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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.26
Im high on WWE right now.

Smackdown ended one of the most fun weeks of wrestling that I can remember. Every show this week has been a blast to watch. Usually, I do wear rose-colored glasses around this time of year, but for the past couple years, my interest dropped dramatically right after WM. This year, I think I became hooked back into the fold. Hopefully, they dont get me buying non-WM PPVs again, especially since goddamn TWC in NYC cant seem to broadcast any events in HD.

And you know who the Most Valuable Player was this week? No, not him. Im talking about the Big Show. Hes back in a huge way. I cant remember the last time he was this much fun to watch (I probably have to go back to his rookie year).

Batista vs Shawn Michaels will win every award for 2008 Feud of the Year. Itll win RSPW, WON and at the Emmys, but it wont win the Kids Choice, because the kids cant appreciate this (but thats OK because they will when they grow up). Shawn and Batista dont even have to wrestle they can just argue every week about the spirit of Ric Flair (whos apparently deceased, if you listen to Dave talk).

Why was Kane's profile on WWE.com moved from Smackdown to ECW, while Miz and Morrison's profiles have never moved from the ECW page? Is Chavo on the Smackdown roster or the ECW roster? How can Vickie unilaterally book an ECW title match?

Elsewhere on Smackdown, Im also in love with: Michelle McCool, La Familia, Biscuits & Gravy, MVP, stereo Tombstones and monster heel Vladimir Kozlov (for as long as he destroys jobbers the way he destroyed Matt Bentley).


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I can't wait for Vladimir Kozlov's entrance music to show up on the next WWE: The Music CD!

What a fun show, though! Matt Hardy vs. MVP was great, and the look Undertaker and Kane gave each other after the stereo sit-up was awesome.

And if Batista vs. Shawn Michaels stays this good, it WILL be feud of the year, god damn.
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    Originally posted by Mr Shh
    And you know who the Most Valuable Player was this week? No, not him. Im talking about the Big Show. Hes back in a huge way. I cant remember the last time he was this much fun to watch (I probably have to go back to his rookie year).

Couldn't agree more, and it goes back to something I've said time and time again: Big Show is the rare big man that is far more effective as a face than as a heel, and that's because he has an extremely engaging personality that is easy for the fans to connect with and shines through in his promo work. When Show is forced to be the silent giant killer heel, he just becomes another face in the crowd - like Khali, if Khali could wrestle.

    Originally posted by Mr Shh
    Elsewhere on Smackdown, Im also in love with: Michelle McCool, La Familia, Biscuits & Gravy, MVP, stereo Tombstones and monster heel Vladimir Kozlov (for as long as he destroys jobbers the way he destroyed Matt Bentley).

You forgot about Nattie Neidhart. Lord knows that she should be on RAW showing the Glamazon a thing or two about mat work, but I'll take her anywhere I can get her.



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    Originally posted by Texas Kelly

    You forgot about Nattie Neidhart. Lord knows that she should be on RAW showing the Glamazon a thing or two about mat work, but I'll take her anywhere I can get her.

I figure she can be Smackdown's version of Beth Phoenix, setting up a match down the line with the Glamazon.
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.49
Kozlov doesn't look like much in the ring, but he has a great entrance. It's very old-school....remember back in the day when Dibiase didn't have entrance music, or when Bob Backlund eschewed music in 1994? You can really hear the booing a lot better.



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.29
And let's not forget that this edition of SmackDown marked the WWE debut of two-time former TNA X-Division Champion Matt Bentley, who got straight-up shit-kicked by Kozlov.



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Who was that, who beat up Cherry and McCool? Was that Nattie?

It's too bad that the WWE Fantasy game isn't running anymore. Show would have made some serious points. He was on all three shows this week!

    Originally posted by Mr. Shh
    And you know who the Most Valuable Player was this week? No, not him. Im talking about the Big Show. Hes back in a huge way. I cant remember the last time he was this much fun to watch (I probably have to go back to his rookie year).
I thought he was hilarious when he was on SNL with HHH, Vince, and the rest.

Undertaker vs. Kane was a fun match. The tandem sit up, tandem tombstone, everything. Very cool.

The crowd was dead during Kozlov's match. Since Jerry Jarrett introduced him to Vince, maybe it'd be suiting to have him as a manager? I think Kozlov could use a Freddie Blassie type of manager. What's Jerry doing nowadays?

(edited by Oliver on 5.4.08 0146)

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    Originally posted by Alex
    I can't wait for Vladimir Kozlov's entrance music to show up on the next WWE: The Music CD!


The weird thing is, before his debut was delayed and he just did those in-crowd "I love double double E" interviews, he HAD entrance music. It's on WWE The Music Volume 7. (Hell, it's on my iPod right now.)

The track is called "All For the Motherland." Just shelving the music seems weird...I mean, that theme just screams "evil Russian" pretty nicely. The old-school darkness and spotlighting was interesting, though. House-show-riffic!

And nice job with the hammer-and-sickle lighting gimmick, WWE. I guess Vince doesn't think modern wrestling fans (and the kids he's marketing to now, who were born AFTER the USSR fell) will recognize the white-blue-red of Russia?

Once again, Vince make my head asplode. But I am interested in the character...so maybe he's right and I'm wrong.




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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    And let's not forget that this edition of SmackDown marked the WWE debut of two-time former TNA X-Division Champion Matt Bentley, who got straight-up shit-kicked by Kozlov.
We should mention, for non-TNA followers, that Bentley is Shawn Michaels' cousin, and was trained by him. (He also uses the Superkick as his finisher.) I was a little surprised to see him just tossed out there, since "Shawn Michaels' cousin" could make for a good storyline right now.

Kozlov's silent entrance is interesting; I'll be surprised if it lasts for too long.

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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.51
    Originally posted by Big Bad
    Kozlov doesn't look like much in the ring, but he has a great entrance. It's very old-school....remember back in the day when Dibiase didn't have entrance music, or when Bob Backlund eschewed music in 1994? You can really hear the booing a lot better.


No, it's not. He has a dopey-looking face and marches with a poor hunch; it's awkward. If he's meant to be just another guy who beats you up nonsensically, well pardon my yawn.
If WWE doesn't do a Zangief-motif with him and make him a better Nikita Koloff, this guy is a waste of money and TV time.

I'm not saying give him a mohawk and say wrestles bears in his free-time, but he's big and he's powerful. He doesn't need to be another generic strong man or have that stupid finisher. A guy like that could easily make something as simple as a suplex look devastating if packaged with the right personality. WORKED SHOOT, remember, not WORKED WORK.

If you don't have entrance music to make people pay attention to your entrance...your movement needs to do it; especially when the rest of the setup includes a single spotlight. You walk just slowly enough to let the people take you in and you wait in the corner, then come out guns blazing and destroy, look down at your fallen opponent and then walk slowly back up the ramp with that spotlight. You don't grunt at the people, you don't yell -- you let the work speak for itself. You don't need this match, you just want the money that comes with it.

As far as Batista/HBK goes, I must have been watching something else, because Batista can't convey a promo to save his life. There was no desperation in his voice or sadness, just generic..."Grrr, I'm angry at you, Shawn - I miss Ric!" sounding blabber.

Not trying to be negative, but neither of those segments were particularly good.




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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
    Originally posted by Texas Kelly
    Couldn't agree more, and it goes back to something I've said time and time again: Big Show is the rare big man that is far more effective as a face than as a heel, and that's because he has an extremely engaging personality that is easy for the fans to connect with and shines through in his promo work. When Show is forced to be the silent giant killer heel, he just becomes another face in the crowd - like Khali, if Khali could wrestle.

I'd actually disagree on this. Show is a highly effective monster heel when they actually let him be, and the nature of his in-ring character lends itself more to building up faces than facing down heels. His feud with Brock Lesnar made Brock even more frightening than he already was (the build-up to the F5, the Superplex that shattered the ring), or the similar build-up for Cena when he displayed the ability to FU the 500-pound giant. Or the closing moments of Benoit's Royal Rumble win, when the ring was full of faces trying together to eliminate him, and finally Benoit, alone, managed to outsmart Show and drag him over the top rope.

He was able to do all these things while still remaining very vocal on the mic.
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.74
    Originally posted by Whattaburger


    As far as Batista/HBK goes, I must have been watching something else, because Batista can't convey a promo to save his life. There was no desperation in his voice or sadness, just generic..."Grrr, I'm angry at you, Shawn - I miss Ric!" sounding blabber.




The promo was ALL Shawn. All Bautista brought to the table was the Queer Eye wardrobe.
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.29
I finally got around to watching it earlier this evening. I don't normally watch smackdown, but i grabbed this one based on comments in this thread.

I got the really creepy feeling that dave thinks ric is dead, not retired.

I understand that, in reality, smackdown and ecw are taped at the same location on the same night... but has WWE given up any pretense now of them being seperate shows even in kayfabe?

Is kane a face or a heel? I can't tell. I mean, he's feuding with a heel, but he still makes all the mean heel gestures and facial expressions. I was quite ammused by his response to Taker's extended pretentious enterance. Basically "oh. this again. ok whatever... is it done yet?"

edit: also, it's been said many times before... but for all their other faults, DAMN can WWE put together one hell of a highlight video. The ric flair highlight video was damn near as good as the actual raw episode.

(edited by Skarecrow on 7.4.08 2338)


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#14 Posted on
    Originally posted by Skarecrow

    Is kane a face or a heel? I can't tell. I mean, he's feuding with a heel, but he still makes all the mean heel gestures and facial expressions. I was quite ammused by his response to Taker's extended pretentious enterance. Basically "oh. this again. ok whatever... is it done yet?"


Maybe that's cos Kane's completely neutral facial expression makes him look like a serial killeR, which i actually think is fairly useful in allowing him to show a bit of character as a face without descending too far from monster to lovable goof.
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    Originally posted by Skarecrow
    edit: also, it's been said many times before... but for all their other faults, DAMN can WWE put together one hell of a highlight video. The ric flair highlight video was damn near as good as the actual raw episode.
On the other hand, there's Paul Heyman's opinion (thesun.co.uk)...

    And please, I'm begging someone to tell Vince and Kevin Dunn that f'n song about leaving the memories alone is not something that tugs at the heart, nor does it add to the emotion of a Ric Flair testimonial.

    Play Strauss' Sprach Zarathustra - which was the theme to 2001: A Space Odyssey - all night long.

    That other song is just Vince and Kevin saying: "Here's the WWE touch to it all that makes it so great."

    Get over yourselves.
Maybe it shoulda been "November Rain."

(edited by CRZ on 8.4.08 0929)


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#16 Posted on
    Originally posted by Skarecrow
    I understand that, in reality, smackdown and ecw are taped at the same location on the same night... but has WWE given up any pretense now of them being seperate shows even in kayfabe?
    (edited by Skarecrow on 7.4.08 2338)


Months ago, on-air Smackdown and ECW entered into a "talent-sharing" agreement, so your complaint has been addressed and explained.
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