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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.32
I'm a fairly big Shelton Benjamin fan. Actually more of a Team Angle/WGTT fan. (Haas is getting screwed around on SD but, appreciated the double-team move during the Rumble.)

With WM21 coming up, who will challenge Benjamin for the strap?

Is there anybody even worthy?I've been very disappointed in Benjamin's challengers as of late.
Since winning the championship from makeshift Jericho, who has
really challenged him.
Christian and Maven come to mind. Oh yea, Simon Dean.

Benoit, Jericho, HBK and Edge are all above the IC title.
Hurricane, Rosey, Richards are below it.(I guess Tomko could make a run...maybe)

I throw Mohammad Hassan into the picture. I see Hassan as being Shelton's next big challenger. Possibly Benjamin vs. Hassan at WM21.

Have I forgotten somebody..I'm sorry. I also see Orlando Jordan taking the US title from Cena at NWO setting up the JBL feud.
I believe that's been stated on this board before....

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I think Edge will end up getting the shot, because really, what else would they do with him at 'Mania?



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.47
    Originally posted by CANADIAN BULLDOG
    I think Edge will end up getting the shot, because really, what else would they do with him at 'Mania?


I'm wishing and hoping and praying and beseeching for a Shawn/Edge hair vs. hair match. One of them has to join us in the 21st century. And I'd rather it be Edge.

As for Shelton, yeah, Hassan has to win the belt there so we can cheer Shelton in the pursuing-face mode once the world title goes to a face champ.

(edited by Matt Tracker on 3.2.05 1343)


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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.25
If WM's gonna be a Shelton Showcase, then he should be facing (and overcoming) a pretty tough challenger, no? I like the Hassan idea. I loved Shapiro's Benjamin v Haas idea a while back (and even moreso recently, since Shapiro's "ideas" seem to reflect reality :-) ), but Haas isn't even on TV anymore. At the risk of fantasy booking, something attracts me to the idea of Benjamin vs Booker T.
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.46
Track Mat: "I'm wishing and hoping and praying and beseeching for a Shawn/Edge hair vs. hair match."

Send those good thoughts in the direction of something else that would be cool, 'cause they didn't shoot the Angle/Michaels angle at the Rumble just for sumtin to do.

Shhhhh: "I like the Hassan idea."

I can see it, though I kind of hope Mania ends up like SummerSlam wherein all the crappy new characters of the last four months get miraculously left off the biggest show.

"I loved Shapiro's Benjamin v Haas idea a while back"

So do *I* ...

"but Haas isn't even on TV anymore."

... which is a pretty huge deterrent. If only instead of Orlando stealing the U.S. title from Cena through massive interference, you could have Haas be the lucky beneficiary, setting up an IC champ vs. U.S. champ interpromotional matchup for the fun of it.

"and even moreso recently, since Shapiro's "ideas" seem to reflect reality :-)"

Oh, if only. Benjamin and Haas were not 1 and 2 in the Rumble, alas alas, but their brief reunion did make up for it.

"At the risk of fantasy booking, something attracts me to the idea of Benjamin vs Booker T."

And that something is segregation.
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.47
Orlando Jordan for U.S. Champ? Is that even necessary? In the slightest?



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.46
No. It's not, AFAIK, on da books, and it's not my suggestion either. I was referring to some idea someone had sometime in some thread about something.
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.25
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    And that something is segregation.


I knew I got the idea from somewhere. :-)

    Originally posted by JustinShapiro way back
    I am kind of thinking Guerrero vs. Carlito, probably with Chavo and Jesus involved? Latino Heat vs. Caribbean Cool. Perhaps because I subconsciously want to segregate the Hispanics.

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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
I think the "OJ as US champ" thing came from one of the sheets as 'talk' - but probably nothing more than the usual "everyone else in the group has a belt - they probably could build an angle around him trying to get one too."

Controversal Digression!!!: As a screwjob title drop, OJ is better than Kenzo or Dupree would've been.

Shelton in bind because the heels above him are either not good workers (Snitsky) or otherwise busy (Edge, HHH) or not the right guys for a WM opponent (Flair), and the guys below him don't have much credibility to take him on. I would love to see, say, them find a way to build up Stevie as a legitmiate contender. But I think a mutual lack of options means it'll be Hassan.



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.72

The IC title picture has become extremely stale. Whereas Smackdown has a somewhat abundance of mid-card heels (Dupree, Suzuki, Reigns, Jindrak, Jordan, etc.) that could easily be the next U.S. champion, RAW is caught between as a rock and a hard place when it comes to Shelton's challengers.

Christian is one of my faves, but I don't really want to see him challenging for the IC title AGAIN ...

If Edge challenges again, it's almost like he's falling a couple of rungs on the ladder that he has been climbing.

As for Maven, Simon Dean, etc. ... no thanks ...

I liked the Stevie suggestion. That would be a great mid-card feud, but alas, we all know that it will never see the light of day.
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.44
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    I was referring to some idea someone had sometime in some thread about something.
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    I think the "OJ as US champ" thing came from one of the sheets as 'talk' - but probably nothing more than the usual "everyone else in the group has a belt - they probably could build an angle around him trying to get one too."
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.32
I LOVE the idea of a Shelton-Haas champion vs. champion inter-promotional match up at WM21.

I drool at the thought of it.

I've wanted Haas to turn heel for awhile now. (Creative hasn't done s--- with him as a face lately).
At one point I saw him as a nice fit as a fourth member of Angle's group.

I would also appreciate a Haas US title run. But, how does this set up Cena-JBL.

With Long stating on SD that if Batista went to SD he would set up a triple threat for the ME at WM21(on the SD side) it could be JBL v. Cena v. Batista or JBL v. Angle v. Batista.
Or even Show v. Cena v. Batista.

You get the idea.

And, could this be a way for Bischoff to set up a triple threat on Raw with the whole, "I'll do Long one better and throw Orton in the mix"?



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.72
With the lack of RAW mid-card heels, Big Chuck Haas would be a sight for sore eyes on Monday Nights. But I guess they'd wanna leave Miss Jackie on Smackdown, so I don't see him coming over, but you never know.

(edited by Mayhem on 4.2.05 0817)
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As good a match as it might be, we will not see Shelton vs. Haas at WrestleMania. Haas is an afterthought at best on Smackdown, and I don't see him going from Velocity regular to interpromotional WM match in the space of two months.

I agree with several of the others that Shelton vs. Muhammad is the most likely match. Say what you will about Muhammad, the guy gets heat. In addition, they could even do a reasonably intelligent storyline between the two playing off of those videos they showed about Shelton escaping gang life, combatting stereotypes and prejudice, etc.

Edge's name has been mentioned but the IC title would be a pretty visible demotion for him, as well as being very inconsisten with his character's attitude that everything but the world title is beneath him as he's been there and done that. At the same time, illogical as it is, I think a Benoit/Jericho vs. Edge/Christian tag title match could really turn some heads. At least Benoit and Edge have a past that could be played on to set it up if need be.

Finally, on the Orlando Jordan for US champ topic, I think that idea stinks. Orlando may be getting some face time now, but he's nothing special. I would much prefer to have Cena go into Mania still the US champ when he challenges JBL. Why not do title for title? Then, like after WM 6, they can have a tournament for the US belt and give the midcard guys something to fight for. I think that does more for everyone involved than a very obvious "he's winning the big title so he has to drop this one" switch that does nothing for everybody but provide predictable television.



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.46
"At least Benoit and Edge have a past that could be played on to set it up if need be."

As do Jericho and Christian. It is a really great idea, save two minor complaints:

1) The true transcendence of an Edge and Christian reunion was diminished when Edge kicked the crud out of Christian. Not that that's any reason not to do it; it's just a shame because my dream of their getting back together was as the culmination of some Evil Plan to screw a babyface, while J.R. says "Edge! and Christian! are together again! and may god have mercy! on all our WWE souls."

And that's where it looked like it was going in September, when Edge was starting a turn on Jericho, and Christian returned from his injury to attack him on the Highlight Reel, and Edge walked away like "tough break, 'junior.'" But that was the last of that. Anyhoo, that's no reason not to put them together as a unit -- not, as goes without saying, back to a midcard comedy tagteam, but as aligned heels like Michaels and Triple H in Degeneration X, with Tomko as Rick Rude.

2) The other thing is that Jericho vs. Benoit in a long singles Encounter might be a more appealing match for WM. But that was when it had been untapped for three years, and now they've given it away twice on TV in 2005, so someone would have to turn (no Japan spoilers, thx) or it'd have to be a gimmick match. Also, J&B vs. E&C in a tag team match given a significant chunk of time could probably be just as good as the singles match. But speaking of "visible demotions," it's just too bad for those four that wearing the tag belts now actually diminishes your value instead of adding to it.

(An excuse to hit one of my catch-phrases. How great it was indeed to get the belts back on a Real Tag Team like La Resistance in June instead of that loathsome pair of singles stars. All Benoit and Edge did with the titles was have great matches and make the belts seem genuinely important. I'm glad they gave that up for three more La Resistance reigns and their immortal feud with Tajyna.)

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I would agree with you, if not for the Benoit vs. Jericho submission match scheduled for Monday. Unless that match ended in some sort of screwjob (and I haven't read spoilers so I don't know, maybe it did) I don't see how you can drag that feud out to WM. Two runs on free TV kinda limit what you can offer on a PPV.

As for Edge and Christian, yes, having Edge attack him during that match a few months ago did hurt. Keep in mind, though, that they did work together at New Year's Revolution, or at least tried to, because it suited both of their interests. They could even play off that incident as part of the storyline..."can E & C get along for a chance at past glory?"



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.20
A roster shake-up is clearly needed as JBL really needs to work with guys like a Jericho or Benoit who really have nothing left to do on Raw and Raw really needs some of those midcarders and maybe even Eddy to freshen up muddled midcard.

This is slightly off topic, but anyone know where the Dudleyz have gone to?



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.29
I think its time to give Matt Hardy a push for the IC title when he comes back. Turn him heel and make him Shelton's opponent for Mania 21 or post Mania. I think Matt's proven himself to be a great singles wrestler and its time he got a serious singles title push. The division has grown stagnant again, and I think having Matt as a champion/contender would help.




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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.96
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    A roster shake-up is clearly needed as JBL really needs to work with guys like a Jericho or Benoit who really have nothing left to do on Raw and Raw really needs some of those midcarders and maybe even Eddy to freshen up muddled midcard.

    This is slightly off topic, but anyone know where the Dudleyz have gone to?

From what I remember, the Dudleyz are just taking some time off.
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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.76
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    ...with Tomko as Rick Rude.


Dude...That phrase is blasphemous.

    Originally posted by Mr Vile
    I think its time to give Matt Hardy a push for the IC title when he comes back. Turn him heel and make him Shelton's opponent for Mania 21 or post Mania. I think Matt's proven himself to be a great singles wrestler and its time he got a serious singles title push. The division has grown stagnant again, and I think having Matt as a champion/contender would help.


A lot of people would like to see that, but it presents problems. Well, really just one problem, with numerous prongs. First off, Matt Hardy needs to win when he comes back, or he may as well be fired. If they won't let you win your first feud after a six-month layoff, you ain't pickles. V1 may also have some "hey, we missed you" face heat coming his way, which is another reason not to put him with Shelton, who absofuckinlutely should be as well protected as possible, which feeds into the third prong of the arguments against. And that is how this definitely is not the right time for Shelton to lose the strap. A long dominant reign with the IC belt would do a world of good for it in terms of restoring it to the position of solid mid-card draw, and if he is going to chase someone, it shouldn't be someone who will be sucked back down into obscurity by the loss.

    Originally posted by Loco
    A roster shake-up is clearly needed as JBL really needs to work with guys like a Jericho or Benoit who really have nothing left to do on Raw and Raw really needs some of those midcarders and maybe even Eddy to freshen up muddled midcard.


Jericho and Benoit are the franchise faces of RAW, and the workhorses. You don't give away your only guarantees of a good match for just anybody. I do agree a change-up is needed, but I'd go with HBK for Brock, who appears to be returning sooner rather than later. Some quickie angle with the SD guys rejecting Brock would do the trick, and then send Shawn over. Post Mania, HBK's incentive could well be revenge for his Wrestlemania defeat at the hands of Kurt Angle, but of course, that requires Shawn jobbing in a less gynaelogical way than he did to Edge at the Rumble. However if done, Shawn has programs with Eddie, Angle, Mysterio, Taker, Booker, BigShow, JBL, and RVD, any or all of which could be massively entertaining and most importantly never-before-seen programs.

And if you want to elevate, Shawn could be used to help with Haas, Cena, or Carlito. I can't think of one person would could have more of a show-changing impact than Shawn.

(edited by Hogan's My Dad on 6.2.05 1755)


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