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These are courtesy, as always, of PWInsider.com:

Dark Match:

Nunzio and Big Vito beat Garrison Cade and Trevor Rhodes.

Velocity:

Psicosis and Super Crazy beat Akio and Kidman.

Juventud Guerrera, without a mask, also debuted, beating Funaki.

Rene Dupree beat Mark Jindrak by submission.

MNM beat Nick Berk and ?

Smackdown

JBL did a promo ripping on ECW. He tore them up on the mic, kind of like last week.

Chris Benoit pinned Doug Basham. After the match, JBL, Orlando Jordan and Danny Basham attacked Benoit. The lights went out Undertaker came out and made the save. JBL ran down Taker for getting involved. Teddy Long came out and said that JBL would take on the Undertaker tonight in a No DQ match. There was a huge reaction for Undertaker.

Eddie Guerrero beat Paul London with a Sharpshooter. After the match, Rey Mysterio came out with a chair and went after Eddie. They brawled to the back. London got some offense in, but not a lot.

After a long delay, where nothing happened, Guerrero was chased back to the ring by Rey. Rey laid out Eddie with a chair to the head. He then got pulled off Eddie by the refs. Sounds like they were doing some kind of re-shoot of the angle from the previous match.

Eddie and Rey were shown on the Titantron fighting in the back. They were separated by an electric gate or fence so they couldn't get at each other.

They did a backstage skit where the Cabinet teased dissention. The Bashams then quit the cabinet.

In Carlito's Cabana, Carlito interviewed Booker T and Sharmell. Carlito said that Sharmell could get drafted to Raw, which would hurt their marriage. Booker then attacked Carlito. Sharmell and Booker threw apples at Carlito.

Big Show beat Matt Morgan by DQ when Carlito hit Show with a chair. Morgan tried to put Show through the announcer's table, but couldn't do it. Show then put Morgan through the table.

Orlando Jordan, by himself, pinned Bob Holly using the ropes for leverage, to retain the US Title.

Heidenreich came out to the ring. He did a poetry reading. The Divas came out and interrupted him. Then MNM came out. Melina shot on the Divas. Melina got into it with one of the Divas. Heidenreich tried to pull them apart and was laid out by MNM.

JBL came to the ring with Orlando for his match with Taker. Before the match, Chris Benoit came down to the ring and brawled to the back with Orlando, leaving JBL alone. Taker and JBL brawled all around the building. JBL was on the offensive for a while, choking Taker with electrical tape. Taker came back and was about to win with a tombstone when Randy Orton ran down and hit the RKO on Taker. JBL then got the pin.

Randy Orton then took the mic and ran down The Undertaker on the mic, and then announced he was the draft pick and was coming to Smackdown.

After the taping ended, JBL and Orlando came out and beat on Undertaker. Benoit came down and the four began fighting. The faces got the upper hand and laid out the faces.


-- No real big surprise here in that Orton gets shifted. With Angle gone, Orton has the chance to become arguably the brand's top heel. But how much longer is he supposed to be out of commission? I thought it was for at least 2 more months.





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I know that there's a lot of time before the rosters are finalized, but this whole draft lottery loses a little bit of its effect when the first four guys to change brands are all main eventers. It really is overkill, IMO.

Velocity looks awesome this week. I'll make it a point to watch. What submission moves does Rene Dupree have?
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What a depressing pick. Hopefully they'll wise up & move Cena back before HHH gets his hands on him.



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.00
    Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff
    What a depressing pick. Hopefully they'll wise up & move Cena back before HHH gets his hands on him.
Honestly, I'd rather see Cena stay on cable, where he'd have a bit more leeway with his promos.

But yeah... Orton was probably the least exciting heel they could have sent. It was a bit of a foregone conclusion that he'd be sent over eventually, though.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.80
Without Orton, the top heel on the show would've been JBL, so anything is an improvement. Even if he's still hurt, Orton can chew out the Undertaker via promos for the next few weeks -- it's not like UT wrestles a lot anyway. Was this his first TV appearance since Wrestlemania?

Prediction: since it looked like Show got his revenge on Matt Morgan, I think he'll be the next one drafted to Raw.



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I still wouldn't be surprised if HHH is the final draft pick on SmackDown. Even *he* would probably admit that with Cena, Michaels, Batista and Angle (and on the second tier, Christian, Edge, Benjamin, Jericho and Kane), HHH's star power would benefit SmackDown much more at this stage...



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
I'd take JBL over Orton any day of the week.



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.16
    Originally posted by BigSteve
    I know that there's a lot of time before the rosters are finalized, but this whole draft lottery loses a little bit of its effect when the first four guys to change brands are all main eventers. It really is overkill, IMO.

    Velocity looks awesome this week. I'll make it a point to watch. What submission moves does Rene Dupree have?


I totally agree Big Steve. It's time to start moving some midcarders. If they keep moving the main eventers, we're pretty much going to have the same feuds we've been seeing, except on different shows.

It appears that they're swapping face for face, heel for heel ... I'm cool with Big Show coming to RAW, but what RAW face goes to Smackdown? Kane? Tajiri, maybe?



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
    Originally posted by CANADIAN BULLDOG
    I still wouldn't be surprised if HHH is the final draft pick on SmackDown. Even *he* would probably admit that with Cena, Michaels, Batista and Angle (and on the second tier, Christian, Edge, Benjamin, Jericho and Kane), HHH's star power would benefit SmackDown much more at this stage...

I just can't see HHH agreeing to go to SD, regardless of whether he thinks he could help the show. Considering the show is: a) taped, b) going to be airing on Friday, and c) treated by the company as the "B" show, I can't see his ego allowing him to go to SD. Even with all those guys on Raw, HHH will still be the top guy on the show, so he won't be scared of being demoted.



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Sure.... but imagine what it would do for his ego if he could make SmackDown a more watchable show? Between Benoit, Guerrero, Orton, Undertaker, JBL, Big Show and HHH, you could probably have a main-event scene that is at least watchable. Without him, or somebody as well-known as him, in the heel position, (and I can't think of too many others) SmackDown will continue to be skippable television.



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I see either Jericho or Christian winning the World Title at Vengeance and moving on to Smackdown



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I agree that this week was disappointing, up to this show I thought the draft picks were pretty unpredictable. I know there had been talk of Cena going possibly to Raw but I still wasn't going to believe it until I saw it since he was holding Smackdown's title. I wasn't expecting Benoit to be coming back to Smackdown so soon. And Angle was a complete shock to me, I figured if they were going to do Angle/HBK part II it would be HBK going to Smackdown not vice versa. But the Randy Orton move was something people had been predicting for a while so it wasn't shocking and Orton and Angle is a horrible trade off for a show that needs to be getting the BETTER of the trades. Only good thing is that Orton's match with Undertaker at WM was way better than it had any business being, so maybe they just somehow click in the ring. I'm actually looking forward to their rematch and I don't think I've said that about Orton ever, and not about UT in a while.

I've heard that Triple H and Cena don't really like each other, although they act respectable to each other when they see each other. And we know Triple H has a past with Angle. So it seems like the guys Triple H doesn't like are moving to Raw. Meanwhile Benoit, who Triple H asked to come to Raw to make him look better at WM, is on Smackdown. And aren't Triple H and Orton buddies from being in Evolution? Maybe I'm reading too much into it but it looks like they are perhaps making a Smackdown roster that Triple H wouldn't mind working with.

They do need some upper-mid card or mid card guys to move next. Maybe ship a few useless Smackdown guys over to Raw and move some upper midcarders from Raw. I still think it'd be great to see Christian and Shelton on Smackdown since there is less competition for their belt but Christian is in the middle of a feud right now and for Shelton to switch shows they'd have to do something about the secondary titles as well as the World Titles.

As for Smackdown's show, after the last ppv they seem to be on the way up. They have now found enough guys to rotate into new feuds. It seems for the next ppv we have possily JBL vs. Benoit, Benoit can certanly have good match with JBL. Big Show vs. Morgan, could be a good big man match. Orton vs. UT, first match was good. Another installment of Eddie and Rey. Carlito vs. Booker, Carlito still looks REALLY bad in the ring but he's entertaining, and Booker looks rejuvenated ever since Sharmell became an on screen role. Now you actually have a pretty decent tag division with Bashams, MNM, refreshed Dudleys, Haas/Holly and even Carlito/Morgan. Or they can bring in Super Crazy/Psicosis who seem to be tagging a lot on Velocity and dark matches. And then there is London vs. random cruiserweight. They still need to get the US title on somebody good though (Haas? Morgan? Rey?)



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.78
I don't think he would take the risk where all the ratings could be put on him.



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.80
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    I don't think he would take the risk where all the ratings could be put on him.


Ah, but that's the genius of it. Instead of being 'blamed' (by the online crowd at least) for Raw's average ratings, he could go to Smackdown and then claim that their lower ratings are due only because of the Friday slot. It's really a nowhere-to-go-but-up type of situation.

I think you might not see any midcarders moved until the last week of the draft, when each show gets two picks.



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.04
Ok can somebody fully explain the draft to me. I mean how long is it? Do they get more picks as time goes on? What about trades? Any help would be nice. Thanks.
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    Originally posted by Above Average 1
    Ok can somebody fully explain the draft to me. I mean how long is it? Do they get more picks as time goes on? What about trades? Any help would be nice. Thanks.

The Draft Lottery lasts for four weeks. For the first three weeks Raw and Smackdown each get one random pick each week. On the fourth week Raw and Smackdown get two picks. There is then an opportunity for the GMs to do trading until midnight June 30th. See here (wwe.com) for the official details.
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    Originally posted by The Green Bastard
    I see either Jericho or Christian winning the World Title at Vengeance and moving on to Smackdown


No way Cena drops the title at Vengeance. This match is a slapped together way to get Cena on PPV without using up anything they see as a money feud so soon after his debut. He's a much better fit for Raw than Smackdown because it's cable and because it's live. I'd be willing to bet on Cena chasing HHH's WWE title into WrestleMania next year - Cena is the #1 face on either show right now and, like it or not, HHH is the #1 heel.

To allow this, I see Batista getting moved to Smackdown after Hell in a Cell. Smackdown needs a champion, Batista is clearly the #2 out of the 2 they have right now, and it really is the only way they can truly sever him and HHH. He's got easy feuds with JBL and Big Show if they choose to follow up on the WM build, plus Orton is a logical opponent for him as well.

With the amount of time, money, and effort they have put into Cena, coupled with the crossover recognition they're trying to push, I think it will be harder for anyone to justify HHH killing him. I know we've said "they'd have to be stupid to bury _____" before, but it's even more obvious in this case.



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Wow. Velocity looks AMAZING this weekend. I can't wait to see it. Three debuts in one hour? All cruiserweights, no less? Is this the WWE's attempt to actually give a damnm about the division?

What adumb way to kill of the Cabinet, though. Then again, what a dumb name for a group. Good luck to the Bashams, though; if the draft lottery wasn't all about shifting main eventers and upper-midcarders around, I'd be one to guess that one of the Bashams will head to Raw.



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.46
It has to be said with Orton jumping to the blue team, if he still has a couple of months until he's ready to return, the RNN updates need to be back on the air.
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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.78
    Originally posted by Big Vito Mark
    With the amount of time, money, and effort they have put into Cena, coupled with the crossover recognition they're trying to push, I think it will be harder for anyone to justify Triple H killing him. I know we've said "they'd have to be stupid to bury _____" before, but it's even more obvious in this case.


I think that's true, but there are more than one way to bury someone. A couple years ago, Triple H buried Booker T, Rob Van Dam, and Chris Jericho by beating them time after time without ever giving them anything in their feud. But in the last year or so, he has pretty much let Chris Benoit and Batista beat him every time out, yet at the end of the day, Triple H was the number one guy and everybody knew it. Why? Because he still put himself in the main event and he still made sure that everything revolved around him. Since Batista won the title, the only way that Batista has been involved in Raw is how he deals with Triple H. Just this Monday, Triple H was in at least three or four segments and basically cut two long promos. Meanwhile, Batista was in one segment and was hardly mentioned throughout the show.

That's the irony. John Cena can beat Triple H clean in the middle of the ring on every Raw for the rest of 2005 and on every PPV, but it doesn't matter. Triple H will come out at the start of Raw and cut a twenty minute, logic-defying promo where he just calls it a fluke or says how Cena isn't even on his level. If Cena is on the same show as Triple H, the best he can hope for is to be number two because no matter who holds the belt and no matter who sells merchandise, Triple H is always number one.
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