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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.66
If WWE actually had real writers and/or a boss who gave a crap about Christian, this would be the first step in a fresh storyline. They've never really had a story of 'guy reaches the top of the mountain, only to lose the belt quickly.' It's kind of a unique thing in the sports (er, well, sports entertainment) world --- boxers or MMA fighters often lose the championship in their first defense, but they've had sometimes months between fights, so they've had some time as 'The Man.'

We could see Christian act stiff-upper lip about the quick title loss over the next few weeks, but we know inside it's eating him up. An ex-champ heel (Sheamus would be perfect) could mock Christian's short reign, or in Sheamus' case, could say how he won the title in his first year while Christian had to work for 17 years. This could eventually lead to Christian getting a rematch at a PPV down the road to see if he can regain the championship. I'd prefer if he stayed face, since it would make the story more inspiring.

Then again, I'm the same guy who thought Ziggler's "new attitude" should've been triggered by his embarrassment at being a three-minute champ, not a generic haircut.



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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.51
    Originally posted by odessasteps

    meltzer said Orton was going to be getting the belt on Tuesday, whether it was Christian or Del Rio that won at the PPV.
Probably to keep him happy. I bet Orton wasn't thrilled about being drafted to Smackdown.



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.43
At first I was furious as well, but SmackDown was great this week and what they did with Chritian didn't feel like they just took the belt off of him and now he'll be out of the picture again. They showed him being in total shock and disbelief for minutes and even ended the show this way. I think there's more to come. We'll just have to wait and see. And if there isn't, then they still at least gave the belt to Christian as a sign of their respect. They didn't have to do that at all, you know?
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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.97
    Originally posted by Tyler Durden
    At first I was furious as well, but SmackDown was great this week and what they did with Chritian didn't feel like they just took the belt off of him and now he'll be out of the picture again. They showed him being in total shock and disbelief for minutes and even ended the show this way. I think there's more to come. We'll just have to wait and see. And if there isn't, then they still at least gave the belt to Christian as a sign of their respect. They didn't have to do that at all, you know?


I am going to say yes they did. He came back from TNA and was thrown on a third tier show. He help make it a better show, probably the best show during that time. He was then thrown on Smackdown and helped make it a decent show. He came back from surgery and helped push ADR as a threat to Edge for their biggest show when they had no one else to do it. He has done everything they have asked of, the least they could is when a time comes to reward someone on Smackdown, he should at the top of the list.

Yes, we have to wait and see, but I think most WWE fans are sick and tired of waiting to see if WWE gets better. When the WWE pulls one of this stunts, it never gets better. Maybe this time, they will. Yet, I think Jericho and the rest of the wrestlers have to understand, there is a large group of fans who have zero faith in WWE to do the right thing. There is a enough past evidence to prove them right.



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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.86
    Originally posted by lotjx
    Yet, I think Jericho and the rest of the wrestlers have to understand, there is a large group of fans who have zero faith in WWE to do the right thing. There is a enough past evidence to prove them right.


Fortunately for the WWE, those fans are stupid and continue to watch the program no matter what, so they're completely irrelevant in the scheme of things. If everyone who was incensed at Christian losing the title were to stop watching the show, the ratings would probably go up.
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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.27
Put off watching Christian lose the title until Sunday morning, but now that I've seen it and am over any umbrage I felt earlier in the week, that was a great match. Orton and Christian both Brought It (copyright Team Bring It).

Also, post-draft, Smackdown is the better show than RAW. A great crop of guys top to bottom, and the situation with Orton and Christian over the World Title is worlds more interesting than John Cena again being WWE Champion on RAW.

Josh: "Daniel Bryan is like the Ryan Reynolds of the WWE."
Cole: "He's the Green Lantern?"

LOL

(edited by John Orquiola on 8.5.11 0840)


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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.71
The biggest story for this title change is Christian losing it, not Orton winning it. Until we see Christian in a pattern of jobbing -- or future endeavored -- I won't panic about this. It has potential.

And as said above, so does the rest of the show. Sin Cara/Chavo could be stron. Zeke/Corre could be fun. The show is suddenly controversial and renewed with draft changes. I'm enthused.

Now speaking of booking, Kharma is booked perfectly so far. And I never noticed Alicia looking so good. She ate a deep-dish neckbreaker like a champ too.



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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.27
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    And I never noticed Alicia looking so good. She ate a deep-dish neckbreaker like a champ too.


And A. Fox injured her right shoulder bumping the mat after Kharma shoulder blocked her. Which means the several seconds Kharma had her in a double underhook and held her upside down before the Implant Buster must have been agony for her.



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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.00
Does Christian's name go back on that championship wishlist that was being talked about? Or is getting your name crossed off not all that it's cracked up to be anymore?



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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.71
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
      Originally hposted by Matt Tracker
      And I never noticed Alicia looking so good. She ate a deep-dish neckbreaker like a champ too.


    And A. Fox injured her right shoulder bumping the mat after Kharma shoulder blocked her. Which means the several seconds Kharma had her in a double underhook and held her upside down before the Implant Buster must have been agony for her.


And unlike McCool, she ate that move with a faceplant. She didn't soften the blow with her legs.



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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.01
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      Originally posted by John Orquiola
        Originally hposted by Matt Tracker
        And I never noticed Alicia looking so good. She ate a deep-dish neckbreaker like a champ too.


      And A. Fox injured her right shoulder bumping the mat after Kharma shoulder blocked her. Which means the several seconds Kharma had her in a double underhook and held her upside down before the Implant Buster must have been agony for her.


    And unlike McCool, she ate that move with a faceplant. She didn't soften the blow with her legs.


Not sure if you necessarily get to make that choice yourself.

I thought Gabriel and/or Slater were destined for babyfacedom out of this breakup but it's touching how loyal they still are to Wade after all these months. J-Gabes threw him out of that battle royal but they're still friends!

Let's pretend that Bryan/Sheamus match was on Wrestlemania. In fact, this is Hindsight Wrestlemania from now on:

- Undertaker vs. Triple H (goes last)
- Cena vs. Miz (from Monday, tack on the Rock/Cena/Miz fight from the last Raw before Mania as the finish, leading to Cena getting RB'd and pinned)
- Edge vs. Del Rio
- Orton vs. Punk (Last Man Standing from Extreme Rules)
- Rey vs. Cody (Falls Count Anywhere from Extreme Rules)
- Lawler (w/ Ross) vs. Swagger (w/ Cole) (from TV in April, Lawler wins to get 5 minutes with Cole and they beat him up)
- Bryan vs. Sheamus (title change from Raw in March)
- Morrison vs. Ziggler
- Trish and Snooki can keep their 2 minute match
- Corre vs. faces can be the 2/3 falls match from SD if there's time
- no video packages except Miz's
- no Rock bits except meeting Austin
- great show!
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#32 Posted on
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    ...But it's not as bad now that you saw the post-match play out and see that all the emphasis was on Christian being shocked and devastated, and this is going to lead to a turn and a feud.


I'm usually fairly optimistic that when terrible things happen in WWE there's gonna be at least some kind of silver lining somewhere, but even if I shared your rosy outlook here, and even though I love Christian as a heel slightly more than as a face, both shows are already heel-heavy. Plus even though i don't really dislike either of them, it would be nice to see a face that isn't Orton or Cena have some more sustained credibility for a while.
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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.27
    Originally posted by 2P4E

    I'm usually fairly optimistic that when terrible things happen in WWE there's gonna be at least some kind of silver lining somewhere, but even if I shared your rosy outlook here, and even though I love Christian as a heel slightly more than as a face, both shows are already heel-heavy. Plus even though i don't really dislike either of them, it would be nice to see a face that isn't Orton or Cena have some more sustained credibility for a while.


Yeah, my thought process goes like this: Christian is better as a heel and for that matter so is Orton. But right now, Christian is probably the most sympathetic guy in the company. Even to non-Internet smarks, the story told very clearly was Christian has been waiting 17 years to be World Champion and has Edge's blessing. The story told on TV also isn't "evil WWE screwed Christian out of World Title because Vince McMahon doesn't believe in him". The story they told was Christian was World Champion but was outwrestled and came up short to Randy Orton, thereby losing the title. Then the reality of that set in for him and Christian is now questioning how he could have lost so quickly what he worked so long and hard to attain. So, Internet smarks have sympathy for Christian for one reason - WWE screwed him. WWE Universe fans have sympathy for him for another - Christian has to once again reclimb that mountain he was so briefly king of. And by losing the title, the stigma of Christian only won it because Edge had to retire gets wiped clean and the next time Christian wins it (if he does, I'll be optimistic and say he'll get another, real run down the road) it will be as a bigger face than he is now. At least, I think this is the story they're going to tell with Christian.

(edited by John Orquiola on 8.5.11 1402)


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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.29
It did quite agitate me that Christian lost the title 2 days after winning it. Almost everyone knew Christian wasn't going to hold the title very long (considering he probably would have not even won it if Edge didn't have to retire or if ADR was still on Smackdown).

Still, I at least thought a one month reign would have been better and hell, make it a few extra months just because Khali held it for 4 months.

Ekedolphin mentioned that this is already the 5th time the World Heavyweight Championship has changed hands which leads me to ask..."Does the WWE care about the title or the "credibility" of the title?" Orton will probably keep the title for a little while but the consistent transitioning of the title does make the title (or the Smackdown roster) look a little weaker.
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#35 Posted on
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
      Originally posted by 2P4E

      I'm usually fairly optimistic that when terrible things happen in WWE there's gonna be at least some kind of silver lining somewhere, but even if I shared your rosy outlook here, and even though I love Christian as a heel slightly more than as a face, both shows are already heel-heavy. Plus even though i don't really dislike either of them, it would be nice to see a face that isn't Orton or Cena have some more sustained credibility for a while.


    Yeah, my thought process goes like this: Christian is better as a heel and for that matter so is Orton. But right now, Christian is probably the most sympathetic guy in the company. Even to non-Internet smarks, the story told very clearly was Christian has been waiting 17 years to be World Champion and has Edge's blessing. The story told on TV also isn't "evil WWE screwed Christian out of World Title because Vince McMahon doesn't believe in him". The story they told was Christian was World Champion but was outwrestled and came up short to Randy Orton, thereby losing the title. Then the reality of that set in for him and Christian is now questioning how he could have lost so quickly what he worked so long and hard to attain. So, Internet smarks have sympathy for Christian for one reason - WWE screwed him. WWE Universe fans have sympathy for him for another - Christian has to once again reclimb that mountain he was so briefly king of. And by losing the title, the stigma of Christian only won it because Edge had to retire gets wiped clean and the next time Christian wins it (if he does, I'll be optimistic and say he'll get another, real run down the road) it will be as a bigger face than he is now. At least, I think this is the story they're going to tell with Christian.

    (edited by John Orquiola on 8.5.11 1402)


My first reaction was FUCK YOU VINCE. But after letting it sit in and watching it again, I agree wit hthis post. I think Christian will win it again and when he does it will mean even more than the first one because he did it himself - not as a fill in for Edge. So over the enxt few weeks/months, we get a mroe determined Christian - all business no Peep Show - to get to the top. I think it iwill work.

HOWEVER, I have no faith in the WWE to follow through.



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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.05
Nous ne nous pouvons pas sortir.
I'm pretty sure Christian's going to lose soundly a few more times then spend the next year (or 5) fighting for the Intercontinental Title a la Jericho after his first reign.

I'd love to be wrong though.

(edited by J. Kyle on 8.5.11 1003)


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#37 Posted on
    Originally posted by 2P4E
    I'm usually fairly optimistic that when terrible things happen in WWE there's gonna be at least some kind of silver lining somewhere, but even if I shared your rosy outlook here, and even though I love Christian as a heel slightly more than as a face, both shows are already heel-heavy.


All the upper card heels are on RAW. Who's the number one heel on Smackdown? Sheamus? Cody Rhodes? No one seems a legitimate world title threat right now. They need Christian as the top heel.
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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.18
Looking at it pragmatically this probably means Christian gets more mileage as a main-event guy, because he was never going to be a long-term main-event face if his elevation was solely based around Edge's retirement. This way he can be either a heel who steals the belt eventually, or a face who proves to himself and everyone else that his first title wasn't just a fluke. It's just the brutal speed with which this has been booked that sticks in the throat.
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#39 Posted on
    Originally posted by Eddie Famous
      Originally posted by It's False
      having Christian carry on Edge's legacy should have made him one of the biggest faces in the company.


    Edge has a legacy?

    I guess I just can't see the problem with this, but then I've always thought Randy Orton was much better than Christian (or Edge for that matter).


Not sure about Edge having a legacy, but Orton does, and his is making the audience wear paper bags.






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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.86
    Originally posted by InVerse
      Originally posted by rdvr
      I have never heard this. Cites?


    I can't seem to find a link at the moment but Lance Storm has talked about it a couple of times on his site. He was ripping on Christian and someone asked him about it and he went into an explanation of how Christian drives even his best friends crazy. I've seen Jericho make reference to it as well.


A different combination of keywords came to mind and I managed to find a relevant quote:

    Originally posted by Lance Storm
    For those of you who have never met Christian he has the amazing ability to somehow be a great guy and your best friend, yet still be a tremendous pain in the ass.
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