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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.46
One of the biggest arguments against 'the Streak' ever ending is that it would take a perfect opponent to break it. It makes no sense to have a current "made man" (Cena, Michaels, HHH, Rock, Lesnar, etc.) do it since they have short or non-existent remaining shelf lives. So you need an upcoming or just-on-the-cusp main eventer to do it, and those aren't easy to find, especially when you have a company that has been riding on 50-50 booking for years and is very wary about pulling the trigger on anyone.

So my answer to this would be....have the Shield break the streak this year at WM29. This accomplishes a few different things:

* Instead of putting all your eggs in one basket, you're putting it in three baskets. It would be tragic if the guy WWE chose to finally beat Taker ended up getting Wellness violated out of the company, or got hurt, or flaked out or whatever. This way, however, you're spreading the rub over three guys. WWE is high on Ambrose, Reigns and Rollins, so barring some real crappy luck, at least one will go on to be a long-term star.

* Along these same lines, you're also creating three new "Streaks." Presuming the Shield eventually splits into singles bouts, you can have them all carry their own unbeaten records through future Wrestlemanias. Not all need huge Streaks, however, but having one guy get to maybe 5-0 or 6-0 at least creates another hook for future events.

* Though it's still up in the air as to whether Undertaker is wrestling at Mania this year, it seems clear that Mark Callaway is physically shot in terms of being healthy enough to wrestle. If it weren't for the Streak, I'd bet that Taker would've retired at least a couple of years ago. He is a proud man and doesn't want to make token appearances moving around like 1990 Andre, so maybe it's time for him to hang it up. And that concludes this episode of Guy On The Internet Knows What's Best For Person He's Never Met.

* This is a dumb one, but it sounds better to have the Streak end on a round number. 20-0 has a better ring to it than 21-0 or 22-0, and while I know nothing about Undertaker's physical condition, it's pretty clear he's not making through five more Manias to get to 25-0.

As for the match itself, it's pretty easy to set up. Shield have been unstoppable, Sheamus and Ryback need a new partner and....*GONG* At Wrestlemania, it's another hard-hitting brawl of a match and it ends with both Sheamus and Ryback incapacitated on on the outside. (Or, you can have Ryback attack Sheamus to kick off a heel turn.) It ends with UT fending for himself against all three guys and it seems like he'll pull it off, but the Shield are just too much. After a couple of false finishes, they finally put him down. Doesn't matter who gets the physical pinfall, since all three Shield guys will be standing over him representing the team victory.





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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.34
I endorse this idea as far as Dean Ambrose breaking the Streak and thus shirts being made that say "Dean Ambrose Broke The Streak". Which I would buy.



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It's not a bad idea, but there's a flaw in your logic. Ultimately, one man DOES stand victorious. I don't set how that point doesn't get drilled home when The Shield breaks up. Then, you are back to having chosen one person. So, choose wisely.
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.80
No one should end the streak, ever.

At this point, I almost think ending the streak would do more harm to the person who does it than good. The backlash would be intense unless you had a late 90's Austin or Rock which they don't have any probably won't before Taker retires.

You'd also have a problem with it being a 3 on 1 match. No one would take it seriously if Taker lost in a handicap match when they streak has been built for years around which one superstar is good enough to beat Taker.

edit - Sorry, just saw your idea was for it to happen in a tag match. I think that might even be worse as far as people taking it seriously as him having been "beaten". If you're going to do it, it's gotta be a 1 on 1 match or no one gets the proper accolades. 1 on 1, the WWE doesn't have anyone near good enough to end this streak.

(edited by Tribal Prophet on 22.2.13 1803)
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Unless it's a tag match and SOMEONE ELSE tags the fall. THen you have someone get a rub, but Taker is still undefeated.....in solo matches.



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I brought up an idea similar to this in another thread but I think I agree that the streak needs to end in a singles match. I understand it's tough to put your eggs in one basket but I think you have to make a choice. My choice would be Ambrose but I wouldn't be surprised if the WWE is highest on Reigns the way they've been putting him over.

I think if Taker has to be limited at WM this year the least they can do is a six man tag that Taker wins at WM but then The Shield gives him a beatdown on Raw the next night.

On a side note. I love how after the loss at Elimination Chamber Sheamus is like, "Grrr, I want revenge", Ryback is like "GRAAHH, I hate losing" and Cena is like, "welp, time for my title match."



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.79
Even if he can't wrestle, Taker can still accompany someone to the ring, give them the rub, and help put someone over without taking so much as a hiptoss.

I do like the idea of Taker being the hot tag in a team match. The guy to eat the pin can practically chokeslam himself and let Taker pin him.

The Shield, though, they're just too vague about the end game, and despite Jericho's claims, they don't seem to want to run the WWE or claim a title. How do we know? They haven't challenged for a title. It's a gimmick without an angle. It's really the smoke monster from Lost, a chaotic adversarial swarm. Maybe that's enough to sell a PPV match, but I don't think they've built up the group enough to deserve the capital punishment/reward of fighting Taker at Mania.



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.46
    Originally posted by El Nastio
    Unless it's a tag match and SOMEONE ELSE tags the fall. THen you have someone get a rub, but Taker is still undefeated.....in solo matches.


This would have the exact opposite effect. The Streak would be broken but the streak-breaker would have zero credibility whatsoever since he didn't directly pin Undertaker.


    It's not a bad idea, but there's a flaw in your logic. Ultimately, one man DOES stand victorious. I don't set how that point doesn't get drilled home when The Shield breaks up. Then, you are back to having chosen one person. So, choose wisely.


I'm sure there's a way you could book it where one man gets the actual pin, but the other two perhaps combine on the big move that finally puts Undertaker down. I'll be honest, the "who actually pins Taker" is indeed a flaw since it would require some real creativity so it wouldn't put all the focus on the guy who scores the pin. Maybe if the Shield had a more interesting triple-team finisher than the triple-powerbomb, it would work. It they had a three-man version of, like, the Total Elimination or a Doomsday Device, it never happened if Hawk, Animal, Saturn or Kronus actually got the legal fall.



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.79
You don't have to pin Taker to win the match. The countout can help a heel claim victory. If Taker eats a group beatdown and can't quite crawl back, the streak is over. And with such a passive decision, a weasel heel can milk that for a long, long time.



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.38
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    You don't have to pin Taker to win the match. The countout can help a heel claim victory. If Taker eats a group beatdown and can't quite crawl back, the streak is over. And with such a passive decision, a weasel heel can milk that for a long, long time.


Yeah, or they could go the opposite direction and have Taker himself break the streak by a disqualification when he absolutely rips a heel to shreds and goes out on his own terms.


But, my guess is that, if they ever do want to break the streak and Taker wants to really put someone over, they compromise and end it with a draw. It worked for Rocky.
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.60
    Originally posted by Tribal Prophet
    No one should end the streak, ever.


Amen.
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.02
I say don't let anyone end it. The great thing about the HBK/HHH v. Undertaker matches was that, in a way, it wasn't just beating two of the top performers in the companies history. He beat two of the best in their respective WWE eras, two eras in which Undertaker rose to prominence in the company.

Taker started in the 90's during the Rock and Wrestling era which was on it's way out along with other big names in the WWF at the time like Hogan. Leaving guys like HBK and Bret to pick up the slack during the early parts of the Monday Night Wars. One of the guys who was one of the top champions at the time was HBK, he was the face of the company most of the pre-Attitude years of the mid/late 90's. Taker continues his streak by beating the most dominant champion of that time. It's years later but he does it at WM 25 & 26, retiring him the second time. Chapter closed on proving he is the best of best in that time period.

Taker during the Attitude Era had become multiple time champion, but he still was surpassed by the Austin, Rock, and Helmsley. Austin is not physically able to compete what with his constant knee surgeries, Rock is preoccupied with Cena, but HHH on the other hand. HHH may not have been the face of the company, but he was one of the most dominant world champions of the Attitude Era, with more WWE/Heavyweight Championship runs than anyone from that era (Edge is a runner-up with 11 runs to Triple H's 13, which Taker beat during WM 24 already). Taker beats him twice to "End an Era".

The quotations on "End an Era" are the most important. For two decades the Deadman has stuck around defending his streak. When guys left for greener pastures or got fired Taker stuck it out with the new class twice in that span. As far as main eventers and major champions from either the Pre-Attitude Era or Attitude Era where Taker was more active and still a full timer, he's beaten them all. He has nothing to prove with this new generation.

It's kind of like the original "I am Legend". Undertaker looks around and sees he's the last of his kind.

The only other instance I could see of Taker losing his streak and it having some significance would be him losing to Kane. This would be more of a story conclusion and would tie up the loose end of Kane being brought end mainly to destroy his brother Taker. This would be even more poignant if Kane actually retired right after that like Godzilla destroying Mecha Godzilla and sinking beneath the murky black waters. His major purpose in life fullfilled. /end fantasy booking.

(edited by CruelAngel777 on 22.2.13 2338)


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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.19
    Originally posted by Tenken347
      Originally posted by Tribal Prophet
      No one should end the streak, ever.


    Amen.


Fourthed. No one should ever, ever end it.

I was rather surprised that Undertaker didn't come out on RAW this last Monday. That makes me suspect that he may not be part of WM29 at all. If he wrestles at WM30, I'd like to see him face Cena. Cena is perhaps the one guy people could actually look at and go, "Shit, he might break the streak."

But he shouldn't. No one should.



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.24
Undertaker has been announced as appearing at the VIP autograph table at Axxess one of the sessions. (We just have the regular ham-and-egger humanoid tickets).

It would be a bummer to know he's there, yet not making any kind of appearance at Wrestlemania itself.
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.60
    Originally posted by CruelAngel777
    This would be even more poignant if Kane actually retired right after that like Godzilla destroying Mecha Godzilla and sinking beneath the murky black waters. His major purpose in life fullfilled. /end fantasy booking.



Okay, actually I might be okay with the streak ending if WrestleMania ended with the Undertaker wading out into the ocean until the waves covered him up as the sun sinks below the horizon. Maybe.
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.12
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    Even if he can't wrestle, Taker can still accompany someone to the ring, give them the rub, and help put someone over without taking so much as a hiptoss.

    I do like the idea of Taker being the hot tag in a team match. The guy to eat the pin can practically chokeslam himself and let Taker pin him.

    The Shield, though, they're just too vague about the end game, and despite Jericho's claims, they don't seem to want to run the WWE or claim a title. How do we know? They haven't challenged for a title. It's a gimmick without an angle. It's really the smoke monster from Lost, a chaotic adversarial swarm. Maybe that's enough to sell a PPV match, but I don't think they've built up the group enough to deserve the capital punishment/reward of fighting Taker at Mania.


This. This times a million. I have no idea why I should care about the Shield mainly due to the fact, I have no idea what they want. If they just came out after the Rumble and said they were Punk's goons squad, great. Instead, they are hired guns, so why doesn't Vince, the not really billionaire just pay them to take out everyone or just stop what they are doing? If they are here to end the WWE's glass ceiling then they need the title. The title is the most important thing and they should be in Rock's grill every week not Cena or Sheamus or anyone else. To me, the Shield is just a group of indy NWO B team.

Having said that, the idea these guys end the streak is just silly. If anything, it should be Taker that beats the crap out of them at Mania as a surprise entrance. If anyone should end the streak its Punk.



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.75
If it comes as some relief, the Shield are Punk's goon squad. All four are just big hypocrites and liars who insincerely insist that Punk is a fighting champion and the Shield believes in justice.

The Shield's motivation for being bad is that they are mean and they can, the same as half of the heels in wrestling. (The other half are arrogant men.)

I like all the thought Big Bad put into this thesis, but I think the streak is such a unique entity that if it does end (and probably shouldn't unless Undertaker himself wants it that way because of what Michaels did for him), it should end straight up -- one-on-one in a gunslinger's last stand, an emotionally exhausting showdown of battered and broken bodies like Michaels/Taker 2 and HHH/Taker 1.

Undertaker is clearly at the end of the line, but it seems like for at least the last two years talking about UT here we've been looking ahead to the round numbers "Wrestlemania 30" and "22-0" and the match with John Cena. With Rock/Lesnar already planned, I would be pretty surprised if that's not the idea. There, either Taker overcomes his biggest challenge ever to ride off into the sunset (or the sea) -- the likely and probably the best ending -- or Cena turns heel to beat him and legitimately changes the direction of the wrestling business.

Of course, if Taker went to Vince in Nashville and said "head's up, this it the last one, bro, and I'm going out the right way, because wrestling" and CM Punk wins, I'm not going to say I wouldn't enjoy that.

(edited by JustinShapiro on 23.2.13 1402)
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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.02
You guys are all so wrong. No one is going to end the streak except for Vince McMahon.

In a couple years, the Undertaker will be at 24-0, and Vince will volunteer himself to be the one to break the streak. He will make it by pin fall or submission only, so Undertaker can't get to 25-0 by some cowardly count out or anything like that. Then they will have their match and Undertaker will slowly kick Vince's ass for 10 minutes until whoever is doing the Big E Langston/Umaga kind of work comes out and flattens the Undertaker to give Vince the win. Then Vince will brag about it for a couple months and at Summerslam he will book Vince McMahon & Big E Umaga vs John Cena in a handicap match, and the lights will go out and Undertaker will chokeslam Vince and hit Big E with the chair to help Cena win.

People will ask the Undertaker why he did it and all his fans will cry, "What about your legacy? Don't you care?"

And the Undertaker will just shrug and say, "Sorry, I gotta put my granddaughters through college."
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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.92
I'm rooting for Heel Cena ending the streak, but Jon Jones' prediction sounds plausible.
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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.80
    Originally posted by jon jones

    And the Undertaker will just shrug and say, "Sorry, I gotta put my granddaughters through college."


He's got that covered and then some already.

He's not exactly been living paycheck to paycheck for the last 25 years.

Also, the idea of Taker's streak ending by a countout would be almost as cool as the visual of the crowd burning the stadium to the ground afterwards in protest to such a weak way to end it.
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