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Madame Manga
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Since: 16.1.02
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#41 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
I'm not sure what degree of disconnect from reality it takes for a grown man to just WALK AWAY from a child being raped in front of his eyes. What, exactly, would it have taken for McQueary to physically intervene? If Sandusky had been stabbing the kid to death with a butcher knife, would that have been enough for him? Or would he still have run away and phoned his daddy to ask his advice on how to save his own career?

No one, and no institution, should be powerful enough, moneyed enough nor inspire enough reverence and solidarity to mitigate child rape in the slightest degree. Yes, of course that's what else I'm referring to.

But football? FOOTBALL? They're rioting out of loyalty to a GAME? If Penn worships its team, its coach and its record to that extent, they should be banned for at least five years. Give 'em a good long time to figure out what a man's moral priorities should look like in real life.

Then re-staff the entire athletic department with pissed-off mothers of small boys. No, I'm not putting in my application...

Wpob
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Since: 21.11.02
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#42 Posted on
I read the Grand Jury report and I really wish I hadn't. That was extremely upsetting. As a fahter of 3 boys and 1 girl, I shudder that a incident like this has happened and that so many people chose to look away instead of help. I don't know if we will ever get the full story but I can;t beleive no one stood up for these children.

Paterno knew Sandusky for years. If someone came to me and said he witnessed my lifelong friend raping a child, I would look into it and one way or another, someone would be fired/banned from PSU - either the person who reported it or my friend. Neither happened. McQueery moved up the coaching ranks and Sandusky continued to have access to all things PSU. Horrifying that so many "men" decided their careers, legacy and university was more important that doing the right thing.

I hope Sandusky does the rest of his life in jail getting what he deserves. McQueery's name will always be associated with the words gutless coward. And Paterno should be remembered as a hypocrite - the man who came down on Miami and other schools for paying kids to play football and acting all self rightous is the same man who let an accused pedophile have access to PSU and bring kids there whenever he wanted (and to games, practices, etc). I lost all respect for him.

Finally, I hope the NCAA gives the football program there the Death Penalty. They deserve it and I think Penn State needs the football program to go away so it can cleanse itself of this and move on. Ten years down the road, it can ask for reinstatement. But for now, shut it down.

And to those poor boys, I hope that they can somehow lead as normal life as they can. I can't imagine how they must feel having to have lived through it and now living through it again. My thoughts and praayers are with them all.

This is the worst story I have heard in a long time. I just have a sickening feeling there is more to come - and none of it good.



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DrDirt
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#43 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.71
    Originally posted by Madame Manga

    But football? FOOTBALL? They're rioting out of loyalty to a GAME? If Penn worships its team, its coach and its record to that extent, they should be banned for at least five years. Give 'em a good long time to figure out what a man's moral priorities should look like in real life.



They are rioting because they are college students and thought it would be cool. Some of it may be because they love football and JoePa and may even believe that's why but mostly because they can. The ones that will grow up in a few years will (should) look back and be ashamed.



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#44 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.01
The reaction is utterly shameful. Even those who compose themselves long enough to talk about their anger seem to be missing the mark - when defending JoePa they bring up that others haven't been punished as strongly.. To paraphrase an old CRZ wrestling adage, if you can't defend something without bringing up the failings of outside parties you've got a problem. That McQueary, Curley and Schultz haven't been fired yet has no bearing on whether Paterno should've been. If these idiots really gave a shit they'd be directing their outrage at the board for not clearing house on the rest of these cowards, not for only firing the one person so far.
Reverend J Shaft
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#45 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.52
A rather ironic note that had been sent to recruits by Coach McQueary.

lotjx
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#46 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.09
PSU should be glad they had a home game this week, I can only imagine if they were at Columbus or Ann Arbor. I also don't understand why Penn State needs healed in the first place, they are not the victims they are the problem.



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Since: 21.11.02
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#47 Posted on
    Originally posted by lotjx
    PSU should be glad they had a home game this week, I can only imagine if they were at Columbus or Ann Arbor. I also don't understand why Penn State needs healed in the first place, they are not the victims they are the problem.


This is so right. The school does not need to be healed. The school needs an cleansing. Get rid of anyone associated with this coverup and try to move on. The healing is those poor boys who saw no one stand up for them.



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TheBucsFan
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#48 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.01
    Originally posted by Wpob
      Originally posted by lotjx
      PSU should be glad they had a home game this week, I can only imagine if they were at Columbus or Ann Arbor. I also don't understand why Penn State needs healed in the first place, they are not the victims they are the problem.


    This is so right. The school does not need to be healed. The school needs an cleansing. Get rid of anyone associated with this coverup and try to move on. The healing is those poor boys who saw no one stand up for them.


It's possible to say someone is hurt by this ordeal without equating them with rape or molestation victims.

I think it's safe to say the Penn State fan base, faculty, a majority of students and alumni, residents of State College or indeed the entire state of Pennsylvania, et al, are disappointed to learn this all went down as a result of their favorite team/university/employer/whatever's negligence. The current players, as far as I know, are not responsible in any way. And so on. Yes, I think it is fair to say the community that surrounds Penn State, the community that IS "Penn State," needs healing. Unless you think it's fair to judge thousands upon thousands of people based upon the (lack of) actions of a small handful of people, but that of course would be stupid as hell.

None of this means the rape victims are not the victims here.
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#49 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.09
    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
      Originally posted by Wpob
        Originally posted by lotjx
        PSU should be glad they had a home game this week, I can only imagine if they were at Columbus or Ann Arbor. I also don't understand why Penn State needs healed in the first place, they are not the victims they are the problem.


      This is so right. The school does not need to be healed. The school needs an cleansing. Get rid of anyone associated with this coverup and try to move on. The healing is those poor boys who saw no one stand up for them.


    It's possible to say someone is hurt by this ordeal without equating them with rape or molestation victims.

    I think it's safe to say the Penn State fan base, faculty, a majority of students and alumni, residents of State College or indeed the entire state of Pennsylvania, et al, are disappointed to learn this all went down as a result of their favorite team/university/employer/whatever's negligence. The current players, as far as I know, are not responsible in any way. And so on. Yes, I think it is fair to say the community that surrounds Penn State, the community that IS "Penn State," needs healing. Unless you think it's fair to judge thousands upon thousands of people based upon the (lack of) actions of a small handful of people, but that of course would be stupid as hell.

    None of this means the rape victims are not the victims here.


No, it is all about giving a media storyline to a game that had nothing going into it other than PSU is a villain that people went to see get the shit kicked out of them. As judging people for the actions of a few. I probably wouldn't if Paterno did turn PSU all about him and the fans let him do it. Instead fan outrage for Paterno throwing people out of his house when they tried to fire him in 2006. They cheered harder for him. And it also brings in the question what kind of power Joe had to do that, now I am pretty sure we know what it is now.

The fans are to blame for supporting a guy who hasn't won anything since 1986. They made him a god like figure in that town and he ate it up. He ate it up to the point when this shit went down, he told the board, I am working all season, don't worry about it. The fans supported that too. They are enablers. They enabled this situation. The riot didn't help either.

I grew up in this area. In that area everyone is in everyone's business and connected to one another. So, I find it hard to believe that Joe Pa didn't know about the other stuff like the story coming out involving Second Mile and pimping out kids to probably high ranking PSU donors which has not been confirmed, but shouldn't shock anyone when it is. Nor was it a shock that the judge sits on the Second Mile board. The entire town is one big cult of Paterno and PSU. They don't need healed they need solid kick in the ass and the media is enabling as well, but saying they need heal. No, they need the death penalty, because if Ohio State lost control over players and tats, lord knows this school is totally out of control.

(edited by lotjx on 14.11.11 1751)


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#50 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.27
You seem to be enjoying a horrifying tragedy because it has thoroughly destroyed something you dislike because of sports bullshit. I think you've got just as big a problem with perspective.
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#51 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.98
    Originally posted by lotjx
    The fans are to blame for supporting a guy who hasn't won anything since 1986.


Included in the "things NOT won since 1986":

- a 12-0 1994 season where they finished #2 and beat Oregon in the Rose Bowl (the last season before there was a reasonable attempt to make a 1 vs. 2 national title game)
- three Big Ten titles (including 2008)
- five 11-win seasons (including 2008 and 2009)
- two 10-win seasons
- six 9-win seasons
- seven seasons finishing in the top-10
- four January 1 bowl games



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#52 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.09
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    You seem to be enjoying a horrifying tragedy because it has thoroughly destroyed something you dislike because of sports bullshit. I think you've got just as big a problem with perspective.


I am not enjoying any of this. Its a god damn terrible what happened to those kids. You think I go home and think "Wow, wouldn't it be great if some kids got raped and the entire college of Penn State decided to cover up for ten years. Then after they get caught, their fan base decides to riot, because the fan base can't let go of a coach who has been washed up since 1999."

I think about that every night. No, I don't. You have said some pretty retarded stuff to me over the years, but this takes it to another level. Penn State doesn't need heal, the victims do. And those wins are pretty fucking meaningless now.

(edited by lotjx on 14.11.11 1922)


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#53 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.96
Back to the main issue: That Sandusky's attorney is letting him do interviews is shocking. That he is using the 'I shower with boys and touch their legs but I'm not a pedophile defense' is something that I can't fathom.
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Since: 12.12.01
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#54 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.27
My point ...

    Originally posted by lotjx
    The fans are enablers. They enabled this situation.



    a guy who hasn't won anything since 1986.



    the entire college of Penn State decided to cover up for ten years



    coach who has been washed up since 1999


... was that there's a smarter way to denounce a subculture that's earned severe denunciation without saying every person in it facilitated child abuse. That just seems like axe-grinding when there's so so so so so much to rightfully condemn people for. Your first-hand insights with the cult of Happy Valley are telling but they're useless without nuance. The enabling surely goes deep and beyond the five or so people already named, but some 18-year-old random freshman had fuck-all to do with it. Being obnoxious wagon-circlers in need of perspective is not tantamount to sweeping child rape under the carpet. As a resident of Pennsylvania then some of my taxes have probably gone to Penn State which apparently means I too have enabled Sandusky.

(edited by JustinShapiro on 14.11.11 2122)
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#55 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.27
Reread this from yesterday and I wanted to say I could've better expressed the point I wanted to make to lotjx and make it clear I don't disagree with his general sentiment. Almost no amount of outrage is inappropriate here, but you can criticize the PSU culture (yes those people on Facebook are annoying) without indicting them in the same breath.

I wouldn't cry for them if they ended up with some kind of suspension of the program, if only because it'd be the most ironic punishment possible for the overriding m.o. of protecting the interests of PSFB above all else. I don't think it's very likely, but won't it kind of work itself out in terms of how badly this will affect their donations and recruiting? All the more reason to be proactive and clean house instead of doing damage control and trying to get "back to normal" as soon as possible.
Madame Manga
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#56 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    Back to the main issue: That Sandusky's attorney is letting him do interviews is shocking. That he is using the 'I shower with boys and touch their legs but I'm not a pedophile defense' is something that I can't fathom.


The guy is apparently sunk so deep into his twisted views that he honestly doesn't realize how that sounds to the rest of the world. Strangely enough, that doesn't surprise me, because what Sandusky was saying there is exactly what every pedophile thinks in private, and usually has the sense to say aloud only in the company of other pedophiles.

Remember NAMBLA and their open campaign in the 1980s to legalize sex with children? I do, and that's why this sounds so familiar. What Uncle Jerry probably wants to do (and his attorney couldn't persuade him was a REALLY BAD IDEA even to hint at in public) is speak out and convince the world that man-boy love is a wonderful thing and good for everyone involved. He wants to drag in dubious psychological and historical justifications, like invoking samurai and Greek warriors, and remove all this terrible modern cultural repression of what to him is a pure and natural mutual urge.

He truly believes that he has done nothing wrong. He has convinced himself that if he can only explain that a grown man showering naked with an eleven-year-old is a beautiful emotional connection, the assembled lynch mob will somehow understand his justifications. Instead of stringing him up to the nearest goal post.

Apparently he spends way, way too much time conversing with people of his own warped persuasion.

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