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The W - Pro Wrestling - Shane Helms: Matt Hardy Protegé (Page 2)
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#21 Posted on
I think Shawn put over the right amount of guys, but when he decided to bury you you were pretty much screwed.

Vader is probably the poster child for HBK burial jobs. The WWE finally got a big man that could work who wasn't the Undertaker and they couldn't put him over because of Shawn. I don't even remember the why, but Vader was more or less done in the US after that.



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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.00
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    I think Shawn put over the right amount of guys, but when he decided to bury you you were pretty much screwed.

    Vader is probably the poster child for HBK burial jobs. The WWE finally got a big man that could work who wasn't the Undertaker and they couldn't put him over because of Shawn. I don't even remember the why, but Vader was more or less done in the US after that.




In his defense, Shawn buried Vader because Vader wasn't a very good worker who was eating up quite a bit of airtime in their attempt to get him over as a monster heel (which wasn't working all that well, as I recall).

Vader was pretty agile for his size, but he was also sloppy about protecting the people he was wrestling with and I think that's what pissed Shawn off.

That doesn't excuse Shawn's in-ring tantrum that he had at that one In Your House PPV; but I can see his side of things. I don't think Vader was going to get over no matter how he might've been booked.

Now; if he'd been in the WWE in the mid-80's as the big monster heel for Hogan to feud with, that would be a different story.


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I think comparing Flair putting people over to HBK putting people over is like comparing the horsepower of a Porsche to the horsepower of a mini-van or the caro-space of the two vechiles - and it's neither guy's fault.

Flair was a product of the territory days. His job was to go from town to town and make the "local legend" look like a million bucks and squeak out of town with the title. A lot of his rep his built on those performances with the Von Erichs, Terry Taylor, et al. Then later when NWA/WCW was less territorial and more of a promotion, he made Sting.

I'm a Flair mark, but I also appreciate HBK's body of work. I'd be willing to wager that HBK could have been just as good as Flair at going from town to town and making the local guy look like a star if that had been his job.

As for Helms? He got what he wanted, we're talking about him.



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#24 Posted on
    Originally posted by PaulKTF
      Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
      I think Shawn put over the right amount of guys, but when he decided to bury you you were pretty much screwed.

      Vader is probably the poster child for HBK burial jobs. The WWE finally got a big man that could work who wasn't the Undertaker and they couldn't put him over because of Shawn. I don't even remember the why, but Vader was more or less done in the US after that.




    In his defense, Shawn buried Vader because Vader wasn't a very good worker who was eating up quite a bit of airtime in their attempt to get him over as a monster heel (which wasn't working all that well, as I recall).

    Vader was pretty agile for his size, but he was also sloppy about protecting the people he was wrestling with and I think that's what pissed Shawn off.

    That doesn't excuse Shawn's in-ring tantrum that he had at that one In Your House PPV; but I can see his side of things. I don't think Vader was going to get over no matter how he might've been booked.

    Now; if he'd been in the WWE in the mid-80's as the big monster heel for Hogan to feud with, that would be a different story.


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He got over fine in WCW. He beat the ever loving crap out of Sting(cracked his ribs), and Sting didn't throw any hissy fits. He put Vader over and made him in North America at least. Vader was pretty over heading int his feud with HBK. He would have been a good opponent for Austin back during Austin's run at the top but, Vader was dead in the water by then.



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