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Is this the last version of this thread where we will speculate almost aimlessly? Probably not!

    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Originally posted by Amos Cochran
      So if we take the ME segment as a tacit admission that yes, Punk Vs. HHH and Bryan Vs. HBK are set for WrestleMania, then where does that leave the title? Cena holding it? Facing who?


    "The John Cena TMZ interview where he said Hulk Hogan was too old to wrestle is said to have been something of significance and not an off the cuff remark."


Or not!

    Originally posted by Wrestling Observer
    This is the latest on the WrestleMania scorecard. Hulk Hogan isn’t signed as of this moment but people are talking confidently about the idea he’d be with the company and involved with Mania in some form. However, it is openly believed and talked about internally that he is not expected to wrestle, with the belief even if they wanted him to he could not pass medicals so the idea of a Cena & Hogan tag match is thought to be unlikely, and more likely is just an appearance, somebody running into his fist, a promo and posing.

    Batista is openly talked about as being in great shape and probably coming back.

    If Michaels is wrestling on the show, it is something kept quiet. Internally people are being told it is not the case, and friends of Michaels continue to also say they don’t think it’s happening. Michaels has directly told people he is not going to do another match. As I’ve mentioned before, people who are there who are very smart on the landscape and how things operate, who don’t know but are right most of the time, have believed he would wrestle Bryan at Mania even before the superkick on Bryan angle played.

    There have been talks with Goldberg, which he’s admitted and openly talked about, but in his case, the word is that he drives a hard bargain so it doesn’t sound like they are close.

    At this point, RVD is not in the plans for Mania.


    Originally posted by a rewrite of PWInsider
    WWE wants Shawn Michaels to return for a match against Daniel Bryan at WrestleMania XXX, but the ball is said to be "completely in his court."

    Even though they teased some tension between HBK, CM Punk and Daniel Bryan on TV during his last few appearances, there is no talk of HBK facing Punk at WrestleMania or teaming up with someone to face Punk and Bryan. If Michaels agrees to work one more match, it's going to be against Daniel Bryan.


Batista is a fun new variable. Sadly he probably wouldn't come back as a heel, right? Even though he's even actually a movie star for reals now. Batista/Lesnar is a match that Dave always wanted, which would free up Undertaker for Cena. I don't know if they already have their heart set on Taker/Lesnar or what. Cena/Batista and Hunter/Batista already happened at a Wrestlemania. Orton/Batista is also old news although it would definitely play into the storyline.

Punk/HHH seems to be getting close to locked in.

As for Orton and the title, I'll just hope this isn't relevant.

    Originally posted by Observer
    It’s no great revelation that Reigns is being groomed down the line for one of the top spots on the babyface side with a big push at the Rumble. That said, if anything, the plans right now are even bigger than one would have thought.
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See, I read that Reigns line and thought he meant Reigns was getting the Undertaker at WM and maybe even winning. (Maybe not even this year, but next.) Everyone seems to think he's going to win the title so I was aiming higher, btu that's what vagueness gets you.



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Pushing Reigns at the level of Rumble winner and eventual Orton challenger would be a bad idea. They're going to "Diesel" him if they're not careful, in that he'll only become interesting once his push ends. His character just isn't ready for that yet.

He's got the look and the physical ability to make it, but he should feud with Ambrose first, because we really have no idea who Roman Reigns is yet.


It's crazy and exciting to me how little we know. Even last year, Cena/Rock, HHH/Lesnar and Punk/Undertaker looked likely. Maybe we thought it could be Cena/Rock/Punk at one point, but overall, there was a pretty clear course plotted.

I do think that Undertaker/Lesnar is almost a lock, though. They've been wanting to do it for years, both men are free so far that night.

(edited by SKLOKAZOID on 18.12.13 2314)
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.03
That Reigns bit makes it sound like undefeated WWE Champion Roman Reigns is going over Undertaker at WM31. Higher than higher than high.

I've just assumed the Shield split would be abrupt and nonsensical-by-numbers, but say Reigns *does* win the title at WM30? The jealousy angle writes itself. You could tease the split for months. It's almost too bad they vaporized the big gold belt - it'd be perfect for that purpose, where it's awfully early to put the WWE belt on Reigns (particularly when fans may be eager to see Daniel Bryan win it).

It still beats the alternative. Anything is preferable to Orton and Sheamus sullying the legacy of their ***** East Rutherford classic with a rematch.
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If Reigns is their big plan for the title at the show, they've got to have something worthwhile planned for Bryan in its place. Or they really are just insane and trolling. I'd like to believe that Michaels is savvy enough to know that continually teasing a return but not delivering will just get people irritated with him, and he's been all too willing to jump back into playing a character these last coupla months. Don't let us down, Shawn.
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.28
HBK v Bryan... I am REALLY torn here.



On the one hand... it's HBK vs Daniel Bryan.

But on the other hand, as good as this match will be, do we honestly think that this (or HHH/Punk for that matter) will close the show over the featured title match like Cena Rock did?

It's just... I really don't want to sound ungrateful here, as Bryan v Michaels would tear the house down, but this sort of has an inkling of keeping Bryan away from the true ME scene & keeping fans on side by using Michaels as the proverbial dangling carrot. All the while, WWE are then free to have their chosen few actually close the show, whilst nice guy DB (who's not really gonna kick up a fuss is he?) happily settles for second best.


There, I said it.





PS: I feel like such an ungrateful arse for saying the above, so forgive me. I just REALLY want to believe that HBK v Bryan is being done with the best of intentions and there are no ulterior motives at play, that's all.







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Bryan vs. HBK would be amazing at Elimination Chamber not a Wrestlemania. The ulterior motive is for HBK to get a big paycheck for doing one night of work much like Taker is doing while the rest of the roster is busting their ass 300 days a year for a smaller one. Bryan should be in the main event. He is their most over guy and has worked his ass off since he has been there to earn that spot. Unfortunately, its going to be Cena/Orton. While Punk/Bryan vs. DX and I doubt both members are going to lay down on the same night.

Reigns is intriguing, but I still think the Shield as a whole is better than individually right now. Next year maybe, but not right now. Taker's streak should never end.

(edited by lotjx on 19.12.13 0714)


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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.84
I'm going to follow Justin and put my neck in a noose: there is no way they're going to do Cena/Orton at WrestleMania.
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The one thing, the only thing, that they should be concentrating on with Reigns re: Wrestlemania is making sure they don't accidentally book him to eat a pointless loss at one of them before he's actually ready to be The Man. Let him slowly develop the New Streak, and if he's actually got everything they want, let him retire Undertaker at a Survivor Series (with a "Will it end where it all began?!" build).

Some weeks back, I put my ideal WMXXX at: Cena/Undertaker, Punk/HHH, Bryan/Lesnar, Shield Breakup, Randy Orton Does Something. This was when I felt very confident about Michaels not coming back for Bryan. I'm somewhat less confident of that with him committing to being heel this past week (which could have just been him being smart and reading the crowd, but it was a nice reminder that he still remembers how to do it well after years of playing either HHH's Lois Lane or Idiot Shawn in DX).

If Michaels does come back for Bryan/HBK, I guess it is Lesnar with Undertaker (which I'm not crazy about, but whatever) and leave Cena with nowhere to go other than Cena/Orton (which I also can't see as the headliner, which it would almost have to be) or Cena/HHH/Punk (which could be the headliner, to keep Cena and HHH happy and throw Punk the bone of finally getting to headline a Wrestlemania, seemingly his last real goal). This one only intrigues me as yet another round of "Cena teases going heel but doesn't."

I think the biggest question in trying to figure out the card is: what closes the show? In any combo, Bryan/HBK doesn't close it. In any combo, Cena/Undertaker does. I don't see Brock/Undertaker closing it (at least, I wouldn't, since that one gives you the highest chance of the "injured Undertaker" worst case scenario). The only current potential matches involving the Undisputed World Heavyweigh(t) Championship that feel like they could close the show are Bryan/Orton (if billed as a saga closer with HHH and the McMahons given prominent roles to keep them all happy), Bryan/Cena II (same) or Bryan/Orton/Cena (again where you close the go-home show with Cena's eyes turning red and staring intently at a briefcase with CORPORATE CHAMPION written on it and he looks into the camera and goes "Maybe THIS time!" but then he doesn't turn and comes out laughing on the post-Mania Raw whether he won or lost.)

Anyway, back to Roman Reigns as #1 Guy In The Company, don't pull the trigger on it until he comes up with a way to flick his hair out of his face in the direction of the Wrestlemania sign instead of pointing at it. When he figures out how to do that: new boom period.
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I do wonder if they truly did not anticipate Bryan continuing to be as hot as he is, and if his reactions are making them rethink everything.

If Bryan/HBK happens, it most certainly can go on last. HBK's retirement match went on last, so his one-time-only-coming-out-of-retirement can go on last too.

There are too many variables with people they're trying to sign. Hogan, Goldberg, Sting(?), now Batista?

As others have alluded to, after pulling the trigger on unifying the titles and creating one champion, there's still a huge risk the title match at Mania will be 5th most important. That ain't right. But I have a solution - WrestleMania X.


    However, it is openly believed and talked about internally that [Hogan] is not expected to wrestle, with the belief even if they wanted him to he could not pass medicals so the idea of a Cena & Hogan tag match is thought to be unlikely, and more likely is just an appearance, somebody running into his fist, a promo and posing.
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.84
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    See, I read that Reigns line and thought he meant Reigns was getting the Undertaker at WM and maybe even winning. (Maybe not even this year, but next.) Everyone seems to think he's going to win the title so I was aiming higher, btu that's what vagueness gets you.


The problem there is that the report you're responding to has him as a top babyface; I don't think there's any way UT would be seen as a heel by the fanbase during his rare appearances. IF they were to have him lose at this point, I think it'd almost have to be to a heel that fans want to cheer who slowly but surely earns their respect through the match -- something akin to the Jeff Hardy-Undertaker match a while ago, except the opponent wins.
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I have a hard time with this Roman Reigns speculation. I love the guy, but I don't see why there would be a need - barring something like a major injury to one of the top, top players - to rush the inevitable with him. Winning the Rumble? Beating the Undertaker? What?

(I fully admit that I wish they could find a way to keep the Shield together in some form, like how Edge and Christian never actually feuded, (right?) forever.)

Why not have Reigns go in to the Rumble at like #7, spear a bunch of fools, and then be the One Guy You Wouldn't Expect in the final 4 or 5? Give Rollins and Reigns another tag title, uh, reign, after Dean loses the US title (he has to defend that eventually, right?) Maybe have Reigns win Money in the Bank.

Here's the thing...you've got (presumably) some combinations or Cena, Orton, Punk, Bryan, Lesnar and Taker. That's three singles matches...and at least 90 minutes of the broadcast, and that doesn't include HBK OR HHH. (Or the speculated Cody/Goldust match.) Give the Shield guys the "hot match in the first hour" spot in some combination...maybe Dean and Rollins win the tag titles while Reigns wins the US or IC title, flipping the script from this fall with Reigns having the major singles title in the Shield.

There's really no need to rush Reigns into the upper card for Q1 of 2014. But didn't they kind of shockingly elevate Cena quickly back in the day? I guess if they see the same in Reigns I can see their thinking, but, but...

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The Rumble spots for The Shield that seem like no-brainers:

-Reigns becomes Kane: eliminates the most people

-Demolition spot: Shield are all among the top five or six entrants, clear the ring as a team ("Numbers game, Maggle!"), Ambrose and Reigns start to jaw with each other and Rollins tries to stop them from exploding, Big Show comes out next (as the the only guy big enough to take them more than 90 seconds to eliminate, allowing you to refill the ring)

-Ambrose eliminates Reigns or Reigns eliminates Ambrose. OR Reigns and Ambrose eliminate each other as Rollins looks on in shock to set up the Shield Three Way for the US title (Reigns wins to go 2-0 at Wrestlemania).

I do agree it would be wise to keep Reigns alive for the final handful of people to gauge the audience reaction when everyone realizes who the final five are. Let's assume Bryan, Punk, Reigns, Sheamus and Unimportant Fifth Person are all left in the ring and #30 has already come out. You have the bit where all five realize they're the survivors (ideally Punk/Bryan/Sheamus/Fifth Guy in the four corners, Reigns in the middle) and then have Reigns go off and spear all of them before getting overpowered/"accidentally" screwed by Ambrose. If the crowd goes nuts for that, and I think they would, 2014 should be Reigns' march to the title at WMXXXI.
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.85
    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
    ("Numbers game, Maggle!")


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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.72
    Originally posted by JayJayDean
    There's really no need to rush Reigns into the upper card for Q1 of 2014. But didn't they kind of shockingly elevate Cena quickly back in the day?


Yes and no. While Cena was champ within two and a half years of his debut, WWE actually took a good step-by-step approach to his main event push....

* early 2003: caught fire with the rapping gimmick
* mid-2003: was put into main events against the likes of Lesnar and Undertaker to see how he could handle high-profile matches and opponents, apparently passing the test
* late 2003: turns face

* early 2004: wins the US title by beating Big Show at Wrestlemania XX. Everyone focuses on the ending of WM20 as "the company building its new stars" but don't forget the result of the opening match. Cena wins his first secondary title, beats a well-established veteran and people forget, the MSG crowd was absolutely RED-HOT for Cena that night.

* throughout 2004: Cena is involved in various feuds over the US title, winning and losing the belt a few times but generally serving as the upper midcard/lower main event top face of Smackdown. Even in his losses, he was still being well-protected...no random losses in non-title matches like how the secondary champs are treated today.

For me, the ideal Reigns push would be to have a Reigns/Ambrose/Rollins bout at WM30 over the US title, with Reigns winning and then actually carrying the belt for much of the year to establish him as a face and as an actual character. If all goes well, then book him to win the title at WM31. If Reigns is well-protected and actually as good as the backstage hype hints, he'll take full advantage.



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.45
    Originally posted by Big Bad
      Originally posted by JayJayDean
      There's really no need to rush Reigns into the upper card for Q1 of 2014. But didn't they kind of shockingly elevate Cena quickly back in the day?


    Yes and no. While Cena was champ within two and a half years of his debut, WWE actually took a good step-by-step approach to his main event push....


Yeah, Cena's push, while in the big picture took only a couple of years, was pretty gradual.

It was actually a pretty organic rise to the top, as I think Vince was gunning for Batista to be his top guy, so Cena was actually something that the people wanted at one point.

By WrestleMania 21, when both Cena and Batista went over, we were actually afforded the chance to have it both ways and see how they played out, but it became pretty clear pretty quick, that Cena was the guy that moved the most merchandise and, once he was put on RAW, that was really where he was poised at the top. Beating HHH at WM22 cemented it.

I wasn't a huge fan of there being two separate world titles, but Cena/Batista is one of those situations that makes a good case for it. (It's still overall a bad idea)


I actually wouldn't mind seeing Bryan/HBK on a B-PPV to do something interesting between the Rumble and WrestleMania, but it's hard to see HBK coming out of retirement for anything but a WrestleMania match.

But Bryan/HBK only makes sense to me if Punk's the Rumble winner and gunning for the WWE World Title or Bryan's already WWE World Champion and is defending against HBK somehow, but then you have to also deal with the Royal Rumble winner and all that mess.

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I'd really like a full year of Reigns crushing people on his own before they do anything. Maybe he is the guy to hold both the IC and US Titles (having him win the from Rollins and the Ambrose would be nice). Have him run through people like the Ultimate Warrior with the IC Title or Goldberg with the US Title.

I'd hate for him to screw up too early because he wasn't ready and have the WWE totally sour on him or get jumpy on whether he is a heel or face, and I'd really like him to get good at his craft so he doesn't end up like a Bobby Lashley or Ryback.

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    Originally posted by texasranger9
    Going out on a limb here, but Taker will face a new opponent next year. They will break up The Shield. And the one to face Taker is... Roman Reigns. Not the one I want to see but I will predict he gets the chance. I also predict it will be Ambrose vs Rollins. With Rollins being the face that left The Shield.


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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.84
Reigns is already way better and far less green than Ryback or Lashley. He's spent the year working alongside two of the best new workers they've hired and against the top guys in the company. He's seasoned.
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First of all, D-Bryan has to win the WWE World Heavyweight Championship in the main event (to close the show with Yes-chants) of next year's Wrestlemania, period! The best possible opponents for him right now would be Orton or Cena. If they go in any other direction, they have lost their minds.

With that being said, HBK vs. Bryan has to happen too, rather sooner than later, and it has to be at Wrestlemania.

As solution I only see one scenario: Wrestlemania X!

Bryan (Bret) vs. Shawn (Owen),
while Orton (Yoko) first defends against Cena (Lex),
then in the main event Bryan defeats Orton or Cena to finally win the gold.









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