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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.08
So one could surmise that Kane is the next person to squash Rey Mysterio on the May 19th edition of Smackdown?

Poor Rey.
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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.14
This is rediculous.

I know I should actually be looking at the good points, like the fact that Rey actually won the Rumble from #2 by elinimating HHH and Orton (and broke the longest time record), and then actually went on to win the World Title at WM. That Rey actually has a World Title run, and it's amazing (and very deserving) that he has even got that far, but this is just depressing (for a wrestling show).

Are the ratings that bad? Is there really a tangible reason Rey is being booked like this?

If there is one up-side (and if the rumors are even true), it's that Rey's buddy RVD may actually be getting the title from JBL at the ECW PPV. But, still, they really should be giving Rey a chance to shine.
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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.01
At least Rey scored two clean wins over Orton to start his run. But this? Ugh. They couldn't even give him the win via Takerference?
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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.25
God bless the men of 2nd Bn, 127th Inf, 32d "Red Arrow" Brigade, WI Army Nat'l Guard...good luck, and come home soon.

    Originally posted by Mayhem
      Originally posted by Matt Tracker
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        Considering the crack-induced booking here, I think the "Wellness Program" should extend to the front office.


      Just sets the stage for that new savior of the brand: Kennedy.


    Shouldn't he be back by now?


Nope, not until June.

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    I give it 6 months until he's the biggest cheeseball face this side of Randy Orton.


Hell, if he brings back his ACW-era catchphrases like "5 across the eyes" and "ballchez," maybe! (Ya kinda had to be there.) :-)




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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.55
Rey has been past his prime for sometime now and he has never been a good story teller in the ring.

He drew a little bit of money before his title run, but he can't talk or wrestle well enough to carry a brand. I dont think many fans bought him as the champ and his reign will be seen as one of the low points between the last wrestling boom and the next one, much the same way the Mabel mega-push is viewed today.

I have two Rey matches from the mid 1990s on tape, but even those were less of a wrestling contest and more of a wrestling exhibition.



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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.48
    Originally posted by canis
    Rey has been past his prime for sometime now


Past his prime as an athlete due to injuries, but he's in his prime as a worker in terms of psychology and playing a great babyface.


    his reign will be seen as one of the low points between the last wrestling boom and the next one, much the same way the Mabel mega-push is viewed today.


Yeah -- low point in that it's been some of the worst booking of a top star in wrestling history. Through no fault of his, other than agreeing to go along with it. From the Eddie stuff before he won the belt to his astounding portrayal afterwards.

    Originally posted by Skloklakazoid
    If there is one up-side (and if the rumors are even true), it's that Rey's buddy RVD may actually be getting the title from JBL at the ECW PPV


Cena/RVD staredown on Monday was probably the clincher that that'll be the match.
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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.15
    Originally posted by Duo_Shinigami_1083
    MNM came out and bragged about laying out London & Kendrick last week.Jillian Hall came out and challenged Melina to a fight.London and Kendrick came through the crowd and it ended with all 3 members of MNM in their underwear.


Wouldn't be shocked if the writers team Jillian up with Paul and Brian so they can call them PB&J (especially knowing that Kendrick has the "sliced bread" for a finishing move).



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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.44
    Originally posted by Kevintripod
      Originally posted by Duo_Shinigami_1083
      MNM came out and bragged about laying out London & Kendrick last week.Jillian Hall came out and challenged Melina to a fight.London and Kendrick came through the crowd and it ended with all 3 members of MNM in their underwear.


    Wouldn't be shocked if the writers team Jillian up with Paul and Brian so they can call them PB&J (especially knowing that Kendrick has the "sliced bread" for a finishing move).

That's what was suggested by the guy who did the spoiler writeup for the Torch.

And Rey getting squashed by Khali: There are just so many adjectives to describe this, I don't know where to begin. It's just so unnecessary, especially considering Khali probably won't be around past the summer. But hey, he's big!



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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.53
Once again, I am amazed that people will complain about somebody who is basically a midget, getting beat by a 7 footer.


As far as Rey's 'psychology' in the ring, how hard is it to get beat up for ten minutes and then make a miraculous comeback and hit some splashes, dives and the 619? Pretty formulatic to me. It's the same match he's had since coming to the WWE.

The only entertaining matches he has really had is against Kurt Angle. But then again, EVERYBODY has a good match with Kurt.
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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
So, you have no problem with THE CHAMPION being squashed by some doof who won't be in the company longer than a year (if that)? How about not putting him in there w/ Khali in the 1st place? Not only are you hurting Rey, but also the belt *AND* JBL, since he'll be beating a guy who was made to constantly look like a jobber.


    The only entertaining matches he has really had is against Kurt Angle.

Now you're just being ridiculous.



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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00

    Once again, I am amazed that people will complain about somebody who is basically a midget, getting beat by a 7 footer.


I'm certain you're missing the point, I'm just uncertain if you're doing it on purpose to be annoying, or if it just works out that way.

Part of the reason people are complaining is it's a classic wrestling example of a lesser talented guy beating a more talented one, just because the lesser guy is the flavor of the month. People will complain about that till the end of time.

But for the bigger point people are trying to make, and you've cleverly managed to side step around because you're either oblivious or have some ax to grind about smaller wrestlers - Let's go alllllll the way back to Deputy Marshall's post.


    Putting him in the ring with a guy that big in the first place is a bad idea


That's it, that's the problem. It's not that it physically makes sense for Rey to beat Khali, or Henry last week, and they're not doing it - it's that those matches shouldn't have happened in the first place, and they're not going anywhere. Rey, the first time world champion (and test case that'll be used forever for guys of his particular minority), is being used to being jobbed out to put over guys for no particular reason, and instead of getting big revenge at the end, it looks like he'll lose the title and have a legacy of one of the worst championship reigns of all time. That's incredibly unfair to a man who deserves better, and the minority he represents doesn't even factor into it.

Even if he wins - is he going to do future programs with Mark Henry and Great Khali? Would they be any better than this program with JBL? Rey and the title are just being whored out here, and because it's the types of guys they push hard for a short time and then rapidly give up on, it's not going to mean much for them either.


    As far as Rey's 'psychology' in the ring, how hard is it to get beat up for ten minutes and then make a miraculous comeback and hit some splashes, dives and the 619?


I'd like to see the Great Khali do it.

Let me tell you, I watch too much lucha. And all the high flying midcarders down there, they all see Rey and they all want to be Rey, and their sorry attempts 619s have convinced me that Rey's awesome at a move that's far more difficult than it looks.

Moreover, if all you think of wrestling is what moves you can do, I hope you one day realize what you're missing out on. What has always separated Rey from others similar guys isn't just his look, but knowing how to do moves right every time, when you should do the moves, why should do the moves, and when you should skip the moves and do something else. Psychology is not what moves you do, it's what you do with your moves.

As for what would really happen in a Legit Shoot Fight, it is important to remember that point of pro wrestling is not to make it real, but to make it entertaining. (But anyone trained in Mexico is likely far more skilled at submission wrestling the people outside of Mexico realize, so maybe someone needs to mail Meltzer and ask!!!)



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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.14
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    Rey, the first time world champion (and test case that'll be used forever for guys of his particular minority)
Test case? Eddie was Mexican, too.



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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.83
    Originally posted by Destrucity
      Originally posted by thecubsfan
      Rey, the first time world champion (and test case that'll be used forever for guys of his particular minority)
    Test case? Eddie was Mexican, too.


Maybe he meant minor-ity, meaning a guy that small.



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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.86
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      Originally posted by Destrucity
        Originally posted by thecubsfan
        Rey, the first time world champion (and test case that'll be used forever for guys of his particular minority)
      Test case? Eddie was Mexican, too.


    Maybe he meant minor-ity, meaning a guy that small.
That sounds more like stupid-ity.



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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.17
    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    The only entertaining matches he has really had is against Kurt Angle. But then again, EVERYBODY has a good match with Kurt.


Have you even WATCHED any of Rey's matches over the past year? Seriously.



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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.01
Eh, can't we wait and see how this turns out on tv before we complain?

(edited by VanillaSky on 11.5.06 1538)


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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.53
I wasnt trying to be ignorant of anything. My point is, when you put the belt on a guy who is MAYBE 5 foot 6 inches, you have got to at least EXPECT that somebody much larger would be able to sqaush him. Suspending belief only goes so far.

The guy wont be around in a year, so the actual matchup shouldnt make any logical sense? If it was Undertaker in there squashing him, somehow the reaction would be different?


I dont have an axe to grind against smaller wrestlers. My point is, when you are showing a guy who is without a doubt the smallest man in the company, you cant hide behind his "heart" too long, or people just wont buy into it. THe fact that Rey looks weak compared to bigger men who he 'shouldnt be in the ring with' shows what a poor choice for champion he actually is.

If we are supposed to suspend belief that a slightly larger than average midget can beat an Olympian, is it REALLY that big a stretch to assume people who are much, MUCH larger than the Olympian would also want the title shot as well? Why WOULDNT they come in and beat the crap out of Rey?

As for Rey's work, the only matches I have enjoyed of his in the past year or so were against Angle. That's because of what Angle brings to the table as far as technical ability and his own psychology. Together they put on great matches. Rey vs just about everybody else though, bores me to tears, its almost Hogan level with the predictablity of his matches. Its a formula of 1)get beat up 2) come back a bit, scoring a few near falls 3) get beat up some more 4) win out of nowhere, using a diving move, setting up the 619, and the west coast pop.
At least with Angle, the in between parts are interesting and have a more realistic back and forth flow to them.

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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.95
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    Moreover, if all you think of wrestling is what moves you can do, I hope you one day realize what you're missing out on. What has always separated Rey from others similar guys isn't just his look, but knowing how to do moves right every time, when you should do the moves, why should do the moves, and when you should skip the moves and do something else. Psychology is not what moves you do, it's what you do with your moves.

Can I say the same things about Rob Van Dam? Does that make Rob Van Dam a good "wrestler" or storyteller?

I know this is gonna sound silly, but as long as Rey stops every 5 seconds during his matches to make sure his mask is going to stay on (whether he's on offense or defense), I can't ever get intellectually attached (for lack of a better term) to his work.
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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.15
    Originally posted by Mr Shh
    Can I say the same things about Rob Van Dam? Does that make Rob Van Dam a good "wrestler" or storyteller?


Well no, because those things aren't true of RVD.


    I know this is gonna sound silly, but as long as Rey stops every 5 seconds during his matches to make sure his mask is going to stay on (whether he's on offense or defense), I can't ever get intellectually attached (for lack of a better term) to his work.


Which hasn't happened since, what, WrestleMania 21?



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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.42

It's old school booking.

How do you get a monster over? Have him come out and beat up the top guy in the company. Maybe old school booking won't work in 2006, but that's all it is.

People have to remember that the title, now more than ever, is a prop. Chill.



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