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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.00
    Originally posted by texasranger9
    If Sting is to do a one-off match, it should be against Micheals. I know this is far from happening. They both have so much in common outside the ring, but total opposits inside it. That would be the only match I would want to see Sting in the WWE.


Yeah; that much would've been something... in 1992.

Old Man Sting Vs. Ring Rust Shawn in 2011? No thanks.
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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
    Originally posted by PaulKTF
      Originally posted by texasranger9
      If Sting is to do a one-off match, it should be against Micheals. I know this is far from happening. They both have so much in common outside the ring, but total opposits inside it. That would be the only match I would want to see Sting in the WWE.


    Yeah; that much would've been something... in 1992.

    Old Man Sting Vs. Ring Rust Shawn in 2011? No thanks.


Shawn had years of ring rust built up, he and Hunter had a damn good comeback match.

Old Man Sting I won't argue with. Sting should just show up, accept his HOF ring, and go the hell away.



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.77
The only Taker matches that can get any heat are UT/Cena, UT/Sting, or UT/HHH (good idea whoever said it).

With the Cena match there would be legit doubt that Taker would win. Same with HHH if they did the angle with him avenging Shawn. Even smarks would be sweating it wondering if HHH would do the ultimate burial.

UT/Sting would be pretty obvious (no way they'd let Sting go over), but would have the Dream Match Wrestlemania feel.

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#24 Posted on
    Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
    The only Taker matches that can get any heat are UT/Cena, UT/Sting, or UT/HHH (good idea whoever said it).



No. I know it doesn't often seem like it, but they have a writing team and a booking team for a reason. Almost anyone on the roster, given the proper build, could generate enough heat to make it a good draw. From now to WM is more than enough time to elevate someone (new) to that spot. Even if that person is taking a loss, it's a loss to The Undertaker. At Wrestlemania.

Is Sting still that much of a draw? If you're a staunch WWE supporter, Sting has been off of your radar for about a decade. Oh hey, it's the guy with the bat who hung out in the rafters on that other show. I remember him.



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#25 Posted on
Edge/Del Rio with Christian going heel and costing Edge the belt would be my prefered option. And I'd rather they do Punk/Cena and Miz/HHH for the belt - Miz/HHH is pretty much totally fresh and shockingly HHH feels like a fresher title challenger than Cena. Then they could hopefully tempt Jericho back to do a blow-off with Orton.

Ut/Kane makes more sense is UT has to work a super-short match, and Barret/Skip Sheffield can put the tag titles up against Bryan 'n' Bateman. I'd buy this card.
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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
    Originally posted by Kidbrooklyn
      Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
      The only Taker matches that can get any heat are UT/Cena, UT/Sting, or UT/HHH (good idea whoever said it).



    No. I know it doesn't often seem like it, but they have a writing team and a booking team for a reason. Almost anyone on the roster, given the proper build, could generate enough heat to make it a good draw. From now to WM is more than enough time to elevate someone (new) to that spot. Even if that person is taking a loss, it's a loss to The Undertaker. At Wrestlemania.

    Is Sting still that much of a draw? If you're a staunch WWE supporter, Sting has been off of your radar for about a decade. Oh hey, it's the guy with the bat who hung out in the rafters on that other show. I remember him.


Ok, two points here, who has gotten the rub losing to Taker at Mania? Hmm.. no one. People are actually worse off after facing Taker at Mania. Second point is there is not enough time between now and Mania to just pick someone out of a hat to build up for Taker just to take down. There is very few people on that roster to make it believable they can beat Taker. Most like Edge, HHH, Kane and Orton have tried and failed. Cena is really the only one who could. Barret, Del Rio, Miz and others don't have the reputation like Shawn or the others to go into that match with the fans thinking they will probably win.

The Streak has become a double edge sword where it is fun to guess who will face Taker at Mania and if they can get a good match out of him. However, we all know that person is going to lose since Taker is so close to 20, he can taste and the fact they built the Shawn matches up so big, its almost damn near impossible to face Taker who is a threat. Cena is really the only one next to maybe Punk with all of Nexus at his side to have a real shot at it. I wouldn't mind seeing Sting to face Taker since its someone who has been established maybe they will acknowledge Sting's TNA resume which was only a year or so removed from being champ. Yet, if this is the only time we see Sting, I would prefer him to enter the HOF do a run-in in a Rey or Booker T match and leave quietly into the night. Unless, they can get Ric back and have him screw over Sting just for old time's sake.

I don't know about Miz/HHH for the belt since we all know where that will lead. Yet, I do agree that Cena and Orton should be nowhere near the title for Mania unless its against each other. I know people think its played, but they could do a great Hogan/Warrior out there and the fans would eat it up. Edge/Christian is the only match where it would feel big time to me for the belt.
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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.00
    Originally posted by lotjx

    Ok, two points here, who has gotten the rub losing to Taker at Mania? Hmm.. no one. People are actually worse off after facing Taker at Mania.


Orton comes to mind.
His match against the Undertaker was the first time when I felt the streak would be threatened and the first time I cared about Orton.

Most of the time they don't need to give the rub because it's usually an established star. (or someone we won't care about anyways so losing is no big deal)

I'm sure if they want to give the rub, they can.
"Geeez, Wade Barrett came closer than I thought. Pretty good for such an inexperienced guy"

    Originally posted by lotjx

    The Streak has become a double edge sword where it is fun to guess who will face Taker at Mania and if they can get a good match out of him. However, we all know that person is going to lose since Taker is so close to 20, he can taste and the fact they built the Shawn matches up so big, its almost damn near impossible to face Taker who is a threat.



I agree. It cannot get bigger than the two Shawn matches.
But they can use that to their advantage "will he win? will he do what Shawn couldn't do?"
UT and Shawn were 'equal'. With a guy like Barrett or Punk or whoever they put in there, they can play up the "new guy trying to take out the old legend" angle again that they used with Orton.

    Originally posted by lotjx


    Edge/Christian is the only match where it would feel big time to me for the belt.


Yeah, ok. This is where you let the inner-fanboy out a bit too much. Why would it feel big?
Christian of course is nothing but a midcarder who hasn't been on tv for a long while. Their history has been downplayed for a long time now.
Edge vs Christian for a title would be even more of a foregone conclusion than Undertaker vs Hornswoggle.
Now if we talk about the opener at WM just for bragging rights then it would kick ass.





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#28 Posted on
    Originally posted by lotjx
    Ok, two points here, who has gotten the rub losing to Taker at Mania? Hmm.. no one.


Snuka. Took the loss, now he's in the Hall of Fame.

I'm certain that between now and Mania, they could build up someone like Barrett to be enough of a threat in the eyes of the fans to beat an oft-injured 45 year-old. But maybe I have too much faith in the WWE machine. I'm not saying it will be OMG MOTY UT-HBK v.2k11. But it doesn't have to be.



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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.00
    Originally posted by Kidbrooklyn
      Originally posted by lotjx
      Ok, two points here, who has gotten the rub losing to Taker at Mania? Hmm.. no one.


    Snuka. Took the loss, now he's in the Hall of Fame.



Yeah; but that was in 1991, only 5 months into The Undertaker's WWE career- before the streak, and before he really meant much of anything in the promotion.
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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.08
    Originally posted by PaulKTF
      Originally posted by Kidbrooklyn
        Originally posted by lotjx
        Ok, two points here, who has gotten the rub losing to Taker at Mania? Hmm.. no one.


      Snuka. Took the loss, now he's in the Hall of Fame.



    Yeah; but that was in 1991, only 5 months into The Undertaker's WWE career- before the streak, and before he really meant much of anything in the promotion.

Yeah, the Undertaker wasn't giving anybody any kind of "rub" that early into his career.

For those doubting the drawing power of Sting in 2011 WWE, what say you about the Ricky Steamboat experiment two years ago? It wasn't headliner material, but that was pretty successful, right? And I feel like he was more off the radar than Sting is. He'd just have to make several pre-Mania appearances to fuel a feud. Whether that's feasible or not is another question though.

EDIT: And let's not forget where Wrestlemania is being held this year. In-arena crowd reaction plays a huge part in how well a match is received by the viewing audience at large.

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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
    Originally posted by lotjx
    Ok, two points here, who has gotten the rub losing to Taker at Mania? Hmm.. no one. People are actually worse off after facing Taker at Mania.


Yeah, whatever happened to Randy Orton, Batista, and Edge anyway? The thing is, if everybody does it then no one can be hurt by it.


    The Streak has become a double edge sword where it is fun to guess who will face Taker at Mania and if they can get a good match out of him. However, we all know that person is going to lose since Taker is so close to 20, he can taste and the fact they built the Shawn matches up so big, its almost damn near impossible to face Taker who is a threat.


For sure it's an anticlimax at this point, especially after last year, but in the big picture, the purpose of Undertaker's match isn't to make people wonder if he'll lose, it's just to have the Undertaker's winning streak featured in a major, interesting match at Wrestlemania. It's part of the yearly spectacle now -- the mass appeal isn't in seeing it broken, it's in seeing it continue.


    Originally posted by Kidbrooklyn
    I'm certain that between now and Mania, they could build up someone like Barrett to be enough of a threat in the eyes of the fans to beat an oft-injured 45 year-old. But maybe I have too much faith in the WWE machine. I'm not saying it will be OMG MOTY UT-HBK v.2k11. But it doesn't have to be.


'zactly. Presumably Taker and Barrett will also have an actual issue beyond Man Wants To End Streak, Tries the way it was the last few years. He buried him for a reason, one that possibly ties into a long storyline dating back to why Nexus existed. Or maybe he just did it to make an impact and/or be a jerk.

Plus there's a pretty good chance that they'll also ask Michaels to save it again, as Mr. Shh brought up in this thread. And then "Will Shawn screw UT out of bitterness" will add the "hmm" factor. (Plus Shawn could help carry and stretch out a match that could otherwise be a struggle by working referee dissension spots with both guys and probably getting beaten up and making his comeback.)


    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    Miz/HHH is pretty much totally fresh and shockingly HHH feels like a fresher title challenger than Cena.


Yeah but give him a two weeks back and he won't.


    Barret/Skip Sheffield can put the tag titles up against Bryan 'n' Bateman.


I don't think Bateman is going to be on Wrestlemania. Unless he really brushes up on his submission wrestling and trivia, or there's a 20-on-20 tag match that replaces Money in the Bank.

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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.31
    Originally posted by StingArmy
      Originally posted by PaulKTF
        Originally posted by Kidbrooklyn
          Originally posted by lotjx
          Ok, two points here, who has gotten the rub losing to Taker at Mania? Hmm.. no one.
        Snuka. Took the loss, now he's in the Hall of Fame.

      Yeah; but that was in 1991, only 5 months into The Undertaker's WWE career- before the streak, and before he really meant much of anything in the promotion.
    Yeah, the Undertaker wasn't giving anybody any kind of "rub" that early into his career.
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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
We need a sarcasm button much like Facebook's like button. Orton is probably the only one that actually got better after facing Taker. Mainly due to the fact he turned the chokeslam into the RKO. At that point I think everyone realized he might pull it off. He was also considered damaged goods after his ill-fated face turn and HHH burying him at the Rumble. Edge and Batista were already multi-time champions and fairly established. Batista/Taker was a good match, but the placement in the card was just akward and it really seem to kill the crowd after it was over. I am not sure Batista was seen as being that good after that match.

If they pimped Edge's undefeated streak, they could have gotten more miles out of that, but with all the interference from the Edgeheads and Vickie. It turned what could have been a great match into almost every Taker match since his ladder match in 2002 with Jeff Hardy. Young wrestler comes close to beating Taker, He revives and buries the young wrestler even with a respectful pat on the back. There are cases of other good matches and feuds where he has jobbed, but its mainly due to the quality of who he faces like Kurt or Kane. The Kane storyline did a nice job of making him more human, but he is a little too late for that.
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#34 Posted on
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    It's part of the yearly spectacle now -- the mass appeal isn't in seeing it broken, it's in seeing it continue.


Vindication! Finally, after all these years!

(I think we debated this point/I said something similar in a by-gone thread, back when I thought internet was serious business and I hated your guts...)


















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#35 Posted on
    Originally posted by lotjx
    Batista/Taker was a good match, but the placement in the card was just akward and it really seem to kill the crowd after it was over. I am not sure Batista was seen as being that good after that match.


Actually, I personally had much more respect for Batista after seeing that match. Batista opened a lot of eyes with his inspired performance, and subsequent matches with Taker were held in higher esteem. Once Batista got back to wrestling the same old guys again, then he fell back to earth. So I think Batista definitely got some kind of "rub" directly because of his WM match with Taker.





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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.08
    Originally posted by CRZ
    Is there some way I could get you guys to stop taking the jokes seriously?

Have the jokes be funny?

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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    at this time two years ago the planned lineup for WM25 was

    Cena vs. Orton for the Raw world title
    HHH vs. Edge for the SD world title
    Michaels vs. JBL for slavery freedom
    Undertaker vs. Kozlov for the streak
    Jeff Hardy vs. Christian for being a secret assassin


Don't forget Chris Jericho vs. Mickey Rourke. What an array.


    Originally posted by lotjx
    Edge and Batista were already multi-time champions and fairly established.


Aye, that's my point. No one lost anything by losing to him. You can't suck for not beating the Undertaker if nobody can. They had a great match and then they got Tombstoned (or leg-choke thingied) and the shows were better because of it.


    Originally posted by Whattaburger
      Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      It's part of the yearly spectacle now -- the mass appeal isn't in seeing it broken, it's in seeing it continue.


    Vindication! Finally, after all these years!

    (I think we debated this point/I said something similar in a by-gone thread, back when I thought internet was serious business and I hated your guts...)

    (...you bastard.)



How daaaaare you say this to me.

Yeah, I always thought ending the streak would be this surefire way to make a superduper star, but after the emotion of the last two years it's become way too special to end it. I used to think of it like you wouldn't let someone retire as world champion, but it's become bigger than being world champion, even by the old standards of world championships.
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#38 Posted on
Thinking out loud:

-Wouldn't a credible opponent for Undertaker be The Big Show? Sure the match would suck, but it would at least throw a hint of doubt into the match.

-Seems like they are not pushing the Orton/Cena thing too much. But, really that match is not going to be Rock/Austin part deux like they think it is. Orton's chants would blow Cena out of the water (except in the Northeast).

-Barret/Edge for the title? Not bad.
-The Miz/...wait. No way is Miz carrying that title into Wrestlemania. But if it was maybe a returning HHH. Better.
C.M. Punk/Cena. Best.



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#39 Posted on
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro

    Yeah, I always thought ending the streak would be this surefire way to make a superduper star, but after the emotion of the last two years it's become way too special to end it. I used to think of it like you wouldn't let someone retire as world champion, but it's become bigger than being world champion, even by the old standards of world championships.


There's no way you sell out the streak to make a star at this point. Not only is the steak to important, but how do you know if you are giving that kind of rub to the next Cena or the next Mr Kennedy or Bobby Lashley.

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#40 Posted on
I would like to see:

WWE Championship
The Miz vs. John Cena

Randy Orton vs. CM Punk

World Championship
Edge vs. Christian (or John Morrison)

The Undertaker vs. Wade Barrett

US Championship
Alex Riley vs. Jerry The King Lawler (King should finally have a match at WM as well as finally win some sort of title in WWE!)

Sheamus vs. Triple H

Alberto Del Rio vs. Rey Mysterio (added stipulation)

US Championship
Daniel Bryan vs. Dolph Ziggler

John Morrison (or Christian) vs. Kane

NO Money in the Bank at WM, please! It's just too much with the PPV coming a few months later.


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