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It appears if elected, she will be just another George W. Bush.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/palin_troopergate

I won't say nail in the coffin for the campaign, but that hammer does seem to be warming up.

(edited by lotjx on 10.10.08 2039)
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I don't know it seems a little less than I expected. Because they aren't actually charging her, the campaign seems to be saying it's no big deal and they'll move forward. Obama is happy talking about the economy, I don't know if he wants to move away from that into her character issues.

In the end it's good for all of us to know that she did this, but I don't know that it will make a big impact.
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I dunno. Honestly this doesn't change my mind one way or another. I might not think she's all that and a bag of chips, but from what I understand the trooper at the heart of all of this is a complete asshole and probably deserved a lot of bad things to happen to him, Todd and possibly Sarah were going around talking to anyone who would listen about what a jerk he was, especially people who had power to make bad things happen to him. The guy who registered this complaint refused to do anything, and then later got into a position where Palin had the option to cut him slack or cut him loose, and she choose the latter.

Yeah it shouldn't happen, but really in the scope of things this is a pretty minor reason not to vote for McCain/Palin.
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.85
    Originally posted by Lise
    Yeah it shouldn't happen, but really in the scope of things this is a pretty minor reason not to vote for McCain/Palin.


Another week like the one just ended on Wall St. and she could raise the dead and it wouldn't help.

Their campaign appears to be desperate and imploding. Only something like a terrorist attack or finding bin Laden makes a positive difference and with all the negatives in their campaign world, Troopergate looks like nothing but a bit of evidience to support Palin haters and prove to Palin backers she is being persecuted.



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I caught a bit of Larry King last night and they were saying that it's possible they could call for an impeachment of her as governor.

IF impeachment proceedings were to begin, other than saying that dems set this all up, how in the world do they continue with the campaign?

McCain/Palin can't even quell their crowds from their more-and-more hateful Obama chants (like "Hang him!" and "Terrorist!") without getting booed from their own supporters.



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    Originally posted by Zeruel
    I caught a bit of Larry King last night and they were saying that it's possible they could call for an impeachment of her as governor.

    IF impeachment proceedings were to begin, other than saying that dems set this all up, how in the world do they continue with the campaign?

    McCain/Palin can't even quell their crowds from their more-and-more hateful Obama chants (like "Hang him!" and "Terrorist!") without getting booed from their own supporters.



Impeachment? Just elect her V.P.(Well Mccain needs it) and she is gone.
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I love how people who are in the tank for McCain/Palin say its just a minor thing. If Obama did anything close to this, they would try to have him arrested in mid-speech. I also don't see anything minor about abusing your power when the last eight years has been about abusing power. The problem here is that once you go down this road as being an executive, it becomes rarely a one time incident.
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    Originally posted by Lise
    I dunno. Honestly this doesn't change my mind one way or another. I might not think she's all that and a bag of chips, but from what I understand the trooper at the heart of all of this is a complete asshole and probably deserved a lot of bad things to happen to him.
Agreed. Consider the following, written by the (then) head of the Alaska State Troopers, in a letter suspending Trooper Wooten (the trooper at the heart of all this):
    Originally posted by Col. Julia Grimes
    The record clearly indicates a serious and concentrated pattern of unacceptable and at times, illegal activity occurring over a lengthy period, which establishes a course of conduct totally at odds with the ethics of our profession. This discipline is meant to be a last chance to take corrective action. You are hereby given notice that any further occurrences of these types of behaviors or incidents will not be tolerated and will result in your termination.
That was written back on March 1, 2006, more than eight months prior to Sarah Palin being elected governor of Alaska.

My own personal belief is that any man who has confessed to electrocuting his 11-year-old step son with a Taser stun gun (news.com.au) is unfit to carry a gun and a badge.

For those interested, the article containing the letter from Col. Julia Grimes may be found here (adn.com)




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    Originally posted by Downtown Bookie
      Originally posted by Lise
      I dunno. Honestly this doesn't change my mind one way or another. I might not think she's all that and a bag of chips, but from what I understand the trooper at the heart of all of this is a complete asshole and probably deserved a lot of bad things to happen to him.
    Agreed. Consider the following, written by the (then) head of the Alaska State Troopers, in a letter suspending Trooper Wooten (the trooper at the heart of all this):
      Originally posted by Col. Julia Grimes
      The record clearly indicates a serious and concentrated pattern of unacceptable and at times, illegal activity occurring over a lengthy period, which establishes a course of conduct totally at odds with the ethics of our profession. This discipline is meant to be a last chance to take corrective action. You are hereby given notice that any further occurrences of these types of behaviors or incidents will not be tolerated and will result in your termination.
    That was written back on March 1, 2006, more than eight months prior to Sarah Palin being elected governor of Alaska.

    My own personal belief is that any man who has confessed to electrocuting his 11-year-old step son with a Taser stun gun (news.com.au) is unfit to carry a gun and a badge.

    For those interested, the article containing the letter from Col. Julia Grimes may be found here (adn.com)



But I think that's the problem the guy had. Palin was asking(well encouraging) him to discipline the guy a second time for his problems after he had already been punished. Doing that could have lead to a lawsuit from the trooper. So it's not that he didn't necessarily WANT to fire the guy, it was that it would have been out of line at the time.

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That article doesn't seem to mention that it was apparently a Taser "training aid" rather than a full-on "stun gun." Here's a CNN article (cnn.com) with more on that. I assume it's much better than just shooting him with a stun gun, but I'm not sure it absolves him of "dumbassery," at the very least. (For instance, his statement that it was "less than what you would get if you touched an electric fence" does not exactly fill me with confidence.)

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I'd like to point out that I am NOT "in the tank" for Palin. I do think that being the mother of five is a kind of political experience, but her beliefs and policies are in contrast to my own which is way more important to me than gender, age, party, experience, etc. I will not vote for a woman just because she's a woman anymore than (I assume) men vote for a man just because he's a man. I vote based on who I think matches up best with my own beliefs on things I believe they will have the power to do anything about.

If someone shocked my nephew, (and presumably was making things a living hell for my sister) I'm relatively sure I would do a great deal of things within my power to make sure he got his. Considering that as VP I really doubt that a situation involving family members like this would come up again, I don't think it should affect my decision to or to not vote for her.


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    The report concluded that Monegan's firing was legal, because Palin had the right to choose her top administrators, but that the pressure Palin and her husband exerted to try to get Wooten fired was improper.


So, it wasn't the firing of the guy that was wrong, it was that she just wanted an asshat with a gun and badge off the state payroll for personal reasons.

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    Originally posted by Lise
    I'd like to point out that I am NOT "in the tank" for Palin. I do think that being the mother of five is a kind of political experience, but her beliefs and policies are in contrast to my own which is way more important to me than gender, age, party, experience, etc. I will not vote for a woman just because she's a woman anymore than (I assume) men vote for a man just because he's a man. I vote based on who I think matches up best with my own beliefs on things I believe they will have the power to do anything about.

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    Actually IMHO, woman are less likely to vote for a woman because she is a woman (mostly woman over 40 - 45). Women are harder on women candidates than most men are.

    When Obama and Hillary became the two possibilities, my wife and I discussed which would hurt the winner more; whites unwilling to vote for a black man or people in general unwilling to vote for a woman. We felt that Obama's race was likely a bigger impediment than Hillary's gender.




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I would like to argue the point that I doubt this will be a one time incident. If they thought they could get away with it once, why not a second time. To think that no other situations would occur with this family which has a ton of skeletons in this closet for the next four years is being naive. What happens when the economy gets worse and Alaska actually gets that vote to become independent what happens then? Her husband is a firm supporter of the Alaskan Independence Party, so will they go after them as traitors or will it Palin persuade McCain to pardon the entire state? I argue that if elected or if not elected another incident like this will occur and she will do it again.
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.52
    Originally posted by lotjx
    I would like to argue the point that I doubt this will be a one time incident. If they thought they could get away with it once, why not a second time. To think that no other situations would occur with this family which has a ton of skeletons in this closet for the next four years is being naive. What happens when the economy gets worse and Alaska actually gets that vote to become independent what happens then? Her husband is a firm supporter of the Alaskan Independence Party, so will they go after them as traitors or will it Palin persuade McCain to pardon the entire state? I argue that if elected or if not elected another incident like this will occur and she will do it again.
Do it again? Another incident like this will occur? Exactly how many Alaska State Troopers do you think are out there tasering her nephew and threatening to kill her father?


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I meant incident like this ie something where abuse of power will occur. I love how everyone is missing the point about her doing something wrong and going straight for the idiot trooper, so it somehow validates Palin doing something even a bipartisan panel agrees she abused her power.
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.40
    Originally posted by lotjx
    I meant incident like this ie something where abuse of power will occur. I love how everyone is missing the point about her doing something wrong and going straight for the idiot trooper, so it somehow validates Palin doing something even a bipartisan panel agrees she abused her power.


No, I honestly think you are missing the point. We all understand that you believe this incident will lead to others. We just don't agree with you.

I'm against Palin, but not for this reason.




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I think it's an astonishing blow to her in terms of credibility, especially when she's using the Ayers stick to beat Obama about judgement and accountability. I also can't believe so many are dismissing it as irrelevant to her potentially being VP - it's the specifics of the incident, it's the fact that she has no problem abusing her office for personal gain. A situation like that could easily arise in the White House, whether it involves family members or not.



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.79
    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    I think it's an astonishing blow to her in terms of credibility, especially when she's using the Ayers stick to beat Obama about judgement and accountability. I also can't believe so many are dismissing it as irrelevant to her potentially being VP - it's the specifics of the incident, it's the fact that she has no problem abusing her office for personal gain. A situation like that could easily arise in the White House, whether it involves family members or not.


I don't disagree but the reality is, if we knew all that goes on, no one in a position like this doesn't at sometime abuse the authority they have. It is human nature no matter what side you are on. Ghandi likley abused power. I don't give her a pass but where family is concerned, people act stupid.

And yes, they are using the fact that the trooper is a jerk as cover. But ends justifying the means is an old cannard. As are ad hominem attacks when you get caught.



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The fact is the majority of politicians abuse power in some way. Sad truth democrat and republican. It goes both ways, Hey did anybody remember the Clinton ERA?
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