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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.76
I don't see Big Poppa Pump's name listed on the RAW Superstars page. Was he let go at some point? I thought he was just out with an injury.

(edited by XPacArmy on 23.6.04 1047)

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    Originally posted by XPacArmy
    I don't see Big Poppa Pump's name listed on the Click Here (raw.wwe.com) page. Was he let go at some point? I thought he was just out with an injury.

    (edited by XPacArmy on 23.6.04 1045)


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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.64
I believe WWE is gonna' let him sit out for the remainder of his contract, and then not sign him anymore. So, yeah. He's as good as gone. It's too bad too. I mean, I know he's not a world-class worker. But they could have benefited from turning him heel and shipping him to SmackDown. That show needs all the help it can get.

(edited by OMEGA on 23.6.04 1057)


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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.26
Hmmmm, Rodney Mack and Johnny Nitro ain't there neither, and over on Smackdown there's no love for former Cruiserweight legend Jaqueline.

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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.06
They could have put Steiner in the tag division with Test or A-Train to give them something to do.

I can not beleive that a huge company like the WWE would let a high priced employee just sit at home and collect a paycheck until his contract runs out.

Steiner has, at the least, his name going for him and can generate a ton of heel heat. Put him in a program with an up and comer (Jindrak for example) and get that wrestler a little further over.





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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.61
    Originally posted by Wpob
    I can not beleive that a huge company like the WWE would let a high priced employee just sit at home and collect a paycheck until his contract runs out.


I agree with you, and I agree that in theory he could've helped Smackdown, but I think their reasoning for just keeping him on the shelf is that he's so injury-prone at this point that it's not even worth investing the time into creating a story for him.


    Steiner has, at the least, his name going for him and can generate a ton of heel heat. Put him in a program with an up and comer (Jindrak for example) and get that wrestler a little further over.


Kinda, but he hasn't been over in a long time after he shot himself in the foot out of the gate and WWE fans never really accepted him after that. He was getting mid-card over as a face during the Test feud that everyone said was just terrible, but when he turned heel it wasn't really working for him. I think the problem there is they really never presented him as an unpredictable monster, which is why Steiner was over in WCW. Of course, Steiner had no real competition as far as entertainment value went in WCW, so it was him, Booker T and Goldberg, and really only Booker T remained AS over in WWE as he was in WCW, and that took the time from them killing him to rehabbing him.

I think at the end of it all, they've just got a guy with no real market value left that doesn't present a real upgrade (or one at all) over Bradshaw in any way, plus he's far more likely to get hurt, and they have to have had enough of writing people out for injuries and such. They could release him and pay him X amount of money or keep him on the payroll for a little while longer, and if something freaky happens and they absolutely need him, they've got him there.

And I don't think Jindrak/Steiner would get Jindrak over. I don't think much of anything can get Jindrak over.



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.79

Yeah, this one still baffles me. Steiner could have added a lot to Smackdown as a good mid-card heel. Wonder if Jeff Jarrett already has him on speed dial?




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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.64
    Originally posted by Mayhem
    Wonder if Jeff Jarrett already has him on speed dial?


Possibly. But I think that Steiner is hurting real bad, and unless they can offer him a huge amount of money, he probably wants to just rest his body at this point.



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05

    And I don't think Jindrak/Steiner would get Jindrak over. I don't think much of anything can get Jindrak over.

Jindrak seems to be doing OK on Velocity. He's not mega-over, but he seems to be getting over a bit.



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.00
    Originally posted by XPacArmy
    I don't see Big Poppa Pump's name listed on the RAW Superstars page. Was he let go at some point? I thought he was just out with an injury.

    (edited by XPacArmy on 23.6.04 1047)


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I hope Steinie is gone. I was never a fan of his style even though he is a freak. He did a belly to belly on RVD this Survivor Series that almost broke his neck. And we don't want to see that happen.
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    Originally posted by ScottChrist
    I think at the end of it all, they've just got a guy with no real market value left that doesn't present a real upgrade (or one at all) over Bradshaw in any way...


I really covered this issue in my "Plug in Poppa Pump" post a few months back, but I'll reiterate. In the long term Bradshaw has more of an upside than Steiner, but considering both men's highest position on the card, it would've been far easier to position Steiner as an instant main eventer than the new John Bradshaw Layfield character. Most fans seemed genuinely intrigued by the new direction Bradshaw was taking, but were upset at having him forced down our throats as an instant championship contender, rather than having him build momentum in the upper midcard, where he could feud with the likes of John Cena or RVD, two men viewed as more deserving of a main event push. Plus, the amount of airtime devoted to JBL detracted from time that could have been spent giving momentum to the RAW draftees, something that the other show seemed to be seamlessly accomplishing. Pulling the trigger on the JBL main event push two months later minimizes the backlash, and probably bodes better for the long term success of the character; the writers wouldn't have felt it necessary to push the character into race-baiting to generate main-event-level heat, and in retrospect, maybe the incident in Germany wouldn't have happened. Thus, WWE could have had the long-term crossover promotion of having an up-and-coming superstar on CNBC every week.

This doesn't even broach the topic of the NATURE of JBL's push. John Bradshaw Layfield had ONE MATCH (maybe two) before his main event against Guerrero. That meant that similarly pushing Scott Steiner in that fashion (thus minimizing the potential for injury) would have been acceptable to Creative. And to reiterate, Steiner wouldn't have needed 20 minutes of camera time per show.

Because Steiner was a former World Heavyweight Champion, a man who pinned Goldberg, and was once thought of as the best wrestler in the world. Sure he had fallen in the eyes of the fans, but if WWE could sell Bob MUTHAFUCKIN Holly as coming back from an injury ready to kick ass and take names, they could sell us on Scott Steiner returning from injury as the Roid Raging Psycho that we all know and love. ESPECIALLY if he is changing shows; out of the long shadow of HHH, guys like Rene Dupree, Rico, and Booker T were given fresh starts in the fans' eyes. All Steiner had to do was show up on Smackdown, beat Eddie with a lead pipe, and spit out a few expletives, and he'd be accepted as a threat to Eddie. Smackdown loves feeding guys cruisers; Scotty 2 Hotty, Shannon Moore, and maybe Rey Mysterio could make him look like a million bucks en route to facing Eddie at the PPV. You're telling me that Scott Steiner playing the role of Bradshaw in the infamous "Mama Guerrero heart attack" wouldn't have seemed more menacing?

And the beauty is, Steiner could've been one and done. Eddie could've done the MASSIVE bladejob en route to carrying Steiner, then gone over strong with the Frog Splash. No harm done in the long term, because Steiner was leaving in a few months anyway. He could've gotten the Booker T spot against Undertaker. He could've eaten the F-U. THIS month, after having proved himself, putting JBL in as the #1 Contender would've seemed fresh. They could've sold the blood loss, or post-concussion syndrome, as a weakness for Eddie, as JBL's pinfall win in the tag match would've seemed more important.

No matter how you slice it, pushing JBL to the prime slot on Smackdown, while leaving Steiner to languish at home, was foolhardy.

(edited by thecubsfan on 24.6.04 0913)
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