entrance and watched the match. The second fall started, and Taker fought them both outside the ring. He got back in and Brock & Show were counted out, but Heyman said no countouts either. Show then clocked Taker with a chair, and the ref called for the bell, until Heyman said no DQ either. Show attacked Taker on the outside near his bike, but Taker got his chain while he was down and apparently nobody noticed. He got tossed back into the ring and then smacked both Brock and Show with the chain around his fist, and got the second pinfall.

I'm not sure how much of this will be televised, but after the match, Brock attacked Taker, and gave him an F5 into the ringpost, then left. Vince got on the mic from the box and started taunting Undertaker while he was down. Taker slowly stumbled to the back while Vince got in his face and wanted to know what the match was. Undertaker said he wanted a match at Survivor Series, and it'll be a Buried Alive match. Vince said if that's what he wants, then he's got Brock at Survivor Series. Taker then said his opponent isn't going to be Brock, it'll be Vince. Vince looked shocked and Taker laughed at him as he made his way to the back.

After the show I got to meet Earl Hebner. Really nice guy. I asked if I could get a picture of him, and he offered to take one with me.

Biggest Pops:
1) Heyman announced as new GM
2) Kurt Angle 3
) Undertaker
4) Rey Mysterio
5) Scotty 2 Hotty's return

Biggest Heat:
1) Vince
2) Paul Heyman
3) Brock & Show
4) Bashams winning the tag titles
5) Yang/Sakoda beating up Gowen








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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.00
Thanks for the spoilers. I've been looking forward to them all day. Some crazy stuff really went on there. geez.
But I think i'll wait till I see the actual show before forming any opinions on the matches/angles.



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.96
Actually looks like a pair of damned good shows on paper. Heyman = Ratings.



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.40
I can't remember the last time that I have been this eager to seeing Smackdown after reading that spoiler.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.91
Looks like a good show except...

1) The BASHAMS???

and

2) Wow, that main event's gonna make Brock and Show look like such pussies. How many shots did they have to get the best of Taker and STILL fall short? Seriously!

Those minor complaints aside, I look forward to the show and the return of Paul Heyman. Tajiri kicking the crap out of Zach Gowen looks like it'll be fun and it'll be nice to see Scotty and Rikishi come back.




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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.03
Chris Benoit and Angle in the same ring. Working together and fighting in the same night. I will never tire of this. Somehow I don't think those two will either.



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
I hope this means Benoit vs. Angle for the title shot next week. Please?
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.90
The hagakure is not quite a shining wizard...

sounds like a good velocity.

as long as he doesn't overdo it, Paul is a great GM choice.

So basically they don't have anything better to do, Benoit and Angle get to beat on each other some more...

WGTT are now jobbing to the comeback comedy team?!?!?!?!

Well, I guess they needed new tag champs. feuding with Chavo /= elevation for Eddie.

I already love the new stable.

Mr. cranky is back apparently. I don't think he'll be sandbagging powerbombs anymore though.

Hey, the wwe champ retained and a new US champ, let's let them both get punked in an overbooked match to set old a rehashed gimmick match vs. a McMahon for Survivor Series!


(edited by darkdragoon on 22.10.03 0301)
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.35
Just to write it down, see if anyone agrees that this is where the Taker stuff is going.

Okay, SurSer is a mixed brand PPV, with Vince vs Taker and Shane vs Kane. Kane murders Shane to hopefully end that feud. In the later match, Kane interferes and helps Vince bury his brother. Taker suffers injuries, only to be 'resurrected' for that often rumoured 'last run as The Deadman', leading to a WMXX match.

Anyone else see them going this route?



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.90
yes, as it was rumored some time ago it would happen, including the match with Vince...
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    2) Rikishi & Scotty 2 Hotty defeated World's Greatest Tag Team. Decent pop for Scotty's return, he looks to be in good shape. Rikishi looks the same as always. At least it's an addition to the tag roster. Scotty did the Worm, Rikishi did the Stinkface, and at the end of the match Shelton went for a sunset flip on Rikishi, but Rikishi just plopped down on his chest and pinned him.

This is a fucking joke. One of the best tag teams in wrestling today have to job to Rikishi & Scotty? What's the point? I guess Heyman is playing the heel GM, so why is he screwing over a heel tag team? Rikishi can take his stinkface and get the hell off my TV.


    -Bob Holly had a video package. They showed Brock dropping him on his head and said Brock almost ended his career, so Bob's coming back to end Brock's. Someone please inform Bob Holly that the botched powerbomb was his own damn fault

As is this, unless Brock just destroys him. Seriously, Brock/Bob Holly? Fuck that.

Except for these 2 abominations, everything else looks good.

EDIT: oh yeah, Super-Taker is getting annoying. Glad to see the champ & the biggest guy on the roster (who's also the US Title holder) have to job to Marky-Mark to he looks good going into a feud w/ Vince.

(edited by Spaceman Spiff on 22.10.03 0844)


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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.31

Sounds like a pretty solid show ...

Maybe Haas and Benjamin are getting ready for a face run/feud with the Bashams.

Angle & Benoit ... there is a God ... maybe a #1 contenders match at Survivor Series ... *wiping drool away*

Looks like the tag division is getting better ... Bashams, APA, Haas & Benjamin, Scotty & Rikishi, Los Guerreros (for now)

Finally, where the fuck is Matt Hardy? ...



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1) I haven't seen any descritption of how Heyman looks. He supposedly was using his time off to get in shape. Not Luger shape, mind you.

2) Angle/Benoit again. Fine. With. Me. I can watch these guys beat each other up any day. And I agree with Michrome.

3) Scotty 2 Hotty used to be a pretty good cruiserweight and had some great matches against Brian Christopher. He would be a good additon to that division again, especially against Spanky or London. And now he's just the guy who does the Worm. Sad. Rikishi is the kind of guy you put against Albert or Big Show to give the crowd a spectacle, but he makes a solid tag partner. As long as he isn't wasting time in a comedy title feud, I'm OK with the big guy. I still don't buy his IC belt win over Benoit though.

4) It isn't so much the Bashams getting a push as it is the Shaniqua angle. She's the new Chyna, guys.

6) Eddy/Chavo had a killer WCW feud which culminated in "Eddy Guerrero is my favorite wrestler" and Pepe and the hair match finale where Chavo went muy loco. This could (lie and cheat and) steal the show.

5) This week's Tajiri match is the third straight free TV non-title bout for him. If he's gonna win anyway, why not put the belt on the line and boost his reign?

6) Bob Holly vs. Brock. OK. He had good matches against Angle (the broken arm bout) and Benoit. He's big. He wrestles stiff. He's got the dropkick. He weighs 500 pounds. What's not to like?

7) Show/Brock ain't the brightest bulbs in the garden so I can see the crafty veteran beating them (with rule change help from Paul).

On paper, this looks like a great SD.






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    6) Bob Holly vs. Brock. OK. He had good matches against Angle (the broken arm bout) and Benoit. He's big. He wrestles stiff. He's got the dropkick. He weighs 500 pounds. What's not to like?

That he's a low-card guy coming back from a long absence and getting a shot at the champ, leap-frogging more deserving guys?

I'd laugh my ass off if he tries to rough up Brock again. My guess is that Holly learned his lesson already.



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The power of Heyman returns. Not sure if he actually wrote or planned any of that show, but it sounds interesting nonetheless. I'll be watching.



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I'm all for an Eddie/Chavo feud, just as long as the Acme Eddie Trap gets used (with BURRITO!)



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.33
Bob Holly gets a video package trumpeting his return while Booker T did not? Has there been a groundswell of 'We Miss Bob Holly' movements occurring that have gone unnoticed?
Its October, time yet again for Angle and Benoit to go from wacky tag partners to beating each other up for our pleasure again. And, as a special bonus, this means Benoit gets to go a week without working with Albert.
Hopefully during the Eddy/Chavo feud they resurrect the old Guerrero family theme music.



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We’ve already seen Brock F5 one 500 lb. man. But can he do it to another?

Seriously, what the hell are they thinking here? Hardcore Holly has never been anything above a midcarder. Is there anyone out there who thinks he can come back and beat Brock to win the Smackdown title? He just damn well better bust his ass and try to make his opponent look good this time.

I seriously don’t understand the point of this match. Both Benoit and Eddie are far more ready for the main event than Bob Holly, and fans would easily accept them. They’ve both reached points where they are free to pursue a singles agenda with Brock. They’re both established draws. Why is Hardcore Holly getting this shot from out of nowhere on the WWE’s fourth-biggest PPV of the year? Granted, they did it with Cena, but Cena was already starting to gel with his gimmick and get the fans to react to him.

As for the other stuff – TWGTT losing their title shot? Are they trying to turn them face here by setting them against Heyman, or is Heyman trying to be a tweener GM like Bischoff and Steph were when they started?

Eddie is now clear of any sort of singles or tag team agenda.

Angle vs. Benoit, Round... I’ve lost count. But for the first time, there’s no point to it. Angle could have easily kept his feud with Cena going for another month, while Benoit was perfectly positioned to go after Brock’s title.
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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.93
    Originally posted by Big Bad
    Someone please inform Bob Holly that the botched powerbomb was his own damn fault.


I must have missed it? When did Brock Lesnar and/or Bob Holly go on record to state that Holly was the one that caused the botched powerbomb?

But obviously, it must have been Holly's fault. That's why Brock hasn't used the move since that match. Sort of like how it was Holly's fault for not lying exactly where Kurt Angle wanted to land with the Moonsault.
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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.02
    Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff
    That he's a low-card guy coming back from a long absence and getting a shot at the champ, leap-frogging more deserving guys?


Just like Mark Henry going after Goldberg.

I didn't say, "WHOOPIE! Hollymania's running wild!" I just said, "OK." I'm not picking Holly to win the belt, but he's a bruiser. His feud with Brock, even short, would at least be more novel than Taker/Brock or Angle/Brock. He'll come in, exchange matches, lose the deciding bout and go back to smackin' around Rikishi and Albert.

[EDIT: And if anyone wonders why Holly *appears* to be getting a Brock title feud before Benoit or Eddy, I refer them to Modern WWE Push Rule #1: You must be this tall to wear the big belt. Holly's of that size that Vince likes to spotlight.]

(edited by Matt Tracker on 22.10.03 0927)


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