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#41 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.96
Well, I don't agree with the person who said that pot smoking will only minimally impact one's driving; depending on how much you smoked, driving while high can be a real danger. You short term memory is fried, your reaction time is slowed, and you're capable of being WAY too easily distracted.

(Although I do think the "legal limit" for drunk driving is set artificially low, as someone who has 3 or 4 drinks while watching a game at a bar could easily hit that .08 limit, but not be a danger to others. Most drunk driving accidents involve people well beyond the .08 limit... but politicians like to show how "tough" they are on drunk driving by constantly lowering the limit, even if doing so doesn't correlate to public safety.)

But it's worth noting that wrestling is a sport with an amazing number of participants who fail to live beyond age 50. Most seem to die because of the stress and pressure of this business -- and smoking pot does reduce stress. It does kill pain. It does help someone sleep at night without the use of sleeping pills.

If you get rid of marijuana use, I doubt if most current users will simply abandon all drug use. Instead, they'll find a substitute.

And just for the record, I've NEVER heard of a wrestler dying because he OD'd on marijuana.



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#42 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.35
And just for the record, I've NEVER heard of a wrestler dying because he OD'd on marijuana.

However, if one is so irresponsible as to drive while intoxicated - thus endangering the lives of others ...

... what's to stop him from wrestling while high and wrecklessly endanger the lives of others?

Personally, with the fact that one false move could cause serious injury, I'd want to know that the dude I'm working with is as sharp as possible.
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#43 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.42
    Originally posted by rv581
    But it's worth noting that wrestling is a sport with an amazing number of participants who fail to live beyond age 50. Most seem to die because of the stress and pressure of this business -- and smoking pot does reduce stress. It does kill pain. It does help someone sleep at night without the use of sleeping pills.


I don't think the stupidity is in that he smokes pot. He's an idiot for doing while driving, for not being more careful when the company had a lot riding on him and for having the pills. Seeing as how it is illegal, I have a hard time sympathizing for these two, but if they're going to do it they should be doing it behind closed doors.

What I do hate is that WWE, whether intentionally by scripting the promos or unintentionally by not telling him to stop, promoted RVD's pot use and I'd say it played at least a minor role in his rise to stardom of the last eight years. So while I don't know exactly what punishment RVD has in store, I think anything too harsh will risk seeming a little hypocritical. Not that that should be their concern, after the company's champion just got arrested for drug possession.
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#44 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.08
Um, that's really not very fair. Up until this year and the ECW relaunch WWE seemed to do as much as possible to distance van Dam from the drug-taking gimmick. Ask any casual fan about WWE RVD and see if they automatically come to the conclusion that he's a stoner.



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#45 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.01
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#46 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.74
    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    Um, that's really not very fair. Up until this year and the ECW relaunch WWE seemed to do as much as possible to distance van Dam from the drug-taking gimmick. Ask any casual fan about WWE RVD and see if they automatically come to the conclusion that he's a stoner.


Ahem.. RVD very recently began to use his old "read between the lines" pot references again and that was actually ON WWE (ECW) TV!

And some not so long time ago WWE shopzone even sold a RVD shirt that read: "From coast to coast - NOBODY GETS HIGHER!"

So - EVERBODY in Stanford knew! But didn't care! Until now! :/

I can almost see Triple H laughing and joking with Steph (and unborn Damian): "I told you so, Vince! I told you so!"

Maybe Trips CALLED the cops, because RVD finally started to get over? Just kidding!



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#47 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.42
    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    Um, that's really not very fair. Up until this year and the ECW relaunch WWE seemed to do as much as possible to distance van Dam from the drug-taking gimmick. Ask any casual fan about WWE RVD and see if they automatically come to the conclusion that he's a stoner.


I don't know how you can say that. Maybe they haven't made a huge deal of it lately, but Heyman when he did color in Lawler's absence definitely did. And RVD in his promos has, maybe not every show but he definitely used Heyman's joke of "nobody gets as high as RVD" a few times. And considering how rarely he got real mic time early in his WWF career, I have a hard time believing promos like this one (slashwrestling.com) weren't at the very least outlined for him:


    "Trepidation? Hey, from my experience, a ladder match is extremely dangerous...but for the intercontinental championship, it's worth it. I know Eddie Guerrero is a Latino Heat, but that's gonna burn him up, 'cause tonight, I'm gonna climb that ladder, and I'm gonna grab that title. Because when it comes to climbing the ladder of success, nobody but NOBODY gets as high as R - V - D."


I don't know what you mean by distance themselves, but to me the connection has always been there, just beneath the surface to be pulled out when they want a cheap laugh or whatever they think the joke got them.

Now I understand Heyman and RVD saying it, two ECW guys, isn't the same as WWE promoting it, which is why I said "whether intentionally by scripting the promos or unintentionally by not telling him to stop." If WWE really didn't want the image there, it would have stopped the first time Heyman made the pun.
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#48 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.08
Well of course to you the connection was always there. You were most likely familiar with van Dam's reputation as a stoner before he ever appeared on WWE TV. And the sly mention are a nod to his ECW character, not a part of his WWE persona. Honestly, van Dam was never portrayed as a pothead on WWE TV. Never.

And Heyman was on color for all of three months when van Dam was around.

And even if the fed DIDN'T mind van Dam and Heyman hinting at it, it still doesn't mean they're hypocrites for punishing him over being busted whilst driving high. That's just a massive logic disconnect.



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#49 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.42
    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    Well of course to you the connection was always there. You were most likely familiar with van Dam's reputation as a stoner before he ever appeared on WWE TV. And the sly mention are a nod to his ECW character, not a part of his WWE persona. Honestly, van Dam was never portrayed as a pothead on WWE TV. Never.

    And Heyman was on color for all of three months when van Dam was around.

    And even if the fed DIDN'T mind van Dam and Heyman hinting at it, it still doesn't mean they're hypocrites for punishing him over being busted whilst driving high. That's just a massive logic disconnect.


OK, van Dam was popular and drawing a crowd reaction almost immediately upon his arrival in the summer of 2001. I never said his popularity is all due to his smoking, I said "it played at least a minor role in his rise to stardom of the last eight years," and the WWE, knowing this, exploited his ECW fame as well as, in small doses, his continued pot habit. Then they punished him for the same habit. Maybe hypocrite is too strong, but I have to say they must have seen it coming and have nobody to blame for their champion potentially humiliating the company but themselves.

RVD's an idiot too, don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to paint him as a victim, nor am I saying he should be immune for paying for this. But WWE knew about this WELL before he got arrested this weekend. Why does it take an arrest to take action? Because they didn't care until he got caught by the cops, that's why.

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#50 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.07
That his gimmick might or might not have been that of a stoner is moot. It's supposed to be a gimmick.
WWE doesn't expect Gene Snitsky to go out and accidentally abort babies, or to smell feet nowadays. Regal isn't a goodwill ambassador (taking you waaay back now) and Grenier isn't any type of ambassador of Quebec. Just like Eugene isn't a retard and not expected to act as one in his regular life (outside of WWE work environments).

So to say WWE portraying RVD as a stoner means that they condone it or want him to be one is nonsense.
Yes, he might smoke pot. Everyone knew or assumed. But he never got caught doing drugs. They might have looked the other way. But he got arrested now and is liable for punishment. Sad but fair.







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#51 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.03
I've driven high, and I couldn't focus on anything. The lights came to me quicker, and I was more liable to freaking out. Anybody who says otherwise just has a different "trip" when they get stoned...but to say that it's no different from being tired and driving is pretty damn false. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has driven high, realized it's a pretty bad idea, and never did it again.

I'm not proud of the times these things have happened, but in my own personal experience, marijuana actually hampers me more than alcohol. I really think it's a personal thing, as different drugs will affect different people in different ways. So uh, moral of the story: Only drive sober.

Wrestling is weird....to just say "it's his character", and then making WWE not liable for giving a wink wink, nudge nudge to his potsmoking isn't totally accurate. The examples given don't apply the same way, because Snitsky's babykilling gimmick isn't a nod to the fact that he kills babies in his spare time. It was something created totally separate of what he does outside the ring. RVD is not the same case. The potsmoking references on TV ARE a reference to his ACTUAL life, and thus are kind of exploiting (even if in a minimal way) that lifestyle he leads.

It's very easy for us to say "it's just a gimmick". I guess I just thought that, as wrestling fans, we would've come to terms by now that it's not so black and white, real and fake. RVD's pot gimmick is clearly based on his reality, and as such, I think it kind of promotes it a little bit.

Edit: AAAAAnd...even if you can argue it wasn't part of his WWE persona, the WWE clearly knew that he was a pothead by allowing him to make those little references. And for the love of Foley, anybody who didn't know RVD was a pothead at WWE should just be shot. "Nobody gets higher", "Dig the inhale (during the Goldust feud)", and all the other little nods here and there are just way too obvious.

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#52 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.74
    Originally posted by rv581
    And just for the record, I've NEVER heard of a wrestler dying because he OD'd on marijuana.


I have little to add to the ongoing debate since i don't think anyone knows enough about it to start either condemning or apologising for RVD and Sabu (do any reports explicitly state he was high whilst driving, as opposed to just being in possession?), but the reason you've never heard of anyone OD'ing on weed is because it's practically impossible: you'd probably suffocate on the smoke and die from lack of oxygen before getting to the required level to overdose on THC.



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#53 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.82
If I had known about this yesterday I would have toughed out the first hour of Raw and the DX skits.
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#54 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.94
    Originally posted by AWArulz
    THC reduces your immune system, and the ability to keep a job (watch RVD, for example).


RVD's been employed by WWE since 2001, and was employed by ECW for several years before that, so I'm not sure what you mean. He's never had trouble keeping a job.

    Originally posted by AWArulz
    A study among postal workers found that employees who tested positive for marijuana on a pre-employment urine drug test had 55 percent more industrial accidents, 85 percent more injuries, and a 75-percent increase in absenteeism compared with those who tested negative for marijuana use.


That doesn't prove that it was because of the marijuana.
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#55 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.08
For the love of GOD, the guy got BUSTED for carrying an ILLEGAL SUBSTANCE. Try doing that at your incredibly public job and see what happens.

Take off the rose-coloured glasses, guys.



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#56 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.86
    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    For the love of GOD, the guy got BUSTED for carrying an ILLEGAL SUBSTANCE. Try doing that at your incredibly public job and see what happens.

    Take off the rose-coloured glasses, guys.


Maybe WWE should start discouraging their workers from using illegal substances. That is instead of talking out of both sides of their mouth. Maybe not giving mediocre workers the best pushes because they have to be over a certain height and weight.
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#57 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.30
    Originally posted by hayden
      Originally posted by AWArulz
      THC reduces your immune system, and the ability to keep a job (watch RVD, for example).


    RVD's been employed by WWE since 2001, and was employed by ECW for several years before that, so I'm not sure what you mean. He's never had trouble keeping a job


He said "watch", not "look at". The difference being that we'll see what happens to RVD in the near future, not in the past. Hell, only 24 or so hours later and he's already lost his world title. Who knows how far they could decide to bury him over this.


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#58 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.89
So the "V" in "RVD" stands for Vicodin? Lovely.

Look, we can all agree that he was an idiot for getting caught. I would still like to see the evidence that he was high while driving, it would seem to me that he would have been held on reckless endangerment charges among other added ones had that been the case. Why would the Dub suppress this info if they've openly acknowledged the others?

And WWE has promoted marijuana use, so let's not even have that argument. It seems irrelevant that because their promotion of it was dubious specifically in Rob's case, that the company has any qualms about this habit. Don't you people remember the Godfather? The term "light a fatty" does not refer to incinerating obese persons with some kind of flame-thrower, I don't think. They have no problem making it a part of their show. Comparisons to Gene Skitsky are a little off, because I don't think there is any fear that impressionable kids are going to kill fetuses because of TV. Many believe, right or wrong, however, that they are going to use drugs if they see it on the tube.

I am not a weed user myself, but I happen to agree with Foley. Anything to keep these guys from popping pills like tic-tacs. Is he lighting one up before his matches? I hope not. Surely someone would notice his red eyes and predisposition to laughing uncontrollably at simple things, like the proportion of Trish's breasts to the size of her head, and the name "Dick Pound". It would, however, explain why he keeps potatoing people. If only we could get him not to kick the one in the middle...



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#59 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.91

And let us not forget the X-Pac catchphrase of "Your ass is grass & I'm gonna smoke it" ...
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#60 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.42
    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    For the love of GOD, the guy got BUSTED for carrying an ILLEGAL SUBSTANCE. Try doing that at your incredibly public job and see what happens.

    Take off the rose-coloured glasses, guys.


Look, there are two related but completely different stupid, ignorant mistakes here. One was on van Dam getting busted, the other was on WWE for putting two of its top three belts on a man they *promoted* as a guy that habitually does something the company says it would fire him for.

Van Dam has paid and will continue to pay for his mistake, but the only entity that can hold WWE accountable for its screwup is WWE itself. So they need to be a little more careful/honest/realistic/consistent in their standards for employee conduct. Saying you will be punished for smoking weed and then pushing to the moon (basing probably the most interesting angle the company's had in at least five years pretty much entirely around RVD) a guy who admits to smoking weed is pretty blatantly stupid.

It's no different than if they put the belt on a guy who said he was considering switching companies, then got upset when he decided to switch companies while champion.
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