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|  #1 Posted on 22.11.02 1038.17 | I'm so tired of hearing this. It's become the new mantra for EVERYONE that works for WWE and/or writes about it. It usually follows the reason that wrestling is in decline. Example: "HBK shouldn't be champion because he's old. What they need to do is create new stars." Hell, even Linda McMahon said it during the quarterly conference call yesterday in response to their downturn. OK fine, I agree that it's a logical solution to a downturn in business. But, the real question is: How? How are they going to create new stars? And how do they do it without alienating fans of the established stars and driving them away? (i.e. The New Generation of the early 90's)
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| #2 Posted on 22.11.02 1043.08 | | For the record I support HBK being the (short term) champion, but I'd imagine the way to create new stars would be to um, let them win high profile matches that mean something. | ges7184
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| #3 Posted on 22.11.02 1059.38 | | Eventually you have to trust somebody enough to let him take the ball and run, and let that person either succeed or fail. The WWE seems scared to take that dive. | dMr
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|  #4 Posted on 22.11.02 1106.46 |
Originally posted by ges7184
Eventually you have to trust somebody enough to let him take the ball and run, and let that person either succeed or fail. The WWE seems scared to take that dive.
I dont know about that. In recent months we've seen a load of talent get pushes on both shows. Some (Brock, Booker, Maven, Nowinski, Edge) have been more successful than others (John Cena, Dudleyz singles pushes, Jackie Gayda) but at least they're trying.
It's also good to see they're not resting on the successes they've already had with 'Dave' Batista and Randy Orton slowly getting built into big time players.
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| #5 Posted on 22.11.02 1118.09 | I don't even understand this arguement. In the Survivor Series prediction thread, someone said that HHH would most assuredly win the Elimination Chamber because the WWE refuses to put a World Title belt on anyone but the same four people over and over again.
He then went on to make his prediction for the next match, the one featuring the ROOKIE WORLD CHAMPION.
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| #6 Posted on 22.11.02 1140.45 | Instant Rating: 4.95 | That phrase, "create new stars" always gets on my nerve, because when they say that, it seems like they mean, "We need to call up more green guys from OVW."
They HAVE stars, they're just not pushing the right ones.
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| #7 Posted on 22.11.02 1232.18 | Instant Rating: 0.00 | Read my sig.
From the infamous Wrestleline SS interview:
DTD: If you were to make changes in WCW, if you were in charge and not Ric Flair, what would they be?
SS: I'd get rid of all the old guys, and push the talent that has waited to get the push. The things they are doing, it's back in the 1980s. It's just bad, man. Flair doesn't even deserve to be on the show. You've got to get rid of all the old guys. Like what Vince did, they started pushing guys. Nobody knew who The Rock was 2 years ago. He made The Rock. Now The Rock just did Saturday Night Live. You've got to start with the young talent, talent people can relate to. Who are we trying to relate to if we've got a 50 year old man out there? Are we trying to relate, so a 50 year people and above will go out and buy a f*cking little toy? That ain't gonna happen. It's a f*cking joke.
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| #8 Posted on 22.11.02 1240.04 | Not really. I can't see and 50-year-olds in prominent main event positions on WWE TV right now. But he does make a good point about making new talent.
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| #9 Posted on 22.11.02 1334.47 | In order to "create" a new star, three things must be in place:
1. A look
2. A hook
3. A writer with brains
Look: A get over as a new star, a wrestler needs a look. Somthing that will distunguish him from the pack and make people take notice. Lesnar and Batista have the "monster" look, Orton has the swarmy cheater look, etc.
Hook: Why am I cheering/booing this person? That is the hook. Where is your signature catch phrase or move (face) or dirty play (heel)? You can't just come out and wrestle a technically sound match. Excite me, make me jump out of my seat and cheer or boo you. Do something extraordinary. Seeing Lesnar F-5 Big Show was unreal. Watching Mysterio hit the "619" is great. What are you doing to top that?
Writer: In reality, this is the most important. What purpose do you have? Why are you fueding with so and so? Should I care? A good plot with good writing will make me come back week after week to see you wrestle. The look and the hook will make me a fan of yours.
Can the WWE create new stars? Sure, look what the did for Lesnar, the Hardys, Edge, Christian and Angle. They even took established stars and made them bigger, like Jericho, Booker T and RVD.
I hope that the WWE does create new stars like Orton, Nowinski, Maven, Batista and hopefully Sean O'Haire. It will keep me watching for a few more years.
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|  #10 Posted on 22.11.02 1502.57 | They could easily make RVD or Booker T into stars. They've just gotta push them like major superstars, not like upper midcarders. Look at Brock Lesnar, they fumbled along the way but they stuck with it and he's turning into a big star.
They gotta have patience to create new stars. Take Triple H for example. They put the title on him in the Summer of 99 and he wasn't over at all. He had nothing going for him but they kept pushing and pushing and pushing until finally fans accepted him as a Main Event level star.
They do need to have the main level guys help create the new stars. Like Bret did for Austin. Like Foley did for Rock and HHH. Like Rock and Hogan did for Brock.
Right now, HHH and Shawn need to help get Van Dam and Booker T to that next level. |
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