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#21 Posted on

    Originally posted by spf2119
    Does that make up for the possible imaginary damage that can come from the perception of people smarks that those who aren't on the WM card itself are somehow more small time and not real contenders or people anyone should care much about?
I have corrected your post. ;-)

Let me provide an example, then maybe you can respond by making my argument for me...we'll see.

"As a Steve Blackman fan, I was just as happy that a Blackman/Sexay vs. Credible/X-Pac match aired during Heat as I would have been if it had aired during WrestleMania X-7." Okay, GO!



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#22 Posted on
Steve Blackman was a struggling midcarder on his best day, Rob Van Dam is more over then almost anyone on the roster at this point.

But hey, it's their loss not giving the people what and who they want on the biggest show of the year.
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#23 Posted on
RVD could host from an empty World and I wouldn't be to concerned. My only question is, considering there are no mid-card single titles, why leave the RAW tag champs off the expanded PPV? Plus, it lessens the likelihood of Pete Rose appearing as the Mariner Moose.



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#24 Posted on

    Originally posted by CRZ
    "As a Steve Blackman fan, I was just as happy that a Blackman/Sexay vs. Credible/X-Pac match aired during Heat as I would have been if it had aired during WrestleMania X-7."


As a Steve Blackman fan, you made out because you're able to buy the X-7 DVD and keep that match for posterity. :-)

If you are a Mr. Perfect fan, and got to see him live at Skydome at X-8, you would probably have been very happy. But, if you had nobody back home to tape the show for you, you'll probably never see his match again.

Point is, if it were a non-title match, I wouldn't care if it were on Heat as long as it's included on the DVD.

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#25 Posted on
CRZ:
"As a Steve Blackman fan, I was just as happy that a Blackman/Sexay vs. Credible/X-Pac match aired during Heat as I would have been if it had aired during WrestleMania X-7." Okay, GO!

HA!...YOU would have been happy if Mr. Personality would have been in the audience cheering for Hogan :-)

fuelinjected:
Steve Blackman was a struggling midcarder on his best day, Rob Van Dam is more over then almost anyone on the roster at this point.

But hey, it's their loss not giving the people what and who they want on the biggest show of the year.


WM will do just fine. And if you ARE a RVD fan (which I ain't), you should be happy he is in the big leagues as opposed to riding south with D'Lo to NWA-TNA. I wonder how many people would pay the $10 to see him there as opposed to curtain jerking on Free TV (not to mentioned being showcased on a show that cost $40)

(and if you would, good for you)

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#26 Posted on
Hey, I'm new here. (But that's not important.)

This whole thing strikes me as weird. On Raw, they announced the match would be part of Wrestlemania. On the WM website, the tag title match is right there with the rest of the matches. Don't you think the Hurricane will get his semi-traditional pre-PPV slot?
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#27 Posted on
If D'Lo was over a fraction of the way RVD is, he wouldn't be in NWATNA.

In your columns, you often rip on smarkiness and the dirt sheet mentality but it's pretty smarky to ignore the reaction Van Dam gets regardless of what you think of him.

Ever since July 2001, the fans have been vocal about wanting Rob Van Dam on top but here in 2003, many of them have probably given up on WWE giving their fans what they want.

It's bad enough he's being wasted feuding over some meaningless tag team titles. I remember when he ate the Pedigree in September, people on here said to wait for Survivor Series. Then they said wait for the Rumble, that's why he wasn't on Armaggeddon because that'd be beneath him. Wait for WrestleMania. Turns out Rob Van Dam isn't a big enough star to be on the biggest show of the year.
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#28 Posted on
Come on now - the match was made all of SIX days before the PPV. I know that's been WWE's habit over the last few years but, other than an interview confrontation, there's no ISSUE between RVD/Kane and Storm/Morley. If the Dudleyz were still faces, I'd argue it belong on the PPV, but really, who cares? There are so many better things on the card.

As for the Heat matches in earlier years (ie Blackman, Test, etc.), they're there to warm up the crowd and help sell some final PPV's. That's fine for what this match is.



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#29 Posted on
You're right, D-Lo would be in the warm-up match on Heat.

It's a stacked card.

Angle/Lesnar
Hogan/Vince
Rock/Austin
HHH/Book
Jericho/Michaels
V1/Rey
Trish/Victoria/Jazz
Guerreros/Benoit&Rhyno/Team Angle

I would rather see any of these matches; yes including the women's match.

Come to think of it, Jazz, Vicky, and Trish all sell better than RVD anyway. And Trish has MORE than earned her spot this year.

It's unfortunate that the new Mr. SUNDAY Night is curtain jerking...guess what, it happens. Jericho does it all the time. Maybe if there were more to his character than "Hey dude...relax." the shaved chimps that write RAW would have something deeper to set up storylines with.

Hell if Cena smacks Durst with a chair after schooling him in thugonomics then the 10 minutes we saved are worth it that much more.

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#30 Posted on
Could the match moving to the Heat time period have anything to do with the FREAKING ENORMOUS bandage/wrap on Lance Storm's left arm this past Monday?

Free TV = Shorter match = Lesser chance of increased injury to Lance.

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#31 Posted on
Actually. I think Lance has had that wrap (or some form of it) for quite a while now. I think it even pre-dates the red shorty-shorts. I think it's a nagging injury-thing, like Austin's knees.



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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
>I can't believe how you're all WHINING about this. Which
>appearance do you think would get Rob van Dam seen by more
>viewers - a match on the free Heat or a match on the
>$39.95 WrestleMania?

Have you seen the ratings for Heat? har har har (it's probably something along the lines of 900,000 to 500,000 and falling)

Dave said once that the Heat guys get a cut of the live audience revenue but not a slice of the PPV money.

Someone has pointed out that Heat is still on MTV this week, right? oh I guess I just did.
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#33 Posted on

    Originally posted by fuelinjected
    But hey, it's their loss not giving the people what and who they want on the biggest show of the year.
I don't know - *I* say the people want Rock vs. Austin. But that's only my opinion.



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#34 Posted on
The ratings seem to indicate otherwise about the interest in Rock/Austin but can't fans want more then one thing?

It's just disturbing to me that the top two matches for WrestleMania are being built around a non-wrestler (Vince), a guy who can barely walk (Hogan), a guy who's leaving in a month (Rock), and a guy who probably has a year or two left in the tank maximum (Austin). Oh and none of them work house shows either. While a guy who's young and very popular curtain jerks on Heat. Reminds me of that other company that used to be around...
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#35 Posted on
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If D'Lo was over a fraction of the way RVD is, he wouldn't be in NWATNA.

Well, D'lo was mad "over" at one point. And he had a coooler looking Frog Splash (you know the kind where you PIN the guy instead of rolling around like an idiot...) D'Lo is in TNA for the sole reason of breaking Droz's neck -(my opinion, but that's one of the few "burials" that I buy)

In your columns, you often rip on smarkiness and the dirt sheet mentality but it's pretty smarky to ignore the reaction Van Dam gets regardless of what you think of him.

I have never said he didn't get a reaction. But chanting Our V.D.(Herb!)is hardly a measuring stick. That's like saying Austin is "over" because people say "What".

And if I recall correctly, common "smark" thinking before HHH / Vince "buried" him was "you can't spell overrated without the letters R.V.D. The only reason I can think of that he is being portrayed as downtrodden is because people love the underdog. Watch how * we * turn on him when he gets his * run *...

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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95

    Originally posted by CRZ

      Originally posted by NickBockwinkelFan
      The pre-Wrestlemania Heat is still part of the live card in Seattle. I may be mistaken, but just because he and Kane are "jerking the curtain" on Heat doesn't mean they don't get a Wrestlemania payoff.
    That's right.

    I can't believe how you're all WHINING about this. Which appearance do you think would get Rob van Dam seen by more viewers - a match on the free Heat or a match on the $39.95 WrestleMania?



I think it just sucks that he's not on the main card. His burial is officially complete.



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#37 Posted on
All I want to know is WHY?

WHY was RVD left off the card like this and bumped down to HEAT? And don't say "Oh, RVD is terrible. He can't sell. His offense is too spotty, and his punches don't look good." OK, granted. But the fans LOVE HIM! He could be a main-event star if the WWE tried, but they continue to treat him like a jobber.

Was there really any good reason for this to be left off the card? Why?

So Vince McMahon can book HIMSELF an extra 8-minutes in his "main-event" with Hogan that no one cares about?

So Nathan Jones and Albert can get a few more minutes to suck all the heat out of the stadium? Or just to suck, for that matter.

So Fred Durst and the cat-fight girls can get more time to do nothing?

It's just a totally pointless move. I know a lot of matches will go a little long this year, but it's still a 4-HOUR PPV! There's plenty of time to let Angle/Brock, Hogan/Vince, HHH/Booker, Austin/Rock, and Michaels/Jericho have their matches, and still keep RVD/Kane v. Morley/Storm on the card.

This just seems like a move that allows Vince McMahon to take yet another piss on the career of Van Dam.

This move is just TOTAL bullshit. There's no way around it. Whether you like Van Dam or not. Whether you like Kane or not. Whether you like Storm or not. And whether you like Morley or not. There's no way that anyone can justify this move with a straight face.



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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95
Omega, you're forgetting that he's getting a HUGE push, after getting squashed by HHH. Just wait, it'll come!! Seriously!! Well, after Brock, Nathan Jones, John Cena, and a million other guys get their turn... THEN they'll pull the trigger on RVD. I'm sure that the WWE won't be bankrupt by then.



    Originally posted by RYDER FAKIN
    And if you ARE a RVD fan (which I ain't), you should be happy he is in the big leagues as opposed to riding south with D'Lo to NWA-TNA. I wonder how many people would pay the $10 to see him there as opposed to curtain jerking on Free TV (not to mentioned being showcased on a show that cost $40)

    (and if you would, good for you)

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I would. If he jumped to TNA, I would buy every pay-per-view they offered. And I'll bet you that a lot of other people would, too.



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#39 Posted on

    Originally posted by asteroidboy
    I would. If he jumped to TNA, I would buy every pay-per-view they offered. And I'll bet you that a lot of other people would, too.
Oh yes! Because it worked so well for ECW.



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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95

    Originally posted by CRZ

      Originally posted by asteroidboy
      I would. If he jumped to TNA, I would buy every pay-per-view they offered. And I'll bet you that a lot of other people would, too.
    Oh yes! Because it worked so well for ECW.


Well, that's just my opinion. I never watched ECW. But I know who RVD is, now. He's gotten a lot of exposure during his run in the WWE and if he left for TNA, I'll bet he'd take some people with him.



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