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Since: 15.1.02
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#1 Posted on
Damn, I thought everybody liked Scott Steiner. He WAS one of the most technically sound wrestlers in the business. A true innovater like Kanyon and Dreamer, anyone remember that move where he'd have them up in the air like a suplex and then bring them down head-first like an inverted piledriver from hell!? That was the most devasting move I've ever seen. And the Frankensteiner...yeah so what he can't do it no more, he still invented it. Now he's just the meanest SOB, the best heel in years, maybe even more than HHH was. And the most intense guy I've seen, second only to Benoit maybe or the great Stone Cold himself. But I'm afraid he will pay a helluva price in a few more years. I'm sure he knew the consequences goin in. Now does anyone have an idea why BPP is not in the WWF already? I thought cuz of his injury but there must be something more because he's better now right? Anyone know?



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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.01
I think for a long time, he wasn't in the WWF because of a combination of his Time/Warner contract situation and the injury.

Now he's in the WWA.

He is one kick-ass dude, but the WWF already has tons of kick-ass dudes. And Steiner is a potential backstage problem.

At least, that's from what I've been told.



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Since: 15.1.02
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#3 Posted on
Oh yeah? Well some of the NWO members had backstage problems too. Buff Bagwell did but at least they gave him a chance. Clark and Adams did too and they were given a chance. He must have a pretty nasty reputation if the reason is because of possible backstage attitude problems. That's not in the interest of fairness, that sux.





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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
    Originally posted by NEO
    anyone remember that move where he'd have them up in the air like a suplex and then bring them down head-first like an inverted piledriver from hell!?


The Steiner Screwdriver? I think SeVen (don't know how to do a TM in superscript) has an animated gif of that knocking about in a thread in Random called the HHH gif in Seven's signature (or something like that).

Oh, and yes it ruled.



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Since: 25.1.02
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#5 Posted on
I think the actual problem is that Steiner's foot isn't 100% healed, and that the WWF doesn't want him if its not 100%.. I think that JR's take on this one is pretty damned logical, so its probably the truth.. because the foot is kind of required to do oh.. everything
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Since: 3.1.02
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#6 Posted on
I liked Scott Steiner... about ten years ago, before he stuck the air pump up his ass and left it running full blast.

Some issues:

* Steiner will clearly say anything that comes into his head on live TV. This is a double-edged sword; it can make for great TV, it can make for disjointed, erratic promos, and it can make for some serious PR/legal headaches for his employers.

* Physically, he makes 95% of the WWF look like TAKA Michinoku. It's like they glued the Giant Gonzales suit on him. He tends to have that "If I'm this big, why should I sell for this smaller opponent" disease, and I've ranted about that elsewhere as to how it makes matches suck. It also makes his moveset a shell of its former greatness.

* Where he goes, his brother tends to follow. Signing Scott is a gateway to getting Rick Steiner back on TV, AND THAT'S NOT A GOOD THING.

* Roid rage, baby. He's a notorious backstage problem, and they have plenty of those already.

* He has one of the dumbest-looking finishers in recorded history -- not the worst, but definitely in the top 10. A guy this big can't come up with (or can't execute) something more convincing than the Recliner?

That having been said... he's certainly not the worst they could bring in. (As in, he's not Hogan or Nash.) He did show a surprising flash of professionalism on the last night of Nitro, so once his leg is completely healed, I wouldn't be shocked to see the WWF bring him in.




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#7 Posted on
So he's in WWA wrestling injured? Not out of the ordinary and not very smart. That's pretty stupid if he knows can go to WWF once he's 100%. I also heard something about not being able to work a full WWF schedule which may also be true but that sux too cuz they all take some time off at one point or another. Maybe he's just too stiff to work with, who knows. I hope he shows up sooner or later though.



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On the point of his finisher, I honestly think that, were he to come back to the WWF, he would likely pick up a new finisher.. just because for the most part the WWF seems to shy away from submission finishers for most people.. because they aren't 'flashy' enough or something. The walls dont' finish Jericho matches anymore.. leaving oh.. Benoit and Angle with submission finishers.. and I have a nasty lurking feeling that the swandive will finish when Benoit returns. (Not to say I don't like it.. more to say I love submission finishers)

I guess it ultimately comes down to people losing more heat from tapping than from being pinned.
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#9 Posted on
I dunno, if I was Benoit's doctor, I'd be telling him that he's not allowed to do a swan-dive for 6 months, and then only on a PPV.

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I have personally thought steiner was one of the best workers in the busines... and when he picked up the BPP personality to be a heel then it showed how great he was... people just want to boo him... (i remember him and buff doing some Mark. M. skit)... and they want to watch him in awe of his sheer size...



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#11 Posted on
Steiner is good, but I wouldn't say he's all your making him out to be. Yeah he has some good moves, and some great looking suplexes, but he's really slow, and his interviews suck. Yeah so he'll say just about anything on tv, but he talks as slow as a four year old trying to read. And he's the best heel and years? I would take Stone Cold, THe Rock, HHH, Jericho, Angle, Benoit, and Jarrett as a top heel before him and with the exception of Jarrett they already have all those guys.

So personally I wouldn't take him, as for the why the WWF won't take him, who knows? Maybe they do have problems with him. Yeah they gave Buff and Adams and Clark a chance, but they've yet to give Jeff Jarrett or Shane Douglas a chance, so it's not like they're willing to sign anybody and everybody. Maybe it's a sitation like Mysterio where they are waiting for a roster split.



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#12 Posted on
SerWolfe wrote:
>(people) want to watch him in awe of his sheer size

What what WHAT?

If there's anyone out there who thinks this way, may I suggest that bodybuilding competitions are down the hall and to the left, likely buried in the wee hours on ESPN2 right after their Sumo programming.

We all know that Vince likes "big boys". Why he likes them so much is open to debate, but I won't go there. But there are a HELL of a lot of big men in wrestling who have no grasp of ring psychology, selling, timing, basic moves and counters, respect for one's opponent or match quality. This is why Sid has been a joke everywhere he's ever been. This is why Kevin Nash is a disaster, and the poster child for this problem; he has ZERO in-ring ability, but gets by because he's big, he panders to the crowd and he's got poofy hair.

Scott Steiner's not THAT bad. But he's deteriorated quite a bit over the last decade, and blown up like a balloon at the same time. There is a correlation between these two trends. That's a big reason behind his over-the-top outrageous antics, his "freaks" and his grossly overinflated physique -- he _can't perform in the ring_ the way he was once capable of. He had the "look" and the talent, with a fairly mild personality; when the talent dwindled, he had to crank the personality and the look up to 11 to overcompensate and stay in the game. He's not a total zero in the ring, and he still has potential -- but if you watch one of his early tapes and watch his recent body of work, you'll whimper at what could have been.

You can't survive on "the look" alone. If size, bulk and muscle were all that counted, the Pitbulls would still have careers, Lex Luger wouldn't be twiddling his thumbs in retirement, and Billy Gunn wouldn't be... still on US TV... okay, maybe you can survive for a while. But if you're deficient in the ring, the only things you can fall back on are looks and promos/antics -- and the latter will _always_ get old sooner or later. And if you get in the ring and play "I'm indestructable because I'm HUGE, and I'll no-sell to prove it," your matches will _always_ have the stench of utter suck.





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Since: 15.1.02
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#13 Posted on
STEINER'S INTERVIEWS DO NOT SUCK! He has a speech impediment
that's all....yeah right. He says some pretty crazy stuff on the mike and it might not always come out right. But that's not a bad thing ...that's a good thing called room for improvement. WWF has been known to work miracles in that department, case and point, Chris Benoit, nuff said. Now Angle, Jericho and Jarrett are decent heels but they don't scare nobody, they're too funny. Nobody fears those guys, they aren't mean, they're just cocky. When was the last time one of them made you say 'oooh that's some brutal shit'. Maybe the guitar thing with Jarrett and Moolah but that's it. Stone Cold and the Rock sucked as heels. They couldn't get real heat for nothing after their 1st heel runs. Triple H is a valid argument definately, he's a real S.O.B. but no one else. Jarrett had his 2nd chance already he was one of the 1st to flipflopflip between sides I believe. And Douglas' mouth is just too big, I've read his 'uncensored' interviews before, he screws himself. But I'd like to see him return too.



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#14 Posted on
Sure, the "I'm indestrustable because I'm huge" angle may make for bad *wrestling matches* per se, but I and many others seem to think it makes for damn entertaining television and a cool personality to see every now and then. After all, does *everything* in professional wresling have to be some great technical match? Aren't we talking about *entertainment* first, and THEN wrestling?

As far as I can tell, the majority opinion says bring Scott Steiner back. Sure he's a physical and emotional freak who's probably going to wear out in a few years (he already has been), but that is what makes him so much fun to watch.

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#15 Posted on
    Originally posted by jimimium
    for the most part the WWF seems to shy away from submission finishers for most people.. because they aren't 'flashy' enough or something. The walls dont' finish Jericho matches anymore.. leaving oh.. Benoit and Angle with submission finishers..

    I guess it ultimately comes down to people losing more heat from tapping than from being pinned.



The difference between Steiner and those other guys you mentioned is that he himself doesn't sell the finisher. If you look at Angle, he really looks like he's trying to break a leg. Benoit looks like he's really trying to break an arm. Jericho looks like he's trying to rip some legs off. Steiner just sits there out of breath and squats on some guy's back with a glorified chinlock.

I totally agree with you on the heat issue. I really liked a point that Kurt Angle made in his book that there are upsets in pro and college sports all the time and guys shouldn't be so afraid to job cleanly. Just because a midcarder beats somebody in higher spot doesn't mean that Rock, Austin, Triple H, and Undertaker merchandise is suddenly going to start collecting dust (and you know that's what the WWF is REALLY worried about when it comes to the heat factor).




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#16 Posted on

I used to like Scott Steiner. Then he traded in his awesome workrate for HGH.

Everybody messes with HHH about the roids when he's a MUCH WORSE case.

And the Steiner Recliner ROYALLY sucks - it's nothing but a rear chinlock. He should be using the Steiner Screwdriver (Suplex into a Tombstone) - that move was actually awesome.




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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95
Suplex into a Tombstone?

That move sounds SCARE-REE.



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#18 Posted on
The SSD is HORRIBLY brutal looking. I can only remember seeing it one time, during a Steiners/State Patrol match of all things (poor, poor Buddy Lee Parker...) and it make me cringe, right up there with the Ganso Bomb, the Orange Crush, and the turnbuckle piledriver. Sadly, I almost doubt that Steiner could pull one off correctly nowadays... with the loss of flexibility that he's had to have endured after getting all those footballs sewed into his arms (you think that's MUSCLE??) I'd imagine that people would be getting spiked all over the place...

On a less shudder-inducing note, I could've sworn that Steiner wasn't actually the inventor of the hurricanrana/Frankensteiner, that he was just one of the first guys to do it in the states. I always figured it originated south of the border, as a variation on the flying headscissors/rana.

Anybody know for sure?



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#19 Posted on
DMC wrote:
> Sure, the "I'm indestructable because I'm huge" angle may
> make for bad *wrestling matches* per se, but I and many
> others seem to think it makes for damn entertaining
> television and a cool personality to see every now and
> then. After all, does *everything* in professional
> wrestling have to be some great technical match? Aren't
> we talking about *entertainment* first, and THEN
> wrestling?

You sound as if they're mutually exclusive, when they're supposed to be complementary. The issue here is not whether Steiner is an asset on the mic or not. I find his BPP persona to be boring as hell, but that's a subjective issue and one that many will disagree with me on. But you can either be a big, muscular guy who can cut promos and CAN wrestle, or a big, muscular guy who can cut promos but CAN'T wrestle. Which would you say is more qualified for the profession?

No matter what he says on the mic or does in skits, sooner or later he has to wrestle. Everything in professional wrestling doesn't have to be a Benoit-vs-Malenko technical classic, but everything in professional wrestling DOES HAVE TO BE ABOUT WRESTLING in the end. That's why he's out there - to wrestle. Is it really that hard to comprehend? If he doesn't wrestle well, he might as well be a manager or a valet or a color commentator full-time, and he'd be better suited for those roles!

That having been said, when he or anyone else gets in the ring, if they're not willing to bring some effort to the table, they're WASTING MY TIME. If they're willing to go out there, refuse to sell, half-ass their moves and get by on the strength of their promos and the size of their biceps, they're WASTING MY TIME. The promos and skits and trash-talk SET UP THE MATCHES, not the other way around. The matches are the payoff. They're what people pay PPV cash to see. And if the matches suck, the promotion sucks, and then the owners wonder why the ratings are dropping.

No one is asking Steiner to adopt the moveset of a luchadore; that's not his style, and never really was. No one is asking him to lay down for Spike Dudley week in and week out. But if you're in a wrestling ring, no matter who you're up against, you have three goals: entertain the crowd via a competitive match, do the things that you do well, and make the other guy's moves look good while he's doing the same for you. Whether you mat wrestle, fly, brawl, muscle, or cheat in the ring, whether you're 150 pounds or 450 pounds, there are certain fundamentals that belong in every match.

There are people much worse than today's Scott Steiner on all three counts above. (For example, the Godfather makes Steiner look like El Hijo del Santo out there.) My entire point was that as far as his wrestling goes, he used to be much better than he is now. That is NOT irreversible, and he could easily do so WITHOUT losing his heat or his freaked-out character. Is that so much to ask?

> As far as I can tell, the majority opinion says bring
> Scott Steiner back. Sure he's a physical and emotional
> freak who's probably going to wear out in a few years (he
> already has been), but that is what makes him so much fun
> to watch.

Sure, he should come back, when he's healthy. That doesn't mean he won't have room for improvement when he IS back.



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I've always liked Steiner. As far as I know, he got the credit for the Frankensteinter becuase he was the first to do it here, not do it period. I'm pretty sure you're right, and it was in Mexico.
Anyway, to the submission finisher part, the idea of one of these huge guys getting hit over the head with a chair repeatedly, driven through a table, and dropped on their head, then tapping out to a rear chin lock? Uh-uh. I think that kind of thought is what produces the lack of subs. Angle and Benoit make it work, because of the intensity level, and for comparatively smaller guys, I think it would work better. But something like a Diamond Cutter (which, if you haven't noticed, is quickly getting really over) can pop out of nowhere and win a match for you. Submissions need/are better with set up time, and 3 minute tv matches don't give you that time.



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