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#21 Posted on
You worked in a theater a few years back. Did you let them in? If so, isn't that your fault and the fault of the parents for letting them in - and not the fault of Hollywood for producing it?



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#22 Posted on
Most Wal-Marts take the time to card kids who try and purchase 'M' rated games. But I don't if you have those problems at Best Buy, or game stores like EB.

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Actually, I would say you could definately purchase it at Best Buy. Don't know about others though.



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#23 Posted on

    Originally posted by DMC
    "My next query would involve how stringently these video game ratings are applied in the stores and if younger childern are ever allowed to buy an "M" rated game. Is it anything like how kids of any stripe are seemingly let in to just about any R rated movie they want to see?

    DMC

    (edited by DMC on 17.10.02 1721)



I was in EB today when a kid came in to buy GTA:VC. The salesclerk turned him away because he wasn't old enough to get it. A few minutes later he comes in with his Mom and she starts yelling at the clerk because he wouldn't sell her son the game. The clerk tries to explain that the game is for Mature gamers and he didn't have the proper ID, but she just continued her tirade. He let her prebuy the game, but he turned to me and told me it happens all the time and he wouldn't be surprised if she came back once it was out to return it because it was inappropriate. Idiots...



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#24 Posted on
Jkyle.com says:


    Originally posted by vsp
    Look, there is a DAMN good reason not to buy this game, and it's right on the cover.

    The word "Acclaim."

Now THAT made me laugh out loud literally.

I also appreciate the Bruce Campbell quote.

The way I see it, little kids should be kept from violence AND sex on equal grounds. The fact that sex takes precedence over violence as a taboo is ridiculous. I'd rather an 8 year old watch uncensored Sailor Moon than Friday the 13th, but that's just me.

I doubt my opinion is as valid as an actual parent's, so WHAT DO YOU THINK DEAN~?





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#25 Posted on
In MY house, MY ratings apply, and that means that even 40-year-old men are not allowed to buy GTA, because there is a nine-year-old boy in this house. That game is not breaking the plane of my front threshold. Even if that 40-year-old works in the videogame industry and claims it's for "research". Nice try--it's Super Mario Sunshine or nothing, boyo. ;-)

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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.87

    Originally posted by AngryJohnny
    The fact that sex takes precedence over violence as a taboo is ridiculous. I'd rather an 8 year old watch uncensored Sailor Moon than Friday the 13th, but that's just me.
My son is 7, so let me try and explain why "sex takes precedence over violence".

I let my son play Driver 2. I truly believe that this will not teach him that crashing cars, stealing cars, and evading police is cool and acceptable. Other games with shooting, stabbing (Army Men game stuff) - same thing. In my opinion, it is easy for me to tell my son "this is only a game" and I know he can play these games without getting the stupid idea in his head "Hmmmm. Driving is easy, there are my dad's keys, and I am tall enough to see over the dash..." Maybe it is because how I am raising him, but I think a parent needs to make a decision about what their kid can handle realistically, and what they might not be able to handle. To me, violence is relatively easy to explain and is less likely for my son to mimic. Profanity, no matter how tame (Crazy Taxi, for example) is harder. My son thinks someone saying "You suck!" is funny, so he is more likely to say something like that. Nudity is also tougher for a 7 year old. He thinks "boobies" is a funny word, knows what they are, but I am under the thought that he can't really deal with the whole sex-thing yet. Even when he gets older, nudity/sex will probably more enticing or attainable than car theft, shooting, stabbing, or any general lawlessness. I think that is a common thought for parents (at least ones I know who give a crap about what their kids play/do/watch). That is why I would be more apt to let him watch mildly violent movies (not Braveheart or American History X violent) than a movie with a sex scene or obvious nudity. Hope this makes sense.

Also, I agree with Madame Manga's opinion about me not playing games that he is not allowed to play. My movies though, are different. That would probably be a long-winded dissertation that no one is interested in!



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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.52
About the “letting kids rent/buy/watch R-rated movies and M-rated games”...

As a lot of you are probably aware, I work at Blockbuster. Blockbuster's policy regarding R-rated movies and M-rated games is to let the parents decide whether or not to allow their children to rent or buy them. When a parent fills out for a Blockbuster card, they choose whether or not they will have a youth-restricted account. If they choose the youth-restricted option, Blockbuster employees are not to allow their children to rent or buy R-rated movies or M-rated games without an adult with them, under any circumstances. I mean, they're actually sending kids into the store to test our compliance with this policy, and those who aren't following the policy can get written up or fired.

You'd be amazed at how naive most parents are when it comes to M-rated games. Video games aren't just Ms. Pac Man and Frogger anymore, you know. Within the last few years, video games have become a legitimate entertainment medium, right up there with movies. There are games out, such as GTA3, that I wouldn't allow my children to play (if I had children).

Whenever I can, I try and make it a point to educate my customers about video game ratings. My Blockbuster store supplies ESRB brochures for this purpose. I talk to my customers about the content of certain M-rated games, and explain to them that a lot of M-rated games are at least as bad as R-rated movies. That's why the rating system exists in the first place.

So whenever a customer and her children come up to my register, and her children are excitedly clutching M-rated games, I make sure the customer is aware of what her children are renting. It covers my ass later (“Why the hell did you let my kid rent this game?”), it helps customers make more educated choices, and it's one less violent thing to expose the kid to. (Of course, there's still network television.)

What it all boils down to, though, are two words: parental responsibility. If you know your kids are renting M-rated games, and I explain to you why this is a bad thing and you ignore me... if you're upset by what they're renting, don't come bitching to me.



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#28 Posted on
That was a pretty damn good post. Blockbuster still needs to get their asses together with lower prices, more coupons, and free rental promotions, though.

Until Then! Hollywood Video! They can rent scat porn to five year olds if they want- god damnit, I want my 99 cent rentals.

And not to question your parenting (oops), but shooting and stabbing is ok, boobies are not?

Then again, the idea of doing something to potentially lower the population, rather than do something that can make it grow larger might not be so bad. Tee hee!



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#29 Posted on

    Originally posted by DMC
    "1) DMC - This is not a video game for kids. It is a video game for adults. Don't mistate what it is - that's what the M rating is for. As a 28 year old male, I should be able to buy it if I want to. Don't forget - the 18-31 male demographic includes exactly ZERO children."

    Then my next query would involve how stringently these video game ratings are applied in the stores and if younger childern are ever allowed to buy an "M" rated game. Is it anything like how kids of any stripe are seemingly let in to just about any R rated movie they want to see?

    DMC

    (edited by DMC on 17.10.02 1721)



I worked at Toys-Backwards-R-Us for a few Xmases. When we would scan an "M" rated video game (the only objectionable things we really carried - the only movies we have are stuff kids watch and our CD section doesn't veer too far away from Britney Spears), a screen would come up saying to check for ID. We had to cancel the screen to go on with the transaction. There was no way to ignore it. If a kid bought a Grand Theft Auto game at our store, and wasn't with a parent, it was the cashier's fault. And it didn't happen often.

Believe me, I had to be the asshole who wouldn't sell some kid a copy of "Conker's Bad Fur Day" because he was sixteen. I felt like a dick, but I did it.

Generally, we'd explain the games to parents buying them for their children for Xmas if it was something that. "Conker" really confused a lot of people.

That said, if I want to play a video game with gratuitious violence, or full-frontal nudity, or objectionable language, or anything else, as a 22-year-old adult, that's my business. And, believe me, at least half of the video game market started out playing Atari and Nintendo when they were kids, but they aren't kids anymore.

Of course, that guy on my avatar is my current favorite video game character, so I may not be the "mature games" guy anyway.



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#30 Posted on
What Avatar, Fuzzy?

-Jag :)



With poison running through your veins, and death marching solemnly towards you, heroic acts become more of a necessity as you see your time dwindling.

Vanquishing your enemies, making amends to those you have wronged, and leaving words of love and kindness for those around you become second nature as your own mortality looms

However, true strength lies not in these last desperate acts, but in the actions of one who has to get out of bed the next day and face the consequences of doing that which you believe is right.
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#31 Posted on
"You worked in a theater a few years back. Did you let them in? If so, isn't that your fault and the fault of the parents for letting them in - and not the fault of Hollywood for producing it?"

The only thing I would be concerned about with all this talk of carding and not allowing younger kids to buy an M game is this: Eventually, retailers, like many movie theaters, will get tired of having kids ask parents, or will get tired of carding younger-than-18-looking kids, will get tired of loosing money, and will just let it all happen whenever the initial outcries of danger about the games wear thin. Yes Guru I can't be quite sure, but I do believe there were times when we let younger kids into R rated movies without parental supervision or even approval. I didn't work the box office that often so I can't recall if I personally did any of that, but I may have. But this is just the thing that happens; partially out of laziness, out of a younger employee not wanting to seem "un-cool" to the younger customers, out of greed, etc. And you could get all the parents in the world to call the theater and complain, and while the theater may give lip service to the parental complaints, the situation would just keep going on.

So wouldn't at least SOME blame rest with the producers who put this hard-to-control stuff out there in the first place? Won't it eventually get into young kids hands more often than it is blocked?

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#32 Posted on
My take (not that anyone cares) on the sex and violence is this:

It's alot harder for a kid to find a girl to have sex with (let alone a place...I still have trouble and I live in my own apartment), than it is for that kid to spot Daddy's gun on the rack and point in the wrong direction. Or the kid could even just use a baseball bat to impale the neighbors cat on.



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#33 Posted on

    So wouldn't at least SOME blame rest with the producers who put this hard-to-control stuff out there in the first place? Won't it eventually get into young kids hands more often than it is blocked?


No blame lies with the producers. That's a concept I never get. That's like blaming the adult film industry for creating porn because some guy left his videos in the VCR and his kid saw them.

Listen, I like R rated movies. I am an adult. I realize there are children in the world, but I don't want everything to be dumbed down or sanitized just because they exist. I have every right to see them, and I am not to blame if someone doesn't control the access that their children have to media or games.

I 100% back the decisions made by the parents here... only they know what is right for their family and their community. I just don't want people taking away MY access to material that they don't want their children getting to.

There are so many solutions to stop children from getting access to this material, that I really don't think this should be an issue.

BTW: These include...

1) Don't give your kids $50 and walk away from them in a store. What the hell is your child doing with $50 by him or herself anyway? Shouldn't you be supervising what they do with this kind of money?

2) Don't give the kid a rental card - rent the movies / games with/for them. Yes, this is less convenient than releasing your children on the world and letting society care for them for you. Well, society didn't have kids - you did. Take responsibility.

3) Actually go with your children to the movies, rather than releasing them upon the public. A movie theater isn't a 2 hour babysitting break. If you are so concerned about what your children will think, then be there to explain situations that you don't think are appropriate, or be there to take them out of the theater if you don't approve of the content.

4) Use the features built in to your equipment. Most DVD players have a parental lockout feature where you can set the rating level. Cable boxes can block channels that you think are inappropriate. Aren't there TVs with V-chips now? Use the technology.

5) Know who your children's friends are, and get to know the parents. If they have different views about sex / violence than you do, then don't let your kids stay overnight at their house. You may want to keep the play activities at your house under your supervision to make sure that your standards are being kept.

All of this is much harder than trying to impose your will by legislation. Well, tough. I don't have children because I'm not willing to make that kind of time commitment right now. If I did, I wouldn't expect that my child rearing desires should override the rest of society.

It all comes down to the parents. Period. There is no blame for Blockbuster, the movie theater, or Toys R Us. It's nice that they do what they do to help - maybe even smart business since they know that a lot of parents are lazy - but it's not required.


(edited by Guru Zim on 18.10.02 1131)


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#34 Posted on
Guru: As always, required reading for, well, everyone. Thanks for bringing the rationality.



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#35 Posted on
In my first post, I kind of danced around the issue, let me meet it head on:

The reason that I feel sex is looked down on in entertainment more than violence is because of a simple fact: Sex is legal. Violence is not. That seems like a pretty big oxymoron until you break it down.

Violence is wrong. Nobody's ever going to dispute that, really. Religion or not, it is morally wrong to hurt someone, to take something that doesn't belong to you, to incite violence and/or mayhem, etc. But therein lies the key. It's very easy to point out to children, "That is wrong. That is illegal. Don't do that." Plus, it's easier for kids to grasp, "Hey, if I hurt someone I can expect some sort of punishment."

Thus, with things like wrestling or action movies, it's very easy to seperate from reality. People don't actually act like that, and people who do, get in trouble one way or another. Like I said, very easy to point out what the flaws are in violence. "Wrestling is acting. If it were real people would get hurt. People DO get hurt just from acting. Therefore, its not something that people who aren't trained to do should do."

It's a lot harder sell with sex. How do you explain that sex is wrong, when inherently it's not? How do you convince a little girl that although its ok for Britney to dress like a slut, its not ok for her? How do you explain to a little boy that girls aren't objects to be fawned over, when he can see a rap video with a guy groping ten women or a girl who throws herself at any guy who comes on to her in a movie?

Sex (between two consensual adults, of course...) is not illegal, therefore it's fair game. You can't SAY there's something wrong with it, when at the heart of the issue, there really isn't. Thus explaining why something is innappropriate, but not illegal, is very dicey, especially with kids. There's consequences for violence. Very real, very solid ones. For sex, there are consequences, but they aren't ones that are concrete and finite, that kids, especially younger ones, can really grasp.

Kids are in themselves pretty smart, though, I like to think. But the Hollywood message for sex is: Sex is great, as long as you get your jollys, but rape is bad. The last message is good, but the first message isn't. For adults who understand what this really means and everything that goes with it, maybe it is, but for kids who are only taking the surface message (sex is cool, sex is fun) they aren't getting the whole idea. But again, there's nothing you can say about it being "wrong" except in a strictly moral sense.

So when you have a game like Grand Theft Auto, you can say "Ok, yeah, blow up the car with your rocket launcher, because honestly, you know you can't do that in real life. And if you could, you know that it'd be pretty stupid to do it. Not only because it's bad, but because there are very real, very severe consequences." But with a game like BMX XXX it shows, "Hey, this is what's popular. It's not bad. There are no consequences here!" Parents will be hard pressed to explain that while having boobs isn't illegal and giving private showings of said boobs isn't really illegal, it's probably not the right thing to do.

But honestly, as has been said: "The Playstation is not an baby sitter." It's a toy. One built as much for adults as it is children. Parents should be aware of this, and aware of what is going on with their kids. You can't sit your kids down to a game of Unreal Tournament and expect them to learn valuable lessons about friendship and morality. Decide what's good or bad for a kid, take action and responsibility in their life, and then maybe we won't have to argue about any of this. It's not Hollywood's job to educate, it's their job to entertain and to sell to anyone who can and will buy their product (with specific focus on men aged 18-35). It's the parent's job to individually act accordingly.



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#36 Posted on

    Originally posted by Jaguar
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#37 Posted on
The tricky thing now is that games & movies have evolved to the point where the "better ones" have more sex & violence. American Pie & Grand Theft Auto 3 make money. No doubt about it. And y'know what? Kids make money, too. More kids than ever have jobs, and since they don't have bills to pay, they blow their money on games & movies. And the better ones are *GASP* R/M-rated, so they try to rent or buy 'em. The producers have no blame. The stores have no blame. It's just a natural by-product of society. The stores just hafta make sure they stick to their policies and the parents have to make sure they know what their kids are up to. That's all!

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#38 Posted on
"The tricky thing now is that games & movies have evolved to the point where the "better ones" have more sex & violence. American Pie & Grand Theft Auto 3 make money. No doubt about it. And y'know what? Kids make money, too. More kids than ever have jobs, and since they don't have bills to pay, they blow their money on games & movies. And the better ones are *GASP* R/M-rated, so they try to rent or buy 'em. The producers have no blame. The stores have no blame. It's just a natural by-product of society."

Actually someone like Michael Medved may disagree with that. From the little I know (and from what I could tell by just working at a movie theater), rated G movies are consistently better box office attractions than rated R movies. So you have to refine what you mean by "better".

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#39 Posted on
The more people who CAN see your movie, the more people WILL see your movie. (With the exception being, of course PG-13, because that will rope more people in, especially teens, because it's not a "kids" movie, but it's one that you can get into).

I think the whole concept though behind the "R" is cool, is true. For alot of kids, there's a mystique about the R rating. If a movie is so violent/gory/explicit that they don't think kids can handle it, then it has GOT to be cool.





Since everyone else is doing it (ok, not EVERYONE, but...)

Vikings (1-4) - A win is a win.
Badgers (5-3) - Apparently the Motto is now "Wisconsin: Seeing How Many Close Games We Can Lose"
Twins (OUT) - Oh well, if we're still around next year...
Buffy 7.4 earns a 6.123 Out of 10 for being contrived and rather stupid. But at least the characters are less annoying than last season. And next week: All Anya, All the Time.
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