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Since: 7.1.02
From: Ho Bart

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#1 Posted on
Russo quit because he couldn't hack doing both Smackdown and Raw so maybe now that they've finally split, they'll bring him and Ferrara back, and maybe wrestling will be fun again.



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IM sorry, but I hope Vince Russo never comes close to anything wrestling related ever again. This is the same idiot that thought putting the WCW title on David Arquette was a good idea. The WWF is doing and has done just fine since he left.



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#3 Posted on
Can you seriously say Russo's not a better booker than the current lot? I know a lot of people hate Russo and that's all well and fine. But I mean, he pushed Scott Steiner instead of Hulk Hogan, he put the title on Booker T instead of Goldberg, he's got to be better than this lot.



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#4 Posted on
He also pushed Madusa, Ed Ferarra and Daffney as Cruiserweight Champions. Put the World Title on David Arquette and himself. Had said World Title change hands every week and a half to devalue it. Has Liger job to a tequilla bottle. Made the luchadores fight in a pinata match only to have them mauled by Dr. Death because Russo can't stand Mexican and Japanese wrestlers. Renamed Hugh Morrus to Hugh G. Rection. Rename Booker T as GI Bro. Shaved Ric Flair's head...



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#5 Posted on
In my opinion, pushing Booker and Steiner were the ONLY things he did right during his WCW run. His skits were senseless, his characters paper-thin, and the actual ANGLES Steiner and Booker were booked in were pretty pathetic. G.I. Bro?! Tank Abbot, potential world champ? Good lord...I often think the Internet folks are overrating themselves when they say they can out-book the people doing it now, but, in Russo's case, I think just about anyone out there could do a better job. Even Nash was better...



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#6 Posted on
I would be interested in seeing a Russo return as a contributing writer. People point to his WCW run, which I agree was in many ways a colossal failure, and to his worst WWF gimmicks, many of which I personally loathed as well. However he had a very good grasp of how to tell a complex story, something only Heyman seems to know on the current staff. I think Russo if contained, given only consulting power and no final approval, could be a positive addition to the current WWF staff. *gets a parka ready for Satan, since hell just froze over for him having said that.*



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Since: 9.1.02
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#7 Posted on
The reason Russo was good in his WWF days (like The Rock, Mankind, etc.) was because McMahon was there to filter out the shit that Russo would want to do. When he went to WCW and was given free-reign with no one holding him back, we all saw the total crap that McMahon and Jim Ross vetoed.

If Russo did come back (after McMahon brought out the "Kiss My Ass Club" one more time for him leaving a few years ago) McMahon could certainly use him for his fresh ideas and his ability to give a shit about the midcarders. Something none of the writers over the past couple years have been able to do.


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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.42
There are/were two aspects of Vince Russo's booking that I really enjoyed:

1)Give midcarders storylines
2)Get guys over in stables

This basically sums up his entire booking philosophy, which I agree with. The problem was, those midcard storylinesh e came up with sucked, and too few of his stables were fun to watch.



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Since: 3.1.02
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#9 Posted on
I thought he was back when they did the "paddle on a pole/bikini match" on Raw. not that I objected to the actual match or it's participants.



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Since: 16.2.02
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
Let's see, bring back the guy who brought us among other things Oklahoma, GI Bro, the Viagra on a Pole match, the Pinata on a Pole match (featuring Mexican luchadors, no less), Hugh G. Rection, The Artist, The Maestro, World Champion Vince Russo, and World Champion David Arquette. Thanks, but no thanks.





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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
Tribal Prophet had it spot on, Russo gets bashed pretty much solely on his WCW run when there was no-one to say "Hang on a minute" and filter him. Every Russo basher in this thread lists his WCW failures and omits his WWF success. While he also produced utter crap in the WWF too (Mae Young/Mark Henry anyone?) lets not forget that he did have his good moments, and without his input we wouldn't have had Attitude or the wrestling resurgence that followed. Let's not forget that Pre-Russo we had Henry Godwinn, the Body Donnas, the Smoking Gunns and a bunch of New Generation gimmicks that were stale as hell. While I'm no great fan of Russo, he did a lot of good that we shouldn't overlook.



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Vince Russo just didn't "get it" when it came to writing for wrestling. The same way you can say about a wrestler with a lot of raw talent just doesn't grasp that little unexplainable thing that gets him to the next level. I think that was Russo's problem, and Vince McMahon did a good job of taking that raw ability and getting a lot of worthy stuff out of it. I think seeing Russo out of his sheltered writing habitat produced what he would have loved to do while in WWF, but it was discarded by McMahon.

And as for seeing him in the WWF again, I hope the day never comes. I really enjoyed WWF TV this week, and I think they are finally realizing that going back to having a majority of the stories being told in the ring instead of on the mic will be the way to get out of the funk they are in. Russo's thinking, by remembering the WCW Fiasco, would be to put on more terrible skits.



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#13 Posted on

    Originally posted by Qubber
    While I'm no great fan of Russo, he did a lot of good that we shouldn't overlook.


If a guy has success early in his career but is never again able to duplicate that success, what are we to conclude?

Russo drummed himself out of the business for two reasons:

one, In his mind failure was always someone else's fault. Either the fans were too dumb, the wrestlers uncooperative, and so on. He never once learned from his mistakes (and god knows he had plenty of opportunities).

two, The obsession he had with putting himself at the center of storylines was suprememly irritating, then just laughable. And don't we already have Stephanie for that?

I say good riddance to bad rubbish.
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
I'm not disputing the fact that WCW under Russo was utterly unforgivable, rather that Russo in the WWF cannot be compared to Russo in WCW due to the completely different environments. In WCW there was no crap filter, the talent was less co-operative and apparently ideas were being altered as the shows were on air. To decide if Vince Russo is good as what he produced in the WWF, we'd need to see him in the WWF again to judge.

Haven't said that, I hope we don't get the chance to see him take away from the (looking to be) more ring based WWF, but I am thankful for the evolution that happened directly because of the Attitude era.



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#15 Posted on

    Originally posted by spf2119
    ...he had a very good grasp of how to tell a complex story...


Okay, can someone explain the whole Undertaker-Kane nonsense? This story became so ridiculous that it reached the level of self-parody. What other complex stories did he tell? The Higher Power? The Corporate Ministry? Sure, Austin-McMahon was awesome. But it became ridiculous with unexplained floating briefcases, Austin as CEO, and general disregard for anything close to reality.
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Since: 2.1.02
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#16 Posted on
I agree with everyone in this thread about wanting to see the stories told in the ring. But unless I fell asleep and missed the ghost of Giant Baba taking over the booking, there will always be non-ring oriented plots that need to be driven in the WWF. And that's where I think, in an environment where someone else ALWAYS has the veto on him, Russo might still be able to tell a nice story in a short contained sense, to answer HBK's complaint. Remember the buildup to SurSer 98? Probably storyline wise the best 6 week tv stretch the WWF has had in years. Russo is not at all interested in continuity or long-vision planning, which shouldn't be his job. Let someone else handle that aspect, come up with a long term goal, let Russo play with some of the 6 week planning (which nowadays would be long term forf the WWF I guess), and keep him reined in and edit him accordingly. Now if they could graft that on with Heyman's respect for wrestling, JR's old school sensibility and Steph's...ummm...ok I blank on what she brings to the table, but anyways...that could be a formidable and interesting booking group.



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"I thought it was cool how HHH just tossed Jericho out of the ring and made him vanish, possibly into another dimension, at the end of the match." - Dr. Unlikely says the funniest thing I've ever read on Wienerville.

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#17 Posted on

    Originally posted by spf2119
    there will always be non-ring oriented plots that need to be driven in the WWF.


But what is a "non-ring oriented plot," exactly? To me, anything that can't be settled in the ring falls under the heading of "Comic Diversion." And for the most part, people like Russo and Steph and Vince couldn't write something funny if their lives depended on it.

For some strange reason, the people who write WWF television seem to think we want to hear wrestlers talk, and talk, and talk. Plot can be moved along in any number of ways, but endless exposition by bad actors has inexplicably become part of the WWf formula. Well, the formula sucks, and Mr. Russo was one of the people who invented it.
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#18 Posted on
No matter how much I don't think Russo should come back on the WWF writing team, I have to admit that he had a few nice storylines. Chief among them in my mind was Rock/Mankind, which, while goofy, was just edgy enough to fit both the characters. (And it gave us the 'wonderful' "This Is Your Life" segment, which proved that people would've watched ANY wrestling (or lack thereof) at that time).

And I think everyone is forgetting that the Pinata on a Pole Match was actually a Pinata off a Pole Match. Not that that was Russo's fault, but in some cosmic/karmic way, I think it was.



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#19 Posted on
Shea: by non-ring oriented plot I meant that there will always be feuds based on something other than "I am a better wrestler than you" or "I want your title", but instead based on something extraneous to actual wrestling. Be it ownership of the company or being jealous someone has bigger boobs.



"You used it to shove your miserable daughter down our throats week in and week out...not anymore!" - Ric Flair gives me hope, Raw 3/18/02

"I thought it was cool how HHH just tossed Jericho out of the ring and made him vanish, possibly into another dimension, at the end of the match." - Dr. Unlikely says the funniest thing I've ever read on Wienerville.

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#20 Posted on
Ah, I remember the Vader/Mark Henry feud over who had the bigger boobs...that was a classic.



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