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While I don't find it particularly surprising, Sports Illustrated (sportsillustrated.cnn.com) has an excerpt from a new book alleging Bonds was a serial steroid abuser. I don't know how much of an effect it will have on the public perception of Bonds, but I'll be interested to see how ESPN handles it in light of their new Bonds based reality show.

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You wanted the best, you got... Out of Context Quote of the Week.

"I know, I know you are saying "sure there was some bad calls, but Jake Gyllenhaal obviously dropped too many easy catches and Ang Lee had some horrible clock management at the end of each half!"" (krakken2000)


Seriously, who do you root for here? Barry Bonds is a dick, we know that, and ESPN seems to be preoccupied with making their own news (the show, the whole waiver issue). I don't think this is going to change much, as the people who believed it at first will see it as proof, and those who don't will continue ignoring it. I'm ready for him to just retire already and go away.



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    Depending on the substance, Bonds used the drugs in virtually every conceivable form: injecting himself with a syringe or being injected by his trainer, Greg Anderson, swallowing pills, placing drops of liquid under his tongue, and, in the case of BALCO's notorious testosterone-based cream, applying it topically.

    According to the book, Bonds gulped as many as 20 pills at a time and was so deeply reliant on his regimen that he ordered Anderson to start "cycles" -- a prescribed period of steroid use lasting about three weeks -- even when he was not due to begin one. Steroid users typically stop usage for a week or two periodically to allow the body to continue to produce natural testosterone; otherwise, such production diminishes or ceases with the continued introduction of synthetic forms of the muscle-building hormone.

    Bonds called for the re-starting of cycles when he felt his energy and power start to drop. If Anderson told Bonds he was not due for another cycle, the authors write, Bonds would tell him, "F--- off, I'll do it myself.''



Steroids or no steroids the man has tremendous plate disipline, it's gotta be tough not swinging at everything knowing you might only see one good pitch a night.


Bonds will die a horribly painful death from all of this anyways.




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    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    Bonds will die a horribly painful death from all of this anyways.



Are you citing personal knowledge of steroid use or what the media has told you to think?

This excerpt is full of pretty bad info. Who says cycles last three weeks? Cycles can last longer than two months depending on the type of steroid and the method of getting the drug into the body.

Steroid users TYPICALLY stop usage for one or two weeks? An off cycle of that short of length is pretty rare and risky.

The media is shameless in attacking the supplements industry. First Ephedra, now they fill us with tons of misinformation about steroids like how there is an epidemic among middle schools on gear. Come on!

My question is how the hell do you contact an AIDS patient to get their steroids or HGH? How could you ask somebody so sick for the medicine they need?!!?
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I know if *I* was trying to sell a book, I'd probably say Bonds used steroids, too.

I'm not the biggest fan, but until we see a positive test from Barry, this is more speculation.



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    Originally posted by Bullitt
    I'm not the biggest fan, but until we see a positive test from Barry, this is more speculation.


Can you be found guilty of a crime without someone seeing you do it? Yes. There are other types of evidence besides an eyewitness (or in this case, a positive test).

The thing that BALCO was doing was providing steroids that were supposed to be un-detectable when tested by the current methods. Chemistry isn't as easy as CSI and the like present it -- there's no magic machine into which your sample is placed, and five seconds later you're told everything about it, and everything contained within it.

He's guilty, as are Sosa, McGwire, Palmeiro, Pudge, and many, many more.
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.93
    Originally posted by Sec19Row53
    Can you be found guilty of a crime without someone seeing you do it? Yes. There are other types of evidence besides an eyewitness (or in this case, a positive test).

    The thing that BALCO was doing was providing steroids that were supposed to be un-detectable when tested by the current methods. Chemistry isn't as easy as CSI and the like present it -- there's no magic machine into which your sample is placed, and five seconds later you're told everything about it, and everything contained within it.

    He's guilty, as are Sosa, McGwire, Palmeiro, Pudge, and many, many more.


True, but I highly doubt the MLBPA would allow any type of suspension/punishment as a result of a "circumstantial" positive steroid test...



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    Originally posted by Bullitt
    I know if *I* was trying to sell a book, I'd probably say Bonds used steroids, too.

    I'm not the biggest fan, but until we see a positive test from Barry, this is more speculation.


Well, he's admitted to using steroids already. He testified to the grand jury during the BALCO hearings that he used Clear, which he ingested and a cream, which he rubbed into his body.

There are so many stories getting buried in the lead here, including intimidating a witness, threatening bodily harm, etc. When he told his mistress that "It was time for here to disappear" when she was thinking about going public with his abuse.

Back to the steroids, I cannot believe how many baseball ostriches there are out there who continue to purposely keep there head in the sand on this issue. Unfortunately, the only one with any power to alter record books is the nutless wonder, Bud Selig. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that Selig knew about this steroid abuse, or in fact encouraged it in trying to bring back baseball to the American public after the 94 strike.
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    It wouldn't surprise me to find out that Selig knew about this steroid abuse, or in fact encouraged it in trying to bring back baseball to the American public after the 94 strike.


There's a big difference between having a drug policy with loopholes because the last collective bargaining agreement just cost you half a season and some battles were better fought another day and encouraging doping in a sport on your watch. Besides, if that were remotely the case, a Canseco or a Caminiti would have thrown Selig under the bus at some point in the last four years.



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.97
    Originally posted by Bullitt
    True, but I highly doubt the MLBPA would allow any type of suspension/punishment as a result of a "circumstantial" positive steroid test...


Selig reportedly considering suspending Bonds (MSNBC.com)

    Originally posted by MSNBC
    "It's even worse than I thought," Selig said, the Chicago Tribune reported Thursday, citing an unnamed source who discussed the situation with him.

    Selig wouldn't rule out suspending Bonds, the Tribune reported, citing a "highly placed MLB source." Although Selig is known for not acting quickly, he could issue a suspension before the Giants' home opener April 3, the Tribune reported.


It's pointed out in the article, like you said, that this would definitely be challenged by the MLBPA and would be more of a PR move on Selig's part than anything else.

(edited by Deputy Marshall on 9.3.06 1658)


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And don't forget that before 2003, steroids were NOT banned in baseball. So if Selig suspends Bonds on circumstantial evidence for something that he's never tested positive for, he's going to have one hell of a fight on his hands _ as he should.
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Lots of illegal things aren't banned by baseball - the rule of law is supposed to cover that stuff. I would guess there is a morals clause or something that they could get him with, if they chose to, even if the rules didn't explicitly say that steroids were illegal.

I bet the rules didn't say they were legal.

*For example, speeding with a gun in your car - that's stupid and illegal, but not in the rules of baseball. Did Canseco face any retribution for that?



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.50
So Guru, if a major leauge player got a Scrip from a Doc it would be okay?

You can find bodybuilding doctors that prescribe steroids if you have the right connections.
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It would be legal, just unethical.

Like writing off a Hummer as "farm equipment" on your taxes.

Ethics seem to be under-appreciated in society.



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    Originally posted by JoshMann

      It wouldn't surprise me to find out that Selig knew about this steroid abuse, or in fact encouraged it in trying to bring back baseball to the American public after the 94 strike.


    There's a big difference between having a drug policy with loopholes because the last collective bargaining agreement just cost you half a season and some battles were better fought another day and encouraging doping in a sport on your watch. Besides, if that were remotely the case, a Canseco or a Caminiti would have thrown Selig under the bus at some point in the last four years.


Somebody made this post before Jose's (unintentionally) *HILLARIOUS* appearance on Outside the Lines on ESPN Sunday morning. I was waiting for Bob Ley to ask the real important question of what the HELL was that "hat" that Canseco was wearing, but then I realized it was to shield his brain from the signals that Bud Selig and Major League Baseball are trying to bombard and brainwash him with. Wow, what a weirdo, and a bitter, bitter man.

edit: Oh yeah, he's got ANOTHER book coming where he promises to name MORE names. Bwah hah hah ha.

(edited by DrewDewce on 13.3.06 0319)


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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.88
Bonds DID break baseball rules.

http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice/archives/2006/03/on_books_bonds.html





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