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I know this belongs elsewhere, but it is such great news!

Middle East - AP

Saddam Captured Alive, Iraq Official Says
15 minutes ago


BAGHDAD, Iraq - Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) has been captured alive in his hometown of Tikrit, a member of the U.S.-appointed Governing Council said Sunday.


Council member Dara Noor al-Din told The Associated Press that the council was informed of the former dictator's capture in a telephone call from L. Paul Bremer, the U.S. administrator for Iraq (news - web sites).


"Bremer has confirmed to the Governing Council that Saddam was captured in Tikrit," Noor al-Din said. "He spoke on the phone to several members, including Ahmad Chalabi."


Chalabi is a leading member of the council who has close links to the U.S. administration of President Bush (news - web sites).


In Washington, senior military officials confirmed there was a raid based on intelligence that Saddam was at a certain house and that some people were taken into custody. They were unwilling to be more specific.


Earlier, Iran's official news agency, IRNA, also reported that Saddam had been detained in Iraq. "Saddam Hussein was arrested in his hometown of Tikrit," IRNA quoted top Iraqi leader, Jalal Talabani as saying. It gave no further details.


Nazem Dabbagh, a representative of Talabani's Patriotic Union of Kurdestan, confirmed Talabani's statement when reached by phone Sunday by an Associated Press reporter in Tehran.


In Baghdad, residents fired small arms in the air in celebration, and gunfire echoed in neighborhoods across the city. Earlier in the day, rumors of the capture sent people streaming into the streets of Kirkuk, a northern Iraqi city, firing guns in the air in celebration.


"We are celebrating like it's a wedding," said Kirkuk resident Mustapha Sheriff. "We are finally rid of that criminal."


"This is the joy of a lifetime," said Ali Al-Bashiri, another resident. "I am speaking on behalf of all the people that suffered under his rule."


A spokeswoman for the U.S.-led occupation in Baghdad notified reporters that a "very important" announcement will be made at a news conference scheduled for 7 a.m. EST, but did not say who would be the speaker. The spokeswoman requested anonymity.


Rumors that the former dictator was in custody were making the rounds in Tikri, but reporters attached to the 4th Infantry Division, the U.S. unit in charge of security in the area, said there was no unusual activity there overnight or early Sunday.


Saddam, who ruled Iraq for 23 years until his ouster in April, has been a fugitive since then with a $25 million bounty on his head.


Rumors about Saddam's capture or death periodically surface, and a hotline set up by the occupation authorities for tips on his whereabouts is flooded with callers.
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The question to me now becomes: Is this a good thing or a bad thing? Is Saddam worth more alive or dead? Does this stop the violence against our troops? Or does it increase it? Maybe the insurgents didnt know he was alive before, but now they have confirmation that hes alive and in American hands?

And where can you hold Saddam? Im sure they want to get him out of Iraq for security reasons but then what do you do with him? Put him on Trial?


Im sure that while the Military and Administration are glad they found him, but Im sure they would have much rather had him dead.
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He'd most likely be put on trial for crimes against humanity. Who chairs that trial...well, that's another matter entirely. Me, I'd leave him to the Kurds and let 'em party all over his bones.



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Well I'll be damned, we found something that we said we were going to find.

I think it would be a good idea to try to bargain with him. Try to get him to announce that the fight is over. See if we can get Saddam to quell the resistance fighters in Iraq.

But then again, Saddam might be a butthead about it. Who knows?

But congrats go to the soldiers who planned and captured that rat bastard.

And if we can get Saddam to shows where he hid his WMD's (assuming that he had any) then we can really justify this whole war.

(edited by ThreepMe on 14.12.03 0554)


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    Originally posted by ThreepMe
    Well I'll be damned, we found something that we said we were going to find.

    I think it would be a good idea to try to bargain with him. Try to get him to announce that the fight is over. See if we can get Saddam to quell the resistance fighters in Iraq.

    But then again, Saddam might be a butthead about it. Who knows?

    But congrats go to the soldiers who planned and captured that rat bastard.

    And if we can get Saddam to shows where he hid his WMD's (assuming that he had any) then we can really justify this whole war.

    (edited by ThreepMe on 14.12.03 0554)


Word now is that he's being cooperative and telling us everything we want. So much for being a martyr in the face of the great evil Saddam.........



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    Originally posted by Scott Summets
    Word now is that he's being cooperative and telling us everything we want. So much for being a martyr in the face of the great evil Saddam.........



well not so fast, I think youre taking it out of context. he was cooperative during his capture and Im sure he is talking to his captors but I somehow doubt that hes spilling all the beans. Saddam is smart, Im sure he knows that the more he withholds the more valuable he is. Thus hes safer by shutting up and feeding them a little at a time.
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Well, that's my "Holy Shit" moment of the month. Now is the time to squeeze him for information.



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If they got the real Saddam and took him alive, good for them.

(Can we go after someone who was involved in 9/11 next, though?)




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He will not be tried in an international court. The Iraqi people wnat him to die. The International Court doesn't believe in that. So he will stay in Iraq, which also provides for a convenient way to legitimize the new Iraqi government by providing for a jury trial and after his conviction his execution.

EDIT: Incidentally, I saw John Kerry this morning still campaigning about how horrible a job Bush is doing in the war. Lieberman said that this was no time for parties, but for rejoicing. Proving once again how much of a fucking disgrace to the US Senate John Kerry is. Christ, Dean was more affable than Kerry was.

(edited by Grimis on 14.12.03 1147)


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    Originally posted by vsp
    If they got the real Saddam and took him alive, good for them.


DNA tests confirmed it is really him, and apparently they weren't going to announce this until they knew it wasn't a double.

USA!! USA!!

PS: BWAHAHAHAHA!!! EAT IT KERRY!!



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Incidentally....

Terrorist behind September 11 strike was trained by Saddam
By Con Coughlin
(Filed: 14/12/2003)

Iraq's coalition government claims that it has uncovered documentary proof that Mohammed Atta, the al-Qaeda mastermind of the September 11 attacks against the US, was trained in Baghdad by Abu Nidal, the notorious Palestinian terrorist.

Details of Atta's visit to the Iraqi capital in the summer of 2001, just weeks before he launched the most devastating terrorist attack in US history, are contained in a top secret memo written to Saddam Hussein, the then Iraqi president, by Tahir Jalil Habbush al-Tikriti, the former head of the Iraqi Intelligence Service.

The handwritten memo, a copy of which has been obtained exclusively by the Telegraph, is dated July 1, 2001 and provides a short resume of a three-day "work programme" Atta had undertaken at Abu Nidal's base in Baghdad.

In the memo, Habbush reports that Atta "displayed extraordinary effort" and demonstrated his ability to lead the team that would be "responsible for attacking the targets that we have agreed to destroy".

The second part of the memo, which is headed "Niger Shipment", contains a report about an unspecified shipment - believed to be uranium - that it says has been transported to Iraq via Libya and Syria.

Although Iraqi officials refused to disclose how and where they had obtained the document, Dr Ayad Allawi, a member of Iraq's ruling seven-man Presidential Committee, said the document was genuine.

"We are uncovering evidence all the time of Saddam's involvement with al-Qaeda," he said. "But this is the most compelling piece of evidence that we have found so far. It shows that not only did Saddam have contacts with al-Qaeda, he had contact with those responsible for the September 11 attacks."

Although Atta is believed to have been resident in Florida in the summer of 2001, he is known to have used more than a dozen aliases, and intelligence experts believe he could easily have slipped out of the US to visit Iraq.

Abu Nidal, who was responsible for the failed assassination of the Israeli ambassador to London in 1982, was based in Baghdad for more than two decades.



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Er, Grimis, regarding your cartoon - ABC News had the anti-terrorism rally as their second story of the evening that night and CBS covered it the next day in a segment. So, uh, it's kind of full of shit.
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Can we all stop it with trying to justify this war in Iraq by connecting it to 9/11?

Please?

All this "new evidence" wasn't around when we decided to march into Iraq to have our war.

So can we all stop totting the banner of "Saddam was connected to 9/11" bullshit?

Granted he probably was, somehow, connected to 9/11. But so was half the middle east and a good portion of our own government.

So let's stop with the digging of all these little tibits of info. Little tidbits can probably link anyone in the world to 9/11.

Until I see the document that says, "I Saddam Hussein was fully aware and trained/financed/gave birth to the terrorists (with the intention of destroying the Twin Towers)," then I will just chalk this all up as bullshit.

So far, all we got are some documents that "believe" he was loosley connected. Well guess what? I believe the moon is made of cheese. Stop the presses!!!

Fleh.

But good job by our soldiers none the less.



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It's been a good long time since I got to wake up to some good news for a change. Believe me, no matter if they try him in Iraq or in the ICC, Saddam's not much longer for this world. I do hope they can get him to adress the Iraqi people and tell them that the fight is over. (He might do it if he thinks it'll save his life. It probably won't, but there's no harm in letting him think it might.)

Otherwise, my first thought was - Wow, Hussein looked exactly like Dennis Miller when they found him.




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I think tyring him in some Iraqi court is also the most likely event to happen. The administration has no faith in any international justice system (and doesn't want current and former U.S. employees to get tried in them), and tyring him in the U.S. would not go over too well in the mid-East, so we have to wait for some sort of Iraqi tribunal to arise, then try him there.



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.36
    Originally posted by ThreepMe
    Can we all stop it with trying to justify this war in Iraq by connecting it to 9/11?

    Please?

    All this "new evidence" wasn't around when we decided to march into Iraq to have our war.

    So can we all stop totting the banner of "Saddam was connected to 9/11" bullshit?

    Granted he probably was, somehow, connected to 9/11. But so was half the middle east and a good portion of our own government.

    So let's stop with the digging of all these little tibits of info. Little tidbits can probably link anyone in the world to 9/11.

    Until I see the document that says, "I Saddam Hussein was fully aware and trained/financed/gave birth to the terrorists (with the intention of destroying the Twin Towers)," then I will just chalk this all up as bullshit.

    So far, all we got are some documents that "believe" he was loosley connected. Well guess what? I believe the moon is made of cheese. Stop the presses!!!

    Fleh.

    But good job by our soldiers none the less.


Um, two things, if you agree that thier can be a link, why state the "can we please stop trying to justify this war by linking it to 9/11? If you are against it fine, thats okay, but to sit and admit that thier IS a link and then to say we should stop trying to justify the war because of the link is a bit odd to me.

Second, since Saddam and Iraq didnt meet all the requirements of the cease fire agreement from the first gulf war, this action is justified, 9/11 or not.
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As much as he has earned a painful execution, Saddam likely has far too much information for us to simply lop his head off. I imagine he'll retire, in the mold of Idi Amin.



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