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#21 Posted on
Well it's over now...and for the record, Michaelangelo is my real name, I just don't reveal my last name.

Also, guess what I just got in my mailbox. It's a copy of an e-mail sent on January 8th to Mr. Derek Burgan from one of his readers.

The letter tells Derek that someone on Slashwrestling.net has, and I quote:

"totally ripped off your GOOD, BAD, AND UGLY FORMAT"

The letter goes on to apologize for stirring up the trouble between me and Derek. For this, I thank you sir.

So it would seem that this is definitive proof that Derek went ahead and accused me of stealing his format before he bothered to even send me an e-mail and ask or check to see just what my column was all about.

Good show Derek. Take care of yourself.



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#22 Posted on
Regardless, I will comment on his retort in my column this week and that will be the last I speak on this matter so we can all get on with our lives.
***"Michaelangelo"

Well, at least you almost lasted 24 hours, I guess I should give you some credit for that.

You are a true model of restraint.
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Derek, how can I put this.... You're not exactly winning the battle in the arena of public opinion here.

I wouldn't mind your continued presence in this thread if you would actually directly respond to the many points made, but if all you're gonna do is make snippy one-liners and ignore people like Rockstar, we'd all be much better off if you just let it go. Just let it go.



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#24 Posted on
IGNORE ME? HOW DARE ANYONE IGNORE ME! I'LL USE ALL CAPS! LET'S SEE YOU IGNORE THIS!

Uh, what? It was just a swerve? Wait, that was the Smarks thing. And I take a guess that my post was too long for him to read. Hell, after I posted it I looked at it and said "holy long-winded-blowhard, rockstar!"

Um, anyway, just to prove that wrestling fans aren't the only morons roaming the planet that have silly internet feuds, peep dis: http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20020130-73769207.htm

(I'm not going to try to figure out how to make that a link. If it shows up as one, then MAGIC! If not, cut and paste.)

It looks like someone has decided that they're gonna try to outdo the Drudge Report and have publicly called Matt Drudge out over their respective websites. Drudge said that the challenger used to be a baby and grew up to be a monster, which is confusing on a number of points and may be alluding to a possible angle with Mike Tyson (even though it isn't entirely clear that Tyson was ever a baby). Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on your perspective) there have been no accusations, serious or sarcastic, of plagiarism, but I haven't had time to check all of the archives and taglines yet.

[EDIT: MAGIC! - CRZ]

(edited by CRZ on 30.1.02 0725)
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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
wow...how could anyone ignore all the valid points and statements that rockstar wrote, or was a someone doing his best Bevis & butthead impression [uh...words...uh..words...more words...]

bravo rockstar

long story short...bad joke taken seriously, gauntlets thrown, all misunderstanding, now let us go live our lives in peace...





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#26 Posted on
Alright, I guess I should get the quick little things first.

CRZ- I'm not quite sure that I would ever win a battle of public opinion versus a member of slashwrestling on a s.w. messageboard. I thought it was a valid point to make to point out the "Michaelangelo" clearly and repeatedly said that he would make one last word in his column and then would never talk of it again. Somehow, several s.w. readers interpreted this as some sort of "high road" (which, obviously is ridiculous). It is pretty ironic, at least I would think, for the person who unabashedly accused me of lying and hypocricy and just about everything other than the unsolved Boston Strangler crimes, couldn't even keep off the subject for even one day.

And every poster, every person who said "Michaelangelo" was "right" and the "better person" for what he was going to do..well, not a single one of them called him on it.

Maybe CRZ you can do me a favor in your next post and explain that one to me. Why you yourself didn't ask the question. I'm sure if the situation was reversed it would most certainly be an issue.


As for Rockstar, I'll try to clear up some of his questions right here and now.

Given the nature of my taglines, I'm wondering what I could write (or could have written) that wouldn't have exacerbated the situation even farther. Here's how I probably would have tried it..

Derek Burgan writes Smackdown Express recaps every Thursday for PWTorch.com. He has heard all his life that there is "no such thing as a stupid question". Unfortunately this week he found that not to be true. He would like to apologize to any and all readers who feel he was somehow targeting them in his previous comment on his "ideas being stolen". He in fact stole several of his column ideas over a decade ago from watching movies. He appreciates any and all comments/suggestions and can be reached at Derekburgan22@hotmail.com

Would this really have satisfied "Michaelangelo"? 1. I wouldn't have wrote it anyway seeing as how absurd I find the whole thing but 2. Wade has already told me when I referenced Bob Ryder that the Torch doesn't want any internet sites and or names written about because he doesn't want to get dragged into, how should I put it, this dumb shit. So putting "Michaelangelo" or "slashwrestling" would already be out and the fact that the taglines are written as smart ass would just continue to piss "Michaelangelo" off even more (or so I would assume).

I really had no idea that my comment about the Declaration of Indepence somehow made me a history major (jesus, I would have used obscure stuff like the Monroe Doctrine or the New Deal if I wanted to even get semi-obscure). I chose something that hopefully most would know, and maybe living in the area of the country where the American Revolution mostly took place, it's even more ingrained. If you honestly think that the great men of our country (and that being among thousands, Washington, Lincoln, Jefferson, FDR..endless) would ever hide behind screenames, or an alias or anything other than their real name...then I have no argument. That is such an absurd premise that I find it shocking, especially coming from someone who shows signs of above average intelligence. I could care less whether people have the guts or the integrity to actually take responsibilites for their actions, but for those who choose not to, it's hard to take anything they say seriously.

Change that, it's not hard...it's impossible.

The next points, in order:
A) I'm certain I could search the net to do "research" on these taglines, but since they are written in jest, it really doesn't wear on me that I don't. I had a lengthy "debate" with one of the people who emailed me about my lack of searching on the net. The only time I've ever looked for anything in my columns was for the trivia question (and even then I messed it up on the GTV one). But I will definitely give you the point, if I had searched the net, found "Michaelangelo's" GB&U and then tried to find out when he'd been doing it (through what, archives?) I would have either kept the same joke and just said, "who cares?" or made up another dumb tagline talking about the NFL.

B) I think this entire part of "Zim's" retort confused me. I don't even understand what the "lying" in order to "save face" was directly referring to. I probably didn't get my answer to come across well because I didn't understand the question.

D) "Zim" used "hit counts" as some sort of reason I wrote the tagline. I'm hoping everyone that still keeps up with this crazy subject now can see how ridiculous an assumption that is. Besides the obvious, where the hell does anyone get off saying Wade Keller wants to drive up his "hitcounts" through "flame wars". Keller is so far above that type of mentality that it actually pisses me off to read someone put those traits onto him specifically.

I can't answer the question as to whether Keller recieved any letters at all. I only assumed he did because someone on s.w. asked others to do so. I would think if I got some, then one of two insane sychophants of "Michaelangelo" would write Keller. I haven't heard from him, so who knows what happened. The day Wade writes me and says, "I'm sorry Derek, we can print your Smackdown report because of your joke that said the WWF writing crew is inconsistant at best. Place-your-name-here has written me and informed me that he has written numerous consistant storylines." is the day I just stopped writing about wrestling.

You close with writing, "It's unfortunate that you held off on your response unitl you had enough "proof"..blah blah blah...

I didn't hold back on anything. I did try to post on the message boards as soon as I saw them. After two fruitless posts, I decided I would just send the entire thing to CRZ. I either wrote him that very night, or the next morning. I'm sure he can verify that. As for why it wasn't seen earlier..I hate to sound sanctimonious or something (or even worse, cliched), but I do have a life that doesn't stop because of the s.w. messageboards. I sent my editorial to CRZ (and it was right after I wrote it, spellcheck and grammar check be damned). I've written back to every person that's wrote me on the subject (except for the few who blatantly said "Any and all emails on this subject from you (me) will be ignored and deleted" (you gotta love those acolytes). I have posted an editorial on s.w. mainpage. And I have tried to keep up with the messageboards. All while using my own name for my own opinions.

If that's not "above and beyond", than what is?


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Given the nature of my taglines, I'm wondering what I could write (or could have written) that wouldn't have exacerbated the situation even farther. Here's how I probably would have tried it..

Derek Burgan writes Smackdown Express recaps every Thursday for PWTorch.com. He has heard all his life that there is "no such thing as a stupid question". Unfortunately this week he found that not to be true. He would like to apologize to any and all readers who feel he was somehow targeting them in his previous comment on his "ideas being stolen". He in fact stole several of his column ideas over a decade ago from watching movies. He appreciates any and all comments/suggestions and can be reached at Derekburgan22@hotmail.com


Or maybe "Derek Burgan writes Smackdown Express...the accusation of plagiarism in last week's tagline was tongue-in-cheek and meant no harm...can be reached at Derekburgan22@hotmail.com"

The ellipses in there are for...oh, you figure it out.

Would this really have satisfied "Michaelangelo"? 1. I wouldn't have wrote it anyway seeing as how absurd I find the whole thing but 2. Wade has already told me when I referenced Bob Ryder that the Torch doesn't want any internet sites and or names written about because he doesn't want to get dragged into, how should I put it, this dumb shit. So putting "Michaelangelo" or "slashwrestling" would already be out and the fact that the taglines are written as smart ass would just continue to piss "Michaelangelo" off even more (or so I would assume).

We don't know whether or not it would have satisfied Michaelangelo, Raphael, Leonardo, Donatello OR Splinter (couldn't...avoid...TMNT joke...sorry...apologies...) because you didn't make an effort to try it. And I'm sure Wade would have had no problem with you running a named retraction if it meant clarifying your reckless accusations. Unless he has no Journalistic integrity.

I really had no idea that my comment about the Declaration of Indepence somehow made me a history major

It doesn't and I didn't say it did.

(jesus, I would have used obscure stuff like the Monroe Doctrine or the New Deal if I wanted to even get semi-obscure).

If you think the New Deal is semi-obscure...nevermind. The Teapot Dome Scandal is obscure.

I chose something that hopefully most would know, and maybe living in the area of the country where the American Revolution mostly took place, it's even more ingrained.

Ingrained or not, it's irrelevant to your defense of your accusations. If you want to make usage of screen names a point of contention, write another column. All anyone wanted from you was an explanation, not a history lesson.

If you honestly think that the great men of our country (and that being among thousands, Washington, Lincoln, Jefferson, FDR..endless) would ever hide behind screenames, or an alias or anything other than their real name...then I have no argument.

Being the master of tongue-in-cheek comments that you obviously are, why did you think I was serious? It's my own fault; I blantantly ignored my own comments about the lack of a sarcasm font on computers.

That is such an absurd premise that I find it shocking, especially coming from someone who shows signs of above average intelligence. I could care less whether people have the guts or the integrity to actually take responsibilites for their actions, but for those who choose not to, it's hard to take anything they say seriously.

What I want to know is this: what's the difference between a screen name and a pseudonym?

Change that, it's not hard...it's impossible.

If you don't want to acknowledge the validity of their statements, then yes it is.

The next points, in order:
A) I'm certain I could search the net to do "research" on these taglines, but since they are written in jest, it really doesn't wear on me that I don't. I had a lengthy "debate" with one of the people who emailed me about my lack of searching on the net. The only time I've ever looked for anything in my columns was for the trivia question (and even then I messed it up on the GTV one). But I will definitely give you the point, if I had searched the net, found "Michaelangelo's" GB&U and then tried to find out when he'd been doing it (through what, archives?) I would have either kept the same joke and just said, "who cares?" or made up another dumb tagline talking about the NFL.


This begs yet another question: if you didn't do any research, then how did you know that Mike was ripping off your "style?" To cover any other questions in this line that will surely come from your evasive answers, President Clint..."Mr. Burgan:" If you didn't know that he was ripping off your "style," then why did you tell him that he was when he emailed you? And if you didn't tell him that when he emailed you then why haven't you told us this yet? Saying it was "just a joke" doesn't cover that question: from both Mike's account and your account, it appears that you did tell him he was stealing your "style" which led to this hullabaloo.

B) I think this entire part of "Zim's" retort confused me. I don't even understand what the "lying" in order to "save face" was directly referring to. I probably didn't get my answer to come across well because I didn't understand the question.

We'll let this one go because I don't think anyone actually remembers what it refers to originally. I sure don't.

D) "Zim" used "hit counts" as some sort of reason I wrote the tagline. I'm hoping everyone that still keeps up with this crazy subject now can see how ridiculous an assumption that is. Besides the obvious, where the hell does anyone get off saying Wade Keller wants to drive up his "hitcounts" through "flame wars". Keller is so far above that type of mentality that it actually pisses me off to read someone put those traits onto him specifically.

Give me a fuckin' break. "Keller is so far above that type of mentality" my lily white ass. If he was so far above that type of mentality then he would have already squashed this situation by either printing a retraction of the accusation or forcing you to do so, because your statement implies that he has journalistic integrity and if he did have journalistic integrity he wouldn't allow his contributers to make reckless accusations like yours. Anyone with half a brain can take a look at your orginal comments, Mike's side of the story and your refusal to answer questions by either dodging them, claiming not to understand them or asking new questions altogether as proof that you're just being a jackass.

(Note to CRZ and Guru Zim, our beloved admins: I apologize for the tone of that paragraph for obvious reasons.)

I can't answer the question as to whether Keller recieved any letters at all.

Then why did you bring it up?

I only assumed he did because someone on s.w. asked others to do so. I would think if I got some, then one of two insane sychophants of "Michaelangelo" would write Keller.

Ahh, the "moronic sycophant" defense. I wonder if this is as convincing as Johnny Cochran's "Chewbacca" defense.

I haven't heard from him, so who knows what happened. The day Wade writes me and says, "I'm sorry Derek, we can print your Smackdown report because of your joke that said the WWF writing crew is inconsistant at best. Place-your-name-here has written me and informed me that he has written numerous consistant storylines." is the day I just stopped writing about wrestling.

What?

You close with writing, "It's unfortunate that you held off on your response unitl you had enough "proof"..blah blah blah...

Yeah, well you open, fill and close with blah blah blah so we're even.

I didn't hold back on anything. I did try to post on the message boards as soon as I saw them. After two fruitless posts, I decided I would just send the entire thing to CRZ.

Your first post was to tell us that you couldn't post and then you managed to edit that post to tell us that you still couldn't post. Why not stick your response in when you edited? And why even post to tell us that you can't post?

I either wrote him that very night, or the next morning. I'm sure he can verify that. As for why it wasn't seen earlier..I hate to sound sanctimonious or something (or even worse, cliched), but I do have a life that doesn't stop because of the s.w. messageboards.

I am so infuriated that you are implying that CRZ purposely sabotaged your attempt to explain yourself to protect a writer for his site that I'm going to infer from your comments that you're implying that CRZ purposely sabotaged your attempt to explain yourself to protect a writer for his site. Hey, if you can infer things that aren't there, I can too.

I sent my editorial to CRZ (and it was right after I wrote it, spellcheck and grammar check be damned).

Fact checking as well, I see.

I've written back to every person that's wrote me on the subject (except for the few who blatantly said "Any and all emails on this subject from you (me) will be ignored and deleted" (you gotta love those acolytes).

What's the APA got to do with this?

I have posted an editorial on s.w. mainpage. And I have tried to keep up with the messageboards. All while using my own name for my own opinions.

And God bless you for it.

If that's not "above and beyond", than what is?

I dunno...answering the questions that were posed, maybe? Without wrapping them in a package of unrelated comments?

To be honest, I didn't take a side on this till I read this post. As I said, I empathized with Mike for the accusations but I didn't take him at full face value because it's nice to give people the benefit of the doubt every now and then. It seemed like it might just be a big misunderstanding, but your refusal to own up to a bogus accusation or even properly respond to this is evidence that you, sir, are full of...

That is all.


(edited by rockstar on 30.1.02 2129)
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#28 Posted on
1 Thing For Derek

1: I don't think Derek is your real name.

You are (also) funny on many different levels but I'm not sure I want you to keep it up.



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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.25
Oh man I can't "read" for all the "ironic" "quotes"




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#30 Posted on
It's kind of a like a good point-counterpoint debate except that it sucks.
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For the record (again) my real name is Michaelangelo and I choose to omit my last name from my columns. It's a pen name that I have used for over 10 years and it doesn't belong in quotes.

Yeah Derek, I went back on my word. I brought to bear new evidence (the e-mail message I got the day after my column was posted) because I thought it had relevence. I'm a complete hypocrite, you caught me...although I could argue that my comment about saying no more only applied to my column and that the live message board doesn't "count."

...but I won't.

Finally, just to address all your historical posturing and your insistence that growing up in the Northeast where liberty and freedom began makes you more noble than others, let me say this:

I grew up in Providence, RI and live there today. Wanna go have a beer?



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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
...And now for something compleatly different...

"THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!" --Mrs. Lovejoy, The Simpsons

seriously though, this is silly...

Michaelangelo was accused of plagerising...which even I would take offence to if i was accused of such...

but both of them acknowledge that the "G,B,&U" format has been around for ever and both can co-exist...

from what i've read, Dude owes Micky-A an appology for that plagery (sp? too early to spell right) accusation.

I've also seen that dude doesn't think that his tagline counts as something serious that he has written and it HAS to be taken tounge-in-cheek...but what if i started a tagline:

Derek Burgan writes Smackdown Express recaps every Thursday for PWTorch.com. He is now Michaelangelos bitch. His favorite movie is Pulp Fiction, and loves the Gimp part. He also likes to take it in the rear and needs help. He appreciates any and all comments/suggestions and can be reached at Derekburgan22@hotmail.com


If I included that at the end of my posts as a "Tagline" then you can't take offence and it's a joke, just like how you thought your tagline was when this whole silly thing started...right? or do i need more sleep?



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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.21
    Originally posted by Derek Burgan
    If you honestly think that the great men of our country (and that being among thousands, Washington, Lincoln, Jefferson, FDR..endless) would ever hide behind screenames, or an alias or anything other than their real name...then I have no argument. That is such an absurd premise that I find it shocking, especially coming from someone who shows signs of above average intelligence. I could care less whether people have the guts or the integrity to actually take responsibilites for their actions, but for those who choose not to, it's hard to take anything they say seriously.

    Change that, it's not hard...it's impossible.








I take some offense to this comment about hiding behind screen names. If you are to believe Derek's response to a private email that I sent him, I was the first to send him comments on his tagline. As for screen names, I have use a screen name that has been my nickname for about 25 years. If you need my real name, Derek, you can right-click on that profile there where it has my real name, my real name email address, where I live, my birthday, my favorite TV show and whatever other personal info you need about me to ascertain whether my opinion might matter to you.

As Michaelangelo has said at least twice now, that is his real name as well.







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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.87
If you need my real name, Derek, you can right-click on that profile there where it has my real name, my real name email address, where I live, my birthday, my favorite TV show and whatever other personal info you need about me to ascertain whether my opinion might matter to you.

And here I was thinking Greg was your NICKNAME!

Derek - I appreciate the points you are trying to get across and I do see your point of view. The reason people are getting on you is a couple of reasons.

1) This IS a Slash forum as you said... But the main reason is
2) You're being rather hostile.

I know you're just trying to bring the facts and are probably rather irritated about the number of people that are NOT on your side for this whole affair, but hostility is just going to lead to the flames getting hotter, etc. The Internet is not the best place in the world to convey emotion, and for all I know you could be sitting at home, calm as a clam, or pounding away at your keyboard angrier than a bull having it's testicles squeezed.

This is an argument that isn't going to have any winners and losers - so the best bet at this point is to drop the issue. Michaelangelo didn't invent the format. Derek didn't invent the format.

That's it!




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#35 Posted on
Sorry, but...

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/const/fed/abt_fedpapers.html

"The Federalist, commonly referred to as the Federalist Papers, is a series of 85 essays written by Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, and James Madison between October 1787 and May 1788. The essays were published anonymously, under the pen name "Publius," in various New York state newspapers of the time."


Sheesh.
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Not to beat a dead horse anymore than it's already been beaten... I have something to add. On one hand you all wanted him and did everything in your powers to get this guy to post something. Well, he fianlly did it and guess what you guys don't like the answer. What were you guys expecting given the track record of this *feud* already. This is a SLASH board and it is probably in his best intrest to STOP posting here, at least on this subject, if he wants this thing to blow over at all. You guys are both writing a style that has been done before. I said it before and I'll say it again, net feuds are gay gay GAY.
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#37 Posted on
Umm, if you don't like it, then heavens! What in the name of all that is holy are you DOING by prolonging this thread?

(Hint: Don't answer my rhetorical question)



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#38 Posted on
Is it necessary to gang beat the bastard? Because I don't like something am I suppossed to ignore it? It's my right respond to something I like or don't like, unless I am banned.

If you don't want me to answer your rhetorical question than don't ask it out LOUD.
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Well, I don't think they're "gang beating" him. I think, given his virtual nonresponses the first three times he added something to this thread, and the implied tone and constant "quotes around peoples names" in his last probably moved some people to make their minds up. Given all THAT, I happen to believe the response could have been a lot worse. I'm glad it didn't....we still seem pretty civilised around here, at least in this thread... So I disagree with you there.

I think my big problem is, when you take a step outside the discussion at hand and move away from "talking to" to "talking about the people who are talking to," you are no longer adding anything necessary or relevant to the discussion. (Of course, being board dictator, everything I say is relevant, so I'm exempted from that theory. Neat, isn't it? ;-) )

It sure looks like Derek has proven he can speak for himself, so he probably doesn't need you talking for him. If people get tired of this thread, it'll stop. If things devolve into flames, I'll put a stop to it. I have a feeling we were pretty close to the diminishing returns point anyway, and most of the people here have learned when to just let it go - and I'm working on training the rest ;-)

And finally, I think you missed me pointing out the irony of you asking everybody to stop posting....by posting. So at least I can end on a larf. Ha ha ha.



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You might have a point there, BUT I never asked people to stop posting on the whole subject at hand. That was never my intention at all. Now as for pointing things out in a thread, that is a bit of a habit and it may be a *bad* one at that. I really didn't think that my post was outta line. I'll keep an eye on that stuff though.
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