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"WWE Smackdown/Velocity Tapings from US Bank Arena in Cincinnati.

Crowd was lively for most of the night, save one segment (guess now who was involved!). I'd say the Arena was about 70% full, if that. I hope I remember everything, and have the right order.

Dark Matches:
World's Greatest Tag Team beat Matt Cappotelli and John Hennigan, when Benjamin pinned Hennigan after a a double team power bomb/springboard clothesline. The Tough Enough III team looked green, but Matt was clearly more polished. His dropkicks weren't what they need to be though. Hennigan hit his standing shooting star, which got a nice pop. Crowd didn't seem to recognize the TEIII guys.

Sean O'Haire and Matt Morgan beat Mike "Don't call me Nova" Bucci & Carly Colon. Morgan has the look, that's for sure. He's also got charisma and that "it" factor. Another year or two and he will be a major force. Colon took the heat for the match and made a hot tag to Bucci, who ended up getting pinned with O'Haire's widowmaker. Bucci was legit knocked silly (looked like a concussion, although he may have just had the wind knocked out of him). He was attended to by several officials and trainers (yes they threw up the "X" sign, so it was legit). Eventually he left under his own power. It should be noted that virtually no one recognized him as the former Nova, as his look has completely changed.

Velocity:
APA beat Nunzio & Chuck Palumbo. This was basically a handicap match as Palumbo was taken out before the bout. APA toyed with Nunzio before Bradshaw pinned him after a Clothesline from Hell. After the match, Bradshaw warned the Bashems to watch their backs (he made mention of an altercation during a card game in the back, dunno if this was a pre-tape for tonight that just didn't air or if he was referring to an incident from weeks ago).

A-Train beat Orlando Jordan. Same match these two have had about 20 times now. A-Train got the win with the Derailer.

Ultimo Dragon beat Joey Matthews. Best match of the show up until this point. Dragon got a huge reaction coming out. Matthews got in a solid amount of offense, but Dragon ended up picking up the win with the Asai reverse flip over neckbreaker thingy or whatever it's called.

Matt Hardy (w/Shannon Moore) beat Funaki. Not a bad match here either. Hardy was over huge. He picked up the win with the Twist of Fate.

SMACKDOWN Taping

The show opened with a "preview" of a Stephanie McMahon interview that would be shown in its entirety (and I do mean ENTIRETY) later in the show.

The show opened with John Cena's music hitting, and Kurt Angle coming to the ring dressed as Cena (complete with homeboy visor and Jacksonville Jaguars jersey). Angle "rapped" about how he (calling himself Cena) was so tough. This was entertaining and I won't spoil all the good lines he had. Then Kurt Angle's music hit, and a midget dressed as Angle came out. Some funny back and forth between the two took place. The midget scared off "Cena" eventually, then "Cena" tried to attack him, but was taken down. The midget then put "Cena" in the ankle lock, which made him tap out immediately. This brought out the real John Cena, and he and Angle exchanged words briefly before the midget Angle gave Cena a low blow. Some more back and forth, and finally officials separated the two men.

Chris Benoit beat Doug Bashem by submission. Decent enough match. Benoit was over pretty strongly. At one point, the Bashems pulled the switch as Benoit went for a headbutt, and he crashed, allowing Danny to get a good near fall. Benoit came back on Danny though, and Doug ran in, only to get taken down in a crossface. He submitted. A-Train then hit the ring and attacked Benoit, leading to a pull apart.

After you watch this match Thursday night, might I suggest running a few errands, perhaps doing some laundry, or maybe taking a nap. The next segment was beyond atrocious.

Stephanie McMahon appeared on the big screen doing a sit down interview with Michael Cole from "earlier today." Stephanie informed us that she was "banned from the building" tonight by her father. Too bad he didn't ban her from TV period. Honestly, this PRE-TAPED interview went a solid 20 minutes and had the crowd booing it unmercifully after about 5. Just awful stuff. Stephanie cried (literally) over what her father has done to her, then said she hated him, and later said she loved him, then talked about how she would never forgive him and wouldn't let him walk her down the aisle should she ever get married "again," would never allow him to see any future grandkids, etc. Just awful stuff that went on WAY WAY WAY too long.

Backstage, Jamie Noble and Nidia were talking about Vince. Tajiri was hiding in the background. Noble said he thinks the WWE will be a better place is Vince is forced to quit. Tajiri runs and tells Vince this, who quickly signs a match between Tajiri and Noble.

In a non-title match, WWE Cruiserweight Champion Tajiri and Jamie Noble went to a no contest. Decent little match, with Tajiri working on Nobles leg for most of the bout. The finish came with Tajiri going to use the title belt on Noble, but Nidia ran in the ring and tried to take it from him. They had a tug of war before Tajiri blew the green mist in her face. Noble ran out of the ring to check on Nidia, who was rolling around on the floor. Tajiri just laughed, before leaving the ring.

Back from commercial, trainers were attending to Nidia. Noble was furious and ended up going back to the ring. He called out Tajiri, saying if Nidia doesn't recover, Noble will make Tajiri pay. Tajiri never came out, so Noble headed to the back to get him. Unfortunately for him, he ran into Brock Lesnar just as he was about to walk through the curtain. Lesnar tossed Noble all around the entrance way, before tossing him into the ringpost and giving him an F5 on the floor. Mr. McMahon music then hit, and he headed to the ring with Sable for an interview segment. Vince gave another one of those great interviews that made me really want to see him get his; then I remembered who he was facing at the PPV and it killed it. The segment ended with Sable and Vince playing tonsil hockey.

WWE US Champion Eddy Guerrero defeated Rhyno. This was the longest match of the night, going through a commercial break. Pretty good action too. Some nice spots from both men, as they really seem to work well together. Guerrero grabbed the timekeepers hammer late in the match, then tossed it to Rhyno while the ref was distracted. Eddy played dead and the ref caught Rhyno with the hammer. As taking it away, Guerrero nailed Rhyno with the US title behind the refs back and got the pin. Eddy was leaving in his lowrider truck, when the Big Show came out and attacked him. Show tossed Guerrero around and worked him over with a stick. Show then smashed the truck, breaking the windows, lights, and putting a nice dent in the side. Show then picked up Eddy (who was bleeding badly from the back thanks to broken glass) and powerbombed him on the hood of the truck. Then, Show pulled Eddy on top of the truck and gave him a chokeslam on the roof. This got over big time with the live crowd, and Guerrero being so bloody really added to the angle. Eddy made his way out during the commercial break, but his back looked like hamburger.

It was announced at this point that there would be a special Brock Lesnar vs. Undertaker match for our eyes only.

Rey Mysterio pinned Johnny Stamboli (w/Nunzio & Chuck Palumbo). Typical big man little man match. Stamboli did his power moves and Mysterio used his quickness. Stamboli actually blocked a 619 and tried to turn it into a slam, but Mysterio reversed out of it into a huracanrana and picked up the win.

Undertaker did an interview backstage, talking to Michael Cole and Tazz. 'Taker talked about being in the best shape of his life, yadda yadda. He explained the rules of the Biker Chain match, saying the chain would be suspended "somehow" above the ring and the first man to get it could use it. Brock attacked 'Taker during the interview, and wrapped the chain around his throat. He then drug him off, as the show went to commercial.

Back from commercial, Brock was dragging 'Taker down to the ring. Taker had a few hope spots, but was basically choked out with the chain by Brock. Brock even hung Taker on the ring post with the chain. Of course, Taker eventually made the comeback and gave Brock a big chokeslam, which I believe was at the end of the TV show."

The Steph interview sounds terrible and if the crowd were that harsh towards they should seriously consider cutting it down, but aside from that it sounds like a pretty good show. The Guerrero/Big Show segment was exactly the angle needed to wash away the bad taste left by the previous two weeks, and I can't think of a better way they could've booked it. Likewise, letting Lesnar get some offence in on Taker-but still being the last man down before the big show-bodes well for Sunday. And should Tajiri retain against Mysterio this Sunday, he's got a heated, ready-made feud with Noble awaiting.





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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.00
Shouldn't the heel be pulling the whole 'midget impersonates my opponent' shtick? Anyway, seems an OK show if they edit the Stephanie interview. I've got to the point where I change the channel when she comes on. Oh, and the biker chain match gimmick sounds really uninteresting from that description. I was hoping for a regular chain match.

I assume that Spanky and Paul London were selling the beating that Brock gave them last week. I wonder where that's going though, especially when the same thing happened to Jamie Noble this week. A stable consisting of Spanky, London and Noble would be awesome.


    Ultimo Dragon beat Joey Matthews. Best match of the show up until this point. Dragon got a huge reaction coming out.


Vince should stop being a jackass and put Ultimo on Smackdown if he's getting a huge reaction every night. I'm sure Ultimo is getting accustomed to the WWE cruiserweight style by now.
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.09
Sigh.

I've given up on the whole thing. I've taped both shows the past couple of weeks but haven't bothered actually watching more than twenty minutes of any of them.

SD! hasn't been fun since Big Show was in the main event.



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.14
    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    The Steph interview sounds terrible and if the crowd were that harsh towards they should seriously consider cutting it down


The sad thing is, we all know they won't. That's fine. Gives me time to flip to (hopefully) Game 7 of the ALCS.

Now THIS is how you hype Show/Eddie! Have Show mercilessly beat the living tar out of Eddie and build him up as a huge underdog who will need to exercise all his CHEATING POWERS~! to retain his title.

MIDGETS = RATINGS!!! 'Nuff said.

I fail to see the point in letting Brock completely maul cruiserweights like Noble, Spanky, and Paul "Dead in the Water" London and then proceeding to let Undertaker come out with the upper hand. I know Brock will more than likely retain at the PPV, but shouldn't we build some INTRIGUE by having the face challenger in peril?




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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.21
    Originally posted by TheLurkingHorror
    I'm sure Ultimo is getting accustomed to the WWE cruiserweight style by now.


You mean constant jobbing to hosses?


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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.00
    Originally posted by Tribal Prophet
      Originally posted by TheLurkingHorror
      I'm sure Ultimo is getting accustomed to the WWE cruiserweight style by now.


    You mean constant jobbing to hosses?


    Tribal Prophet


LOL! Actually, he's got a pretty good win-loss record, and hasn't wrestled many hosses yet, if any.
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.00
    Originally posted by It's False


True, but Noble, Spanky, and Paul are not legends who apparently always need to be booked strong because it's part of their character either. Even now the nefarious chain is being reminded of the awesomeness of MUGATAKER.

That and the cruisers have always taken psycho bumps for Brock.
dMr
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.73
    Originally posted by It's False
    I fail to see the point in letting Brock completely maul cruiserweights like Noble, Spanky, and Paul "Dead in the Water" London and then proceeding to let Undertaker come out with the upper hand. I know Brock will more than likely retain at the PPV, but shouldn't we build some INTRIGUE by having the face challenger in peril?


But Brock's gimmick right now is that he's a monstrous bully who picks on defenseless little cruiserweights and beats the living shit out of them. From Spanky to Zach, he finds someone smaller than them and rips them apart in an effort to impress Vince.

It would be absolutely ridiculous looking at the size of Brock, for most fans to think of him struggling to dominate those guys. The result is not that the cruiserweights are greatly devalued because in most fans eyes they never stood a chance anyway. The result is that the fans hate Brock and want to see the bully get his comeuppance. Cue Taker.

Now while most people could imagine Brock having at least a degree of difficulty overcoming Taker, Brock pretty much proved himself to be better by beating Taker in his signature HIAC match the last time the 2 did meet. Thus they have to make Taker look like he stands a chance by getting the better of Brock on occassion. I really don't see the problem here.



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.63
    Originally posted by dMr
    It would be absolutely ridiculous looking at the size of Brock, for most fans to think of him struggling to dominate those guys.


I'd like to hope that most people can see the classic fast little guy vs. strong big guy matchup. The problem is, the fast little guy never wins. Every once in a while a guy like Noble or Mysterio or Nunzio should beat a guy like Palumbo or A-Train or even Big Show using their quickness. It won't hurt the big guys as much as it will help the little guys. Everyone looks better.

EDIT: I am getting really sick of botching quotes.

(edited by gugs on 15.10.03 0800)


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Every episode has the potential to be the best one ever, and I'll be damned if I'm going to miss it after sitting through this shit.
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.73
    Originally posted by gugs
      Originally posted by dMr
      It would be absolutely ridiculous looking at the size of Brock, for most fans to think of him struggling to dominate those guys.


    I'd like to hope that most people can see the classic fast little guy vs. strong big guy matchup. The problem is, the fast little guy never wins. Every once in a while a guy like Noble or Mysterio or Nunzio should beat a guy like Palumbo or A-Train or even Big Show using their quickness.


But we're not talking A-Train and Palumbo though. We're talking one of the biggest hardest looking guys in the WWE. A guy who furthermore has a damned impressive background in amateur wrestling. And right now he's playing the part of a remorseless bully.

The little guy has been given no chance against him because he has no chance. I'm sorry but if I saw Brock in trouble against Spanky I'd laugh my ass off.

And if you'll notice, they've kept Brock away from the guys currently at the top of the cruiserweight pile (Rey, Taijiri). When he has gone against the better cruisers in Rey and Mattitude, the match certainly wasn't squashtastic.

Maybe I should have phrased it better in my first post. There IS value in the little guy/big guy match up. Just not when you're talking about the tippy toppy big guy going against fair to middling little guys.




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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.21
As much as I hate to say it, if they ever did have a small guy beat Brock (by hook or by crook or by sewage truck), it ought to be Zach, who then rides off into the sunset never to be seen again.




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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    As much as I hate to say it, if they ever did have a small guy beat Brock (by hook or by crook or by sewage truck), it ought to be Zach, who then rides off into the sunset never to be seen again.

And the reason for that would be...?

Looks like a decent SD, save for the Steph segment.

Knoble & FBI on SD = good times. Most, if not all, of the matches look to be good.



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Oh why, oh why, OH WHY do they feel the need to torture us with a twenty minute interview from Stephanie McMahon? Oh yeah, because Titan Towers thinks that McMahons = Ratings! Well, no offence to the brainiac who created that garbage, but I'll certainly be avoiding that part like the plague.

If the WWE had any sense, they'd put one of those dark matches in that time space and edit the interview to a bare minimum. I'm anxious to see what TMFKA Nova can offer, or even the return of The World's Greatest Tag Team...not a sob fest from Steph.

And another chance to see Vince and Sable french each other? I don't think I want to ever...and I mean EVER see that agayne.

After reading that, I think I'll stick to Velocity, which I think has become superior to Smackdown and Raw in terms of wresting quality.

One last question (sorry for being long winded, folks), will Velocity be on Saturday or Sunday, seeing as though Smackdown has their next PPV this weekend? WIll they take both shows? Or will Ultimo's only win this month be seen anywhere but here?



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.21
    Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff
      Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      As much as I hate to say it, if they ever did have a small guy beat Brock (by hook or by crook or by sewage truck), it ought to be Zach, who then rides off into the sunset never to be seen again.

    And the reason for that would be...?


To close the Brock/Zach bullying storyline. To cap Zach's WWE career. To finally give a cruiserweight a win over the big guys.

Although, having written such, that's exactly what we want Sunday when Eddy beats Big Show.

Don't misunderstand, I don't like Zach as a wrestler. But this way, you give his presence and victory in the ring a valid rationale instead of just a desperate ploy for ratings. And then, most importantly, he goes away.




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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff
        Originally posted by Matt Tracker
        As much as I hate to say it, if they ever did have a small guy beat Brock (by hook or by crook or by sewage truck), it ought to be Zach, who then rides off into the sunset never to be seen again.

      And the reason for that would be...?


    To close the Brock/Zach bullying storyline. To cap Zach's WWE career. To finally give a cruiserweight a win over the big guys.

    Although, having written such, that's exactly what we want Sunday when Eddy beats Big Show.

    Don't misunderstand, I don't like Zach as a wrestler. But this way, you give his presence and victory in the ring a valid rationale instead of just a desperate ploy for ratings. And then, most importantly, he goes away.

Again, what's the point? You're using one of your top guys to put over a 1-legged sideshow act who will never be seen again. Nobody benefits except Zach, and he's leaving. If you want to show that a cruiser can beat a big guy, you do it w/ a guy who is going to be around and/or be given a push, not a guy leaving the company.

It'll never happen, so there's really no point in arguing it. It just seems pointless to put over a guy leaving the company, no matter who or what the situation is.



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Have Haas and Benjamin set a record for going from Champions to Dark Match the quickest?
Hopefully this will be the last week of Vince's daughter forever (which has equalled 1 month the last 2 times its happened).
Let me see if I understand the stips for the World Title match that is supposedly the main event at the PPV (of course, according to the marketing/promotion, When McMahon's Collide is the main event): Its a Yap-i-pi chain worn by Judy Bagwell on a pole match. Shouldn't they have learned from WCW that when the company doesn't understand what the stipulations of a match are, the fans won't bother wasting there time figuring out the stips or watching the match.



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.12
Last time Velocity was shown on Saturday and Smackdown took over Heat for the week.

I expect the same to happen this time.
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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.50

Haas & Benjamin in a dark match? That is just horrible ... look like I'll miss my 4th Smackdown in a row ...




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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95
"Stephanie cried (literally) over what her father has done to her..."

And, really, does she have the emotional range to figuratively start crying?




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Again, what's the point? You're using one of your top guys to put over a 1-legged sideshow act who will never be seen again. Nobody benefits except Zach, and he's leaving. If you want to show that a cruiser can beat a big guy, you do it w/ a guy who is going to be around and/or be given a push, not a guy leaving the company.




So your saying that no wrestler should ever be allowed to leave the WWE on a high note ?



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Can't argue that one. Except it does spark the debate again of, is this the WWE Hall of Fame, or the HOF for wrestling in general. Much like Gagne's induction a few years ago.
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