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#1 Posted on
In case anyone hasn't seen them, I'll post some stuff here, 'cause I've got to talk about some of the stuff that happened.

Rikishi vs Christian-Rikishi wins. Christian had his foot on the ropes. Lance Storm comes out and talks about the refs prejudice against Canadians.

Billy Kidman vs Jamie Knoble (#1 Contender)-Knoble wins, the Hurricane comes out afterwards and takes his mask back.

Billy Gunn vs Triple H-Duh, H wins. First off, who books this? Does HHH think that's going to get him over? Making fun of Billy Gunn? Aren't there enough people making fun of Billy Gunn already? Anyway, during (and immediately after) this match, Triple H 1) wins the match, even though Billy had help from Chuck AND Rico and 2) Beats up Kurt Angle AND the Undertaker after the match. And people complained about Austin stunning everyone.

Chris Jericho vs the Big Valbowski-Jericho cheats (low blow) to get the victory.

Hardcore Holly vs Test-Holly hits test with the Best Dropkick in the Business, but that's about all he does in the match. Test wins with the Big Boot? Again, can I ask WHO BOOKS THIS? Test vs Brock Lesnar at the PPV???

Backstage, Undertaker and Kurt Angle are angry with each other. They better not do the double turn at the PPV.

Undertaker vs Kurt Angle-Kurt Angle wins with help from Triple H, who distracts the Undertaker. Triple H then attacks the Undertaker, and Hogan comes out and puts Angle in the Ankle Lock. And sure enough, Angle taps. Anyone want to guess what this ends with? Anyone? Yeah, you guessed it. HHH giving the Pedigree to the Undertaker. What a surprise.

EDIT: Oh yeah, Rey Jr. was in a dark match, and at Velocity, Tajiri beat Hugh Morrus, Chavo beat Albert, D-Von beat Faarooq, and Randy Orton beat a JOBBER (the guy's name is Rob Conway, if anyone cares). They haven't shown a jobber on TV in months. I can't believe that there was no WWE Talent who could work in that match.

(edited by Mr. Boffo on 19.6.02 1151)


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#2 Posted on

Hey, thanks, I was wondering whether or not to bother taping tonight, and now I know I can skip it.

How exactly did Billy Gunn get a shot at HHH?

Man, how did Raw get so much more interesting than Smackethdown.


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It seems like it's not so much a shot as it is (supposed to be, anyway) revenge for last week when HHH hit Billy with the sledgehammer. But how can anyone get revenge when Triple H is so good that he can win a nearly 3-on-1 matchup? Whatever. I think I might give up on Smackdown soon.



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Apparently, Noble beat Kidman when he countered the SSS with a DDT. That I have to see.



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#5 Posted on
If they follow the formula that they have often in the past (whoever goes over on the last show jobs at the PPV), wouldn't that mean that Hogan jobs to Angle, and Triple H jobs to Undertaker? Will that happen? Ah, probably not.
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It looks like it goes over a cliff after Kidman/Knoble. Well, the CSI rerun should prove more interesting than SmaHHHkdown once again.

Boy HHH is really taking over.



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#7 Posted on

    Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
    In case anyone hasn't seen them, I'll post some stuff here, 'cause I've got to talk about some of the stuff that happened.

    Billy Gunn vs Triple H-Duh, H wins. First off, who books this? Does HHH think that's going to get him over? Making fun of Billy Gunn? Aren't there enough people making fun of Billy Gunn already? Anyway, during (and immediately after) this match, Triple H 1) wins the match, even though Billy had help from Chuck AND Rico and 2) Beats up Kurt Angle AND the Undertaker after the match. And people complained about Austin stunning everyone.

    Undertaker vs Kurt Angle-Kurt Angle wins with help from Triple H, who distracts the Undertaker. Triple H then attacks the Undertaker, and Hogan comes out and puts Angle in the Ankle Lock. And sure enough, Angle taps. Anyone want to guess what this ends with? Anyone? Yeah, you guessed it. HHH giving the Pedigree to the Undertaker. What a surprise.



Yeah, boy, because the faces NEVER, EVER are supposed to beat the odds and get one-up on the heels. Gimme a break. A strong face character DOES JUST THAT. It's the way wrestling's been for a long time. Sting took out the ENTIRE FREAKING NWO by BACKHANDING THEM ONE AT A TIME. Realistic? No, of course not. Wrestling's only supposed to be realistic *to a point*. If it were totally realistic, two or three punches into a match neither wrestler would be recognizable for the welts and bruises.

It works like this. If the badguys attack one-at-a-time, "Black Ninja" style, they're GOING TO GO DOWN. That's practically guaranteed. It's not HHH flexing his political muscle, it's a freakin' storytelling device. "If the badguys attack the goodguy man-to-man, they lose."



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    Yeah, boy, because the faces NEVER, EVER are supposed to beat the odds and get one-up on the heels. Gimme a break. A strong face character DOES JUST THAT. It's the way wrestling's been for a long time. Sting took out the ENTIRE FREAKING NWO by BACKHANDING THEM ONE AT A TIME. Realistic? No, of course not. Wrestling's only supposed to be realistic *to a point*. If it were totally realistic, two or three punches into a match neither wrestler would be recognizable for the welts and bruises.

    It works like this. If the badguys attack one-at-a-time, "Black Ninja" style, they're GOING TO GO DOWN. That's practically guaranteed. It's not HHH flexing his political muscle, it's a freakin' storytelling device. "If the badguys attack the goodguy man-to-man, they lose."


Yes, I know that happens. But everything happens for a reason. Having a face beat down a bunch of heels is supposed to help get them over. WHY ARE THEY TRYING TO GET TRIPLE H MORE OVER? While Rock was gone, he was arguably the top face on Smackdown. He's as over as he's going to get as a face. But instead of raising people to the main event level (like The Rock has always done, like Steve Austin is accused of not doing) he's beating down the Tag Team Champions (the Tag Team belts are now only slightly more prestigous then the Hardcore title), as well as the Undisputed champion and one of the top heels.

I don't object to them doing this, I just think it's wasted on Triple H.

(edited by Mr. Boffo on 19.6.02 1325)


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#9 Posted on

    Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
    Yes, I know that happens. But everything happens for a reason. Having a face beat down a bunch of heels is supposed to help get them over. WHY ARE THEY TRYING TO GET TRIPLE H MORE OVER? While Rock was gone, he was arguably the top face on Smackdown. He's as over as he's going to get as a face. But instead of raising people to the main event level (like The Rock has always done, like Steve Austin is accused of not doing) he's beating down the Tag Team Champions (the Tag Team belts are now only slightly more prestigous then the Hardcore title), as well as the Undisputed champion and one of the top heels.

    I don't object to them doing this, I just think it's wasted on Triple H.

    (edited by Mr. Boffo on 19.6.02 1325)



Yes, it's supposed to get them over. It's also designed to keep them over, and keep them looking strong. They're not trying to get him any more over. As you said, he's the top-level face on the show when the Rock's not around. But, he wouldn't look very top-level if he got beaten up in a face-to-face situation. If HHH had gone down to their black ninja-style tactics, he'd look weak, the same way *any* top-level face would look weak if he suddenly got his ass kicked in a situation that every other top-level face since there WERE top-level faces has been in and come out on top of.

It doesn't particularly hurt the heels, they're supposed to be cowardly and run from a fight they can't win. But that sort of thing, unless there're "circumstances" making the fight a little less fair (like a choice heavy thing, or an injury) the face'll lose a little of his heat because he went down.



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#10 Posted on
I have a question: What made them do the black-ninja style then? It's not like someone had a gun to the writer's heads saying "Make sure Triple H beats them all, so have them attack one at a time". If they wanted Triple H to get the beatdown to actually make someone look good, then they could have had someone hit him with a chair from behind while he takes a punch at someone else. It's just that easy.

The ONLY way this kind of thing works is if the heels now win at the PPV. Otherwise, yeah, they look weak, and that does nothing to help the show at all. You need a strong heel in order to make the face look good. I know that heels are supposed to be cowardly, but they're not supposed to be flat-out pussies.


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#11 Posted on
But the question is -- if the tabled were turned and Angle was fighting off the tag champs, the unified champs and Triple H -- how would it go down?

Of course face Angle would be able to take out the (supposed) best tag team in the business and teh (supposed) #1 wrestler in the world -- but do you really think he'd get the better of Triple H?
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#12 Posted on
Isn't there more to the Spoiler, like Angle beating Saraneck?
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#13 Posted on

    Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
    In case anyone hasn't seen them, I'll post some stuff here, 'cause I've got to talk about some of the stuff that happened.
    Billy Gunn vs Triple H-Duh, H wins. First off, who books this?

    Paul Heyman I read the other day..everyone's hero.

    Does HHH think that's going to get him over? Making fun of Billy Gunn? Aren't there enough people making fun of Billy Gunn already? Anyway, during (and immediately after) this match, Triple H 1) wins the match, even though Billy had help from Chuck AND Rico and 2) Beats up Kurt Angle AND the Undertaker after the match. And people complained about Austin stunning everyone.


    As has been said, the face is supposed to prevail. Good.
    Sneaky heels run off. Yay, continuity for having him face Gunn..at least no random tag generator match..



    Again, can I ask WHO BOOKS THIS? Test vs Brock Lesnar at the PPV???

    Backstage, Undertaker and Kurt Angle are angry with each other. They better not do the double turn at the PPV.


    Probably Heyman..we'll see what happens both with that match and Taker/Angle..


    Undertaker vs Kurt Angle-Kurt Angle wins with help from Triple H, who distracts the Undertaker. Triple H then attacks the Undertaker, and Hogan comes out and puts Angle in the Ankle Lock. And sure enough, Angle taps. Anyone want to guess what this ends with? Anyone? Yeah, you guessed it. HHH giving the Pedigree to the Undertaker. What a surprise.


    Fuck that...if HHH hadn't pedigreed the Taker but had got his ass whooped that unwritten rule would have been mentioned again. (last man standing at the end of the show wins the ppv)so you wouldn't be happy.
    If HHH pedigrees Taker it isn't good because H stands at the end of the show.
    What DO you want? To give one another a manly pat on the butt and say 'good luck big guy?'
    (I don't want an answer concerning who you want in the WWE title match, I want a serious answer as to how you would book a title match between these two men without your hatred or whatever it is coming through. How would you have booked that situation??)



    EDIT: Oh yeah, Rey Jr. was in a dark match, and at Velocity, Tajiri beat Hugh Morrus, Chavo beat Albert, D-Von beat Faarooq, and Randy Orton beat a JOBBER (the guy's name is Rob Conway, if anyone cares). They haven't shown a jobber on TV in months. I can't believe that there was no WWE Talent who could work in that match.

    (edited by Mr. Boffo on 19.6.02 1151)


Conway I believe is another OVW/HWA developmental guy.





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#14 Posted on
The very end of Smackdown is supposed to feature HHH as the last man standing over Angle, Hogan, and Undertaker. This is like the 5th or 6th time it's happened in the past few years. Guess that means Undertaker could retain the belt at KOTR. Knowing Triple H, that probably won't happen.





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#15 Posted on
Actually, dMp, you're right about the PPV match. I don't want Undertaker to win, and I damn sure don't want Triple H to win. The problem isn't who they choose to show dominating at the end, it's that they choose these two people to be in the match.

And about the PPV: All signs point to Triple H winning the title, and if that happens, then Undertaker should at least have gotten the better of him here.



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    Yeah, boy, because the faces NEVER, EVER are supposed to beat the odds and get one-up on the heels. Gimme a break. A strong face character DOES JUST THAT. It's the way wrestling's been for a long time. Sting took out the ENTIRE FREAKING NWO by BACKHANDING THEM ONE AT A TIME. Realistic? No, of course not.


But weren't the NWO made to look strong by beating up everyone else in WCW first? Then Sting looked superhuman taking them out.
In the WWE heels hardly ever get to look strong.
Am i supposed to be impressed that Triple H defeated Billy Chuck and Rico singlehanded? Rikishi has been doing it for weeks.
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#17 Posted on

    Originally posted by Weevil

      Yeah, boy, because the faces NEVER, EVER are supposed to beat the odds and get one-up on the heels. Gimme a break. A strong face character DOES JUST THAT. It's the way wrestling's been for a long time. Sting took out the ENTIRE FREAKING NWO by BACKHANDING THEM ONE AT A TIME. Realistic? No, of course not.


    But weren't the NWO made to look strong by beating up everyone else in WCW first? Then Sting looked superhuman taking them out.
    In the WWE heels hardly ever get to look strong.
    Am i supposed to be impressed that Triple H defeated Billy Chuck and Rico singlehanded? Rikishi has been doing it for weeks.



No, BiChuRico are hardly a terrifying force. They've been booked as gigantic wussies. And, yes, the WWE is sort of wasting a "monster face" push on HHH because there aren't any "monster heels" to put him up against.

But I think it's less a matter of method than it is degree. Having the face win when the odds are stacked against him is a tried and true device. The problem seems to be that they aren't willing to use the OTHER half, where the cowardly heels cheat/overwhelm with numbers/whatever to get the face down. Thus, HHH looks WAY too strong, and it ruins any feud he's in because it's less believable for him to lose. Whether that's because of HIS influence or not I can't say, I don't buy into the conspiracy crap. It could just as easily be a remnant of Big Vince's muscle fetish.



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