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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.05
I don't think these are even rumors anymore. We've got the whole top of the card on the verge of breaking.

Roman Reigns vs. Brock Lesnar
Sting vs. Triple H
John Cena vs. Rusev
The Undertaker vs. Bray Wyatt
Randy Orton vs. Seth Rollins
Daniel Bryan vs. Sheamus

not sure how the Fast Lane prematch plays into Cena/Rusev. presumably some kind of disputed finish, but Rusev actually beating Cena the first time (gasp) could lend pretend drama to the new tradition of the Cena's Legacy match at Wrestlemania.

Wyatt's continued strong push through the Rumble seems like a strong indication that the Undertaker deal is on. Something about the now-mortal and feeble Taker on the same card with Sting as basically a second Undertaker in two separate matches makes this guest star lineup feel a lot more clogged up than the last few years of Rock/Cena/Lesnar/HHH/Taker/Punk combinations.

Orton's been held out for this long that it seems highly unlikely they'd blow through him and Rollins before Mania.

And yep, PWinsider says Bryan against a heel Sheamus is back on, to fulfill the Empire Strikes Back arc of this year's booking. Sheamus was kept out of the Rumble and might've been ready to go for a while but was being saved to do the big turn on Bryan. Maybe he puts him in the casket on Thursday.

Dolph Ziggler challenged Bryan to a Mania match on Twitter for funsies, which Bryan accepted, but presumably this is not legally binding.

By my count, Bryan would actually be lower on this year's card than he was (5th from the top) on last year's original lineup. Like I said last year, it really is an eminently logical feud (and would've been perfect as a non-Kane program for last spring). Nevertheless. You know.

Goldust is finishing up soon to become an agent but he and Cody seem less poised for their dream Mania match this time than at any of the last, like, four.

As for Dolph Ziggler and Dean Ambrose, they might be getting handed some promos about how much it would mean to have that Wrestlemania moment of winning the Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal trophy and all the accompanying success that it carries. Maybe this time they'll duck Big Show's punches.

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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.20
Seems they can't keep Miz and Damien together much longer nor should they. Miz gets another Mania and Sandow would get his moment in the sun.

I have faint, dim, weak hopes that Orton and Sheamus come back with slightly tweaked presentations. Orton surrenders the crazy gimmick to Ambrose, and Sheamus ditches the stovepipe hairdo.

I would have no problem with any of these matches. Except potentially for Taker. I'd like to think his demeanor at last year's Mania was to sell vulnerability and somewhat dilute Brock's accomplishment (time caught up with him, he's just a man, Brock couldn't do it at Taker's peak, etc.).



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.76
Sheamus/Bryan again, eh? WWE might want to hide that Daniel Bryan doc from last year where both guys complain openly about being shunted down the card at Wrestlemania 27 and 28.



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.64
At this stage, Cena vs Bryan would be the match I'd do for WrestleMania 31. I'd have Bryan win again, but have it be a close match, just because Cena won last year and Bryan should get something for being super popular and shunted down the card like he's being.

I'd be okay with Bryan vs Rollins, too, but Orton vs Rollins should be great and has a built-in revenge story that I like, so I see no need to change that one.

Cena/Rusev shouldn't happen at WrestleMania if it's happening at Fast Lane. I'm sure it'll be a setup match of some kind, but it's really not that big of a deal as a match if they're doing it twice in a row.

But hey, people really care about Bryan vs Sheamus so much they just have to do it again. Bryan should obviously win this one.
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.59
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro

    Roman Reigns vs. Brock Lesnar
    Sting vs. Triple H
    John Cena vs. Rusev
    The Undertaker vs. Bray Wyatt
    Randy Orton vs. Seth Rollins
    Daniel Bryan vs. Sheamus


That looks like a lot of singles matches without even having one of the secondary belts involved (possibly two: does Cena challenge for the US title?), and a Divas title match, tag match and ARMBaR still to fit in there.

The biggest Wrestlemania booking impediment, even bigger than the Part Time Cameo Guy issue, is how thoroughly they've made the secondary belts meaningless (Rusev is protecting the US title...nobody is challenging Rusev to win that belt, they're challenging Rusev to beat him, which would be as big an accomplishment without the belt) or outright undesireable (the IC title is borderline toxic right now, part Old Maid card, part cursed relic that permantently reduces all of your character stats and abilities). Fans have been taught that winning the IC title is beneath Reigns, Rollins, Bryan and Ziggler at this point, which is sad in the case of the two Shield guys. Especially Reigns. This should be the year that Reigns is the bad-ass IC champion feuding with a bunch of workhorses who are prepping him to be good enough to take down 16-time World Champion John Cena at Wrestlemania XXXII, when cool, taciturn killer Roman Reigns arrives as a popular alternative to overthrow dorky emperor John Cena.

The match-type they most need to bring back is the Championship Scramble. If the IC belt wasn't cursed, you could probably field a group of beloved losers who aren't above that belt yet like Barrett vs. Ambrose vs. Wyatt vs. Cesaro vs. Big E vs. Harper. I don't know, maybe you need those bodies for the Battle Royal.

(Based on their Shield work, Rollins and Reigns would be the greatest Championship Scramble wrestlers of all time, but both are above IC level now. If you do put the big belt on Reigns, I'd book his first, er, Reign in almost exclusively multi-man specialty matches like Scrambles, Cells, Chambers and ladder matches where he gets to do cool spots and punch dudes out of the air and through props.)

If they weren't set on Lesnar/Reigns, I'd book Rusev/Reigns. Rusev is good enough to carry Reigns and being the guy to beat Rusev would have been a fine feather in Reigns' cap at this stage in his development.

Since the are set on Lesnar/Reigns, Bryan/Rusev (with Daniel Bryan being the first person to beat Rusev, US title on the line or not) feels like the only valid consolation prize for Bryan now. Bryan/Rusev would also be a killer match that would steal the show.

(If it's Cena/Rusev, if they want it to matter and if Cena wants to make good on killing Bray last year, Rusev needs to beat Cena clean at Fast Lane. Like, make him tap out for the first time ever because not even John Cena is strong enough to break The Accolade. And then a compeltely stunned, humbled Cena spends the next month - backed by fellow weightlifting enthusiasts and Rusev victims Mark Henry and Big E - training to become strong enough to break The Accolade, possibly by training at five times Earth's gravity or some shit. Cena needs to lose that first match, needs to lose it for real and needs to have an actual odd he's never overcome before to overcome.)

If you do Bryan/Rusev, I don't know what you do with Cena then. Cena/Undertaker is meaningless and worthless now. Cena/Sting (who cares if HHH gets bumped?) was a hell of a lot easier to get to two months ago than it would be now. Cena/Sheamus would be OK (and far, far less insulting to Cena than it would be to Bryan), but the meaningful, organic route to get there would have been Sheamus turning on Team Cena at Survivor Series instead of Show.

I have no real interest in Undertaker/Wyatt. I haven't given up on Wyatt - the problem he has is that he talks but never gets to prove anything, he's a cult leader who can't recruit anybody - but the Cena feud did enough damage to him that he's not at all believable for Undertaker. Wyatt/Sting would make a million times more sense (HHH admits that he did send Wyatt after Punk and Bryan last year, goes to Wyatt again to fight magical goth power with mystical hillbilly power), but I don't see Sting signing on to that and I don't know if Wyatt has it in him to carry old Sting (it's no knock on a dude that young to not be as good as HHH or Cena at carrying out a Big Event match yet).

The only Undertaker match I think I'd be up for now that Sting/Undertaker and Cena/Undertaker have lost their hooks would be Ambrose/Undertaker. It'd be a total wild card, unexpected match up, Ambrose wouldn't necessarily have to work heel and he wouldn't necessarily lose anything by not beating Undertaker if the match was laid out properly.

So where does that get me:
-Reigns/Lesnar
-Bryan/Rusev
-Ambrose/Undertaker
-How about Cena/Orton vs. Sheamus/Rollins, or maybe a four-way with Sheamus' loyalties uncertain?
-HHH/Ziggler (!)
-Divas Match
-Usos vs....Dudleys (?)
-Sandow wins ARMBaR (Sandow, Miz, Cesaro, Kidd, Rose, Big Show, Big Guy, Big E, Kingston, Woods, Harper, Rowan, Fandango, Stardust, Goldust, Ryder, Bo, Axel - who never makes it to the ring to keep that gag going; alternate booking: Kidd wins ARMBaR eliminating defending champ Cesaro)
-If you're still looking for a viable IC title match after all that, I'm afraid I have some, well, you know. This would have been easier if they'd brought Barrett back as a face and had HIM taking on Corporate Bruiser Sheamus.
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.05
    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
    the IC title is part cursed relic that permantently reduces all of your character stats and abilities


I read that if you equip the IC title for 256 TV jobs it turns into the Smoking Skull Belt.


    If it's Cena/Rusev, if they want it to matter and if Cena wants to make good on killing Bray last year, Rusev needs to beat Cena clean at Fast Lane. Like, make him tap out for the first time ever because not even John Cena is strong enough to break The Accolade. And then a compeltely stunned, humbled Cena spends the next month - backed by fellow weightlifting enthusiasts and Rusev victims Mark Henry and Big E - training to become strong enough to break The Accolade, possibly by training at five times Earth's gravity or some shit. Cena needs to lose that first match, needs to lose it for real and needs to have an actual odd he's never overcome before to overcome.


This is my thinking exactly. Except we already saw what happened after Lesnar humbled(?) him, so it seems like the coding for that storyline simply doesn't exist anywhere in WWE's programming (A PLAY UPON WORDS). But maybe like with Wyatt last year, there's an exception for heels getting an unusual amount of heat on Cena before April just so he can have a suitable Wrestlemania match. #thismanfeedsus

    Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID
    At this stage, Cena vs Bryan would be the match I'd do for WrestleMania 31.


I'd like to start the wish fulfillment rumor that John Cena, Hell Of A Good Guy is politicking to end the Rusev program at Fast Lane and work Daniel Bryan at Wrestlemania, in the vein of Triple H and Undertaker ditching Sheamus and Wade Barrett in 2011 so they could have a Wrestlemania-worthy match with each other.

Bryan/Lesnar was my dream of dreams and everything else he said last night about it being the perfect story, but I think that ship has sailed without the Rumble, or maybe I just used up all my Yes Movement energy last year. I am resigned to watching Reigns/Lesnar play out Show/Mayweather-style and, to be completely honest, hoping it stays ugly and snowballs to uglier. Entirely out of pure spite and/or boredom. No offense. Unlike Batista vs. Orton where it was clear the whole match was going to get killed, I think the WWE TrUniverse will rally behind Brock to the inevitable bitter end just to play party pooper, even if it comes out that he's leaving.

If the fans had real panache they would start cheering for Cena over Reigns just to really fuck with everyone's heads. But that's a dream for down the road.

    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
    -Usos vs....Dudleys (?)


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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.12
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
      the IC title is part cursed relic that permantently reduces all of your character stats and abilities


    I read that if you equip the IC title for 256 TV jobs it turns into the Smoking Skull Belt.


You just made a Cursed Shield joke in the Year of Our Lord 2015. Nice. Very nice.

    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
    If they weren't set on Lesnar/Reigns, I'd book Rusev/Reigns. Rusev is good enough to carry Reigns and being the guy to beat Rusev would have been a fine feather in Reigns' cap at this stage in his development.


That's a hell of a good idea, and it would really put a shine on Poor Roman the same way that Cena beating Show at WM20 did for him. If they're looking to replace Cena on top, I don't know why they're rushing instead of just doing the things that have worked for them in the past.



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.20
    Originally posted by Tenken347
    If they're looking to replace Cena on top, I don't know why they're rushing instead of just doing the things that have worked for them in the past.



One of the reasons for supplanting Cena is to have a top face who doesn't get such healthy boos. But they managed to elevate his successor in a manner in which he was, for one night at least, almost universally booed. That's gonna change by context and region and demographic make-up. He's not going to get that kind of reaction all the time. But still. They already have to use Cena's "pay your money, boo who you want" for the guy who's supposed to end that kind of reaction.

Meanwhile, Bryan doesn't polarize the crowd. Ziggler doesn't polarize the crowd. If the new top face is going to get the same reaction as the current top face, why trade horses?



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.52
I know he is going to get lost in the Battle Royal shuffle, but I really want to see Harper vs Dudley. It's a four hour show. Give these two ten minutes together.

Bray vs Undertaker is weird because I don't think Bray can carry Undertaker, and Cena vs Undertaker doesn't seem worth the time now that the streak is dead, but Bryan vs Undertaker would be really cool.

I like Sheamus and all, but I don't want to watch Bryan vs Sheamus. Getting stuck in a Sheamus feud is just like getting stuck in a Big Show or Kane feud. Nobody goes anywhere.

Orton vs Rollins doesn't excite me on paper, but it will probably be really good.

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    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
    If they weren't set on Lesnar/Reigns, I'd book Rusev/Reigns. Rusev is good enough to carry Reigns and being the guy to beat Rusev would have been a fine feather in Reigns' cap at this stage in his development.


If Rusev remembered that he was champion so that he could put the title on the line, Reigns could get his WrestleMania title win and it would probably help elevate him without any fear of backlash.

The fact that Reigns never got an IC or US Title run over the last year shows that they have no perspective on why the IC Title even exists anymore, and also that they've forgotten how to give a future main eventer some credibility.

The Ultimate Warrior is the template they should have followed for post-Shield Reigns. Sure, switch it up, but even Cena had a good year as US Champion before they elevated him. Show us what Roman Reigns is like as champion so we can decide whether or not we even like that idea first.

Instead, the IC Title's curse seems to also cause it to avoid being placed around the waists of people like Reigns. And then the US Title has this problem of champions often forgetting that they're champion.

Not everyone needs to hold a midcard title before the world title by any means, but it's certainly helped in the past.

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Undertaker/Wyatt is such an odd match. Storyline-wise, it makes no sense that Taker's "WM redemption match" would be against someone who has no ties to Lesnar or Heyman. Or, at least have some scenario where a face has to pick a mystery partner and he picks UT, with the heels deriding the choice since Taker is 'finished.' (Something like Sting/Taker vs. HHH and Rollins would fit this scenario.)

Also, I thought the big impetus for Taker to finally lose last year was that he was physically spent, but now he's suddenly ok for another match? Booking him against Wyatt now seems like a waste when if you book UT/Bray for last year and have Wyatt break the streak, then suddenly you have a new megastar for the next decade.

The most painfully funny part about a Bryan/Sheamus match is that Sheamus will surely go over. Because y'know, Sheamus just turned heel, so you've got to keep him strong to be a Reigns challenger in the spring. \_(ツ)_/¯



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.64
What makes the most sense for Taker/Wyatt to me is for Taker to lose again, so that he's now on a "losing streak" and goes out on Raw the next night to give his retirement speech.

Then, Sting's music hits (assuming Sting beats HHH the night before) and says he can't retire until he does one more match in Dallas, Texas against him at WrestleMania 32.

That way, you have one mach set a year in advance for the show they want to draw 100,000+ people for that would be an attraction, and can spend the rest of the year figuring out what to do with the title, Cena, Reigns, Rock, and whoever else they can get.
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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    Also, I thought the big impetus for Taker to finally lose last year was that he was physically spent, but now he's suddenly ok for another match?


On that Vince/Austin podcast, Vince explained his rationale as Undertaker perhaps being around a couple more years, but not seeing anyone coming up who was going to be worth giving the Streak to, so he went with Brock. That was the line that seemed to most bury the roster to me.

(And it kind of tells you what they're thinking for this year's result.)



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.59
    Originally posted by Big Bad
    (Something like Sting/Taker vs. HHH and Rollins would fit this scenario.)
Sting/Taker vs. HHH/Kane would solve a lot of problems. Gets Rollins out of this orbit. Gets Kane out of anybody worthwhile's orbit. Kane and HHH are already aligned. Kane going after Sting gives Sting a reason to send a magical crow to retrieve the skull of the Undertaker from Parts Unknown and use magic crow magic to bring Undertaker back to life to stop his brother. Kane is supposedly this legendarily super-safe worker who won't hurt Sting or Undertaker. And you can end it with Kane shaking his brother's hand and stepping into a magical doorway of pure light with Sting and Taker so we can move on to the Retired But Beloved WWE Legend Kane phase of Jacobs' career and he can induct Taker into the Hall at XXXII.

Downsides: It still probably wouldn't be a good match. You would need 45 minutes and whatever they pay Ryder to pay for the entrances.
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.76
Can I suggest Kane, Big Show, and Luke Harper vs. Bubba Ray, D-Von, and Erick "Big Red" Dudley?



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    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    Meanwhile, Bryan doesn't polarize the crowd. Ziggler doesn't polarize the crowd. If the new top face is going to get the same reaction as the current top face, why trade horses?


Bryan is also a health risk (and I love him) and Ziggler is inconsistent (and I also love him).
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.88
Not sure this is the best place to put this question, but it seems to fit okay.

What are the "rules" for the MITB briefcase? Does Rollins only have until WM night to use it? Someone in another thread suggested Rollins might cash in the night after WM. Would that even be possible?
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    Originally posted by Hokienautic
    Not sure this is the best place to put this question, but it seems to fit okay.

    What are the "rules" for the MITB briefcase? Does Rollins only have until WM night to use it? Someone in another thread suggested Rollins might cash in the night after WM. Would that even be possible?
Yeah, I can't remember the exact context, but at some point over the last week, they had someone mention on air that Rollins has until the next Money in the Bank match to cash his briefcase in, so the post-Mania Raw is on the table.
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Dolph cashing in on Del Rio set the precedent, but I think the safe assumption is that you have until the next MITB PPV, which WWE would consider an exact 365 day calendar year.
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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.05
TWIST

https://twitter.com/HEELZiggler/status/560531865149636608

Meltzer said on Jericho's podcast yesterday that this was a real idea and today says the Twitter teases are a WWE scripted angle.

I don't know to what extent Bryan and Ziggler could have an all-time classic of a classic without at least pretend stakes and emotion for the crowd to invest in, since each of their adversary is THE SYSTEM. Booking them as a fan placater and promising a special match would at least be a little bit of for them getting the decent amount of time you'd otherwise expect to be lacking.

Also not like there's a ton of competition for them to steal the show outside of Rollins.

    Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID
    What makes the most sense for Taker/Wyatt to me is for Taker to lose again, so that he's now on a "losing streak" and goes out on Raw the next night to give his retirement speech.

    Then, Sting's music hits (assuming Sting beats HHH the night before) and says he can't retire until he does one more match in Dallas, Texas against him at WrestleMania 32.


I think there's a strong chance of this happening. Except Undertaker will win and then tease going out on top. Giving Sting the win and his own moment this year also eliminates the awkwardness of Sting coming to WWE just to lose to Undertaker. Does it have a chance to be any good? Uh. Let's see how this year goes.
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