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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.31
As one event ends, a new era begins in the Marvel Universe:

SECRET INVASION #8: Ok, let's get this out of the way now. This issue itself didn't work to turn my opinion around on the Secret Invasion event. Hell, after all these months and all that buildup, the final battle was VERY anti-climactic and a lot of what WAS built up turned out to be irrelevant. Thanks for showing up, Marvel Boy. Ditto for The Hood. After getting two panels and running away, the Sentry never does return. Captain America gets ZERO dialog here. All in all, Bendis overhyped this event to the point that the final battle just couldn't deliver. BUT...I am extremely intrigued and giddy at the idea of Norman Osborn essentially becoming THE MAN in the Marvel Universe. As bad as I felt that Secret Invasion was, it resulted in a whole new, different, and interesting direction that I am eager to see where Dark Reign goes. Thumbs down on the issue itself, but I really can't wait to see what happens with Dark Reign.

BATMAN #682: Ok, I won't lie. I was one of the many confused by the ending of Batman RIP and was hoping this epilogue would clear things up. Well...sorry. Still confused. Better luck next week. This issue does work as a nice retrospective, though. Thumbs in the middle, leaning down.

JUSTICE SOCIETY OF AMERICA #21: The Kingdom Come storyline FINALLY gets its payoff as the JSA face off against Gog. It doesn't work quite as well as it should have and that's partly because of the AGONIZINGLY long buildup. But it's still a good one to check out in an otherwise slow week. Thumbs in the middle.

That's it for this week. Final Crisis gets its turn next week.




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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.03
I didn't get a chance to read SI#8 yet, because my shop wound up getting all of its books for the last TWO weeks delayed until Monday, but I did go ahead and read some of the spoilers. I have a question: I saw something that said Mockingbird turns out to be alive and well. Do they actually explain how this could possibly be the case? Bobbi had a pretty definitive death, and more importantly, some very definitive post-death appearances as a ghost.
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.31
    Originally posted by Tenken347
    I didn't get a chance to read SI#8 yet, because my shop wound up getting all of its books for the last TWO weeks delayed until Monday, but I did go ahead and read some of the spoilers. I have a question: I saw something that said Mockingbird turns out to be alive and well. Do they actually explain how this could possibly be the case? Bobbi had a pretty definitive death, and more importantly, some very definitive post-death appearances as a ghost.


Nope. No explanation whatsoever. But if we want one, we should apparently, by all means, run out and buy the next issue of New Avengers. Bendis should have an explanation ready to go by then...I think.

With two days having passed, retrospect is not helping here. That anti-climax feeling is still there and yet so much happened when looking back. One other thing that killed me was that the big question that was supposedly lingering throughout this series was "What happened to the heroes that were replaced?" and Bendis just conveniently answers it in a couple of panels with "They were in a spaceship". That's IT? THAT'S the explanation? And without even answering how long they were out for? ARGH!

But I do reiterate that if there's a positive to come out of all of this mess, it's that Dark Reign and The War of Kings could be the two most interesting storylines Marvel's had in years.




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Much like most of the "big event" stories of the past few years, I was underwhelmed by the ending to a story that started out with a good to great premise. The SI book itself seemed like more "traffic cop" for things that had to be explained in other books for it all to make sense (at least with Final Crisis, Morrison is grilled online for some explanations, we don't have to buy New Avengers, Mighty Avengers, The Initiative, etc. etc. etc. to get the full story but I'm a total DC-guy as an adult and am probably biased), the art was haw-rible, and it was just another lead-in to the next story.

(Spoiler) I have to ask what Bendis has against the long-lived Marvel female characters? He's offed/taken off the board the Scarlet Witch and now The Wasp with two of his big stories. You could argue that he's given us back Spider-Woman, but the one we've been reading about a Skrull since she came back into prominence (I guess). I have to wonder what horrors lay in store for The Black Widow and Fantastic Four fans had better hope Bendis doesn't gain control of that book and Sue Storm. Oh, and I guess he's given us back Mockingbird too. I guess "dead" is the new "hurt and out of commission until the next writer decides what to do with them."

Stop the ride, I wanna get off. And I am. Been looking for a "good" excuse to drop some Marvel books and had been assuming the ending of SI would give me a good outro to a lot of them and I was right. I'll still stick with Spidey, the Hulk (for the McGuinness~! art), Captain America and a few of the second or third tier books, but I'm pretty much off Avengers and X books for the forseeable future much to the relief of my wallet.

I am looking forward to the return of "Agents of Atlas" but not the $3.99 price tag per issue it's sure to carry.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.03
Okay, now I've had a chance to actually read the issue in question, and honestly I don't have a lot more to add to what's already been said. It's not very good, and it's a prime example of Bendis' shitty character dialog ("I'm going to make a statement." "I'm going to rephrase it in a slightly different fashion." "Rephrase it ?" "Rephrase it.") The one thing that really got me, though, was when all the captured heroes come out of the ship, they're accompanied by a bunch of SHIELD agents, and more importantly, a bunch of Hydra agents. Think about it. Enemy combatants, imprisoned by a mutual foe for an undetermined amount of time. I'd like to know what they talked about. You could tell some really powerful stories about coming to understand the enemy, but I sincerely doubt anything is ever going to come of it. And it's such a waste.
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.84
It seems the last month of SI was all just there to set up Dark Reign and to a lesser degree War of kings.
Which is intrigueing but I had hoped for more heroes vs skrull interaction and a big bang finale..

The wasp thing was interesting but she was dealt with two pages into the book, and the queen 3 pages in iirc.

Some of the side stories could have used some extra explanation in one of the avengers comics for instance (like what the prisoners did as pointed out) but I guess it's too late for that now as everything switches to Dark reign.





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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.36
The problem with Marvel's big event books has been the ending. If you go back and re-read everything from Avengers Disassembled to Secret Invasion, you will realize the side stories and some of the issues were really good. Civil War was the best thing Marvel did in years, but yet the end was a disaster. The ending to these things has no real finality to it and tends to leave the heroes in a worse spot then before. Plus, they tend use the big events to help clear up the mistakes of the last big event or lead to a series that will go nowhere or take a major character and utterly destroy him.

House of M helped cleaned up Hawkeye being dead from Disassembled. It also lead to a host of new X-Men books as well. Scarlett Witch now the face of fanboy hatred. Fans now pissed that the mutants are gone leading to civil war.

Civil War cleared up the whole no more mutants problem by showcasing non-mutant characters in big roles. It also helped make Iron Man more important then they ever were especially with his movie's hype machine starting up. Civil War also lead to Spiderman being a shell of his former self. It also leads to Avengers Intative. Fans pissed over Cap's defeat/death, registration and Tony not getting his just deserts leads to War World Hulk.

World War Hulk cleaned up the Civil War bad taste by Hulk slamming Tony and Reed around why Sentry of all freakin people gets the main event push. Hulk becomes another shell of his former shelf and we get a book dropping of new Hulk books including a relaunch of the Jolly Green Giant. Fans still pissed about registration, Sentry being in a role that should be set for Thor return and Tony still smelling like a rose leads to Secret Invasion..

Secret Invasion cleans up the Tony being the biggest douche in the Marvel Universe. Cap and Thor are proudly shown through out the book as heroes while Sentry goes to the back of bus to where he belongs. Fans confused by a "Secret" Invasion when the skrulls have all this firepower to start with why would they wait. Fans pissed of Norman "Should have stayed dead even in the movies he is dead." Osborn being Earth's hero and new leader of Shield 2.0. Spidey still stuck in 70/80s hell and now we lead to new books like Dark Reign and more side books.

In all of these examples you would think Marvel would learn their lesson. Granted, I do think some of the complaints are just fanboy net bitching and all of these books sell well. Yet, Punisher just tanked at the box office, books are now up to $4.00 a book in the middle of recession, comic book jobs will be cut soon and your last major story fell flat on its face again. Add to the fact Magneto got put on hold as a movie and Robert Downey is starting to question the Avengers movie plan. Perhaps of Marvel should just focus back on telling great stories and not wrechk household named heroes all in the sake of pleasing one "Marverick" Editor in Cheif.

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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.89
lotjx, I agree completely. These big events used to be special and unique (Mutant Massacre for example). Now they are a dime a dozen and the impact of each big event gets diminished. I would love a moratorium on these events for the next two years. Let's just have some good quality storytelling in individual books rather than the gimmicky big event.



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.36
I remember watching Attack of the Show and they had Bendis on the day after Secret Invasion began. Perria asked him if the "Big Events" were too much on the fans and their wallets. Bendis' reply was "People who say they don't want big events obviously don't like fun and action." I took exception with that. You can have fun and action without having to shell out over $50 dollars to read a story and its side books.

I also don't see the fun of what Marvel has done with its characters since the "Big Events" started with Avengers: Dissembled. I don't see fun in killing Steve Rogers to give his mantle to his sidekick, I don't see any real action in Peter making a deal with Satan so they can re-tell most of the boring stories that were done in the 70s and 80s, I don't see the fun in making Tony such an asshole that is almost impossible to right him as a hero and I don't see the action of making a Superman rip-off someone special. The most important thing I don't see is my spending money on a Marvel title which I haven't done since Joss left Astonishing.

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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.19

I love Morrison, but Final Crisis makes my head hurt. So much oddness.

I've had my books from the last two weeks for about a day and a half now, and have only 3 or 4 of them.

No motivation to read them.





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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.72
    Originally posted by DrewDewce
    Much like most of the "big event" stories of the past few years, I was underwhelmed by the ending to a story that started out with a good to great premise. The SI book itself seemed like more "traffic cop" for things that had to be explained in other books for it all to make sense (at least with Final Crisis, Morrison is grilled online for some explanations, we don't have to buy New Avengers, Mighty Avengers, The Initiative, etc. etc. etc. to get the full story but I'm a total DC-guy as an adult and am probably biased), the art was haw-rible, and it was just another lead-in to the next story.

    (Spoiler) I have to ask what Bendis has against the long-lived Marvel female characters? He's offed/taken off the board the Scarlet Witch and now The Wasp with two of his big stories. You could argue that he's given us back Spider-Woman, but the one we've been reading about a Skrull since she came back into prominence (I guess). I have to wonder what horrors lay in store for The Black Widow and Fantastic Four fans had better hope Bendis doesn't gain control of that book and Sue Storm. Oh, and I guess he's given us back Mockingbird too. I guess "dead" is the new "hurt and out of commission until the next writer decides what to do with them."

    Stop the ride, I wanna get off. And I am. Been looking for a "good" excuse to drop some Marvel books and had been assuming the ending of SI would give me a good outro to a lot of them and I was right. I'll still stick with Spidey, the Hulk (for the McGuinness~! art), Captain America and a few of the second or third tier books, but I'm pretty much off Avengers and X books for the forseeable future much to the relief of my wallet.

    I am looking forward to the return of "Agents of Atlas" but not the $3.99 price tag per issue it's sure to carry.


You know, I can't help but wonder if this was the ending for SI that Bendis dreamed up 4-5 years ago when he started planting the seeds for this story. It just sets up ANOTHER event? After building this thing up for so long? Smells fishy. Telling most of the story as a flashback with narration also made it feel like an afterthought. I am not saying I don't like the premise of Dark reign, but I just question how they (seemingly) shoe horned it into the end of SI. The death of Wasp meant little to me, partly because I never cared for the character, but also because it was so vague that I can see them bringing her back at any time.

I, as well, have been looking for any reason I can to scale back the books I buy (BABY DUE IN 3 WEEKS! AHHHHH!!)
so this helps me as well. At least Hulk, Cap, and Daredevil haven't been affected by SI, and I hope that trend continues.

DC bounced back this week with the best FC issue so far, but I am still waiting for everything to make sense on that one. That's Morrison for you, though.

Agents of Atlas for $3.99? Ugh. Throw that one on the "wait for the discounted trade" list for me, a list that is getting bigger and bigger all the time.




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