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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.29
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Steven, didn't you just say that the only the first guy who pins Lesnar gets the rub of the streak. In a scenario you yourself made up where Cena beats Lesnar, for which you were then extremely mad at Cena for his pure god damn selfish actions, the hypothetical actions that you made up.


Justin, I love you brah. But I have no idea what you just said. :p

In all seriousness though, I've never suggested that Cena beats Lesnar. In no universe have I *ever* suggested that Cena beats Lesnar. (well, apart from the universe where Cena turns heel, but we don't live in that universe)

What I said, is that the first guy that pins Lesnar *clean* gets that rub, a cheap-cash in on Lesnar doesn't really constitute 'slaying the beast'.

However, of course it makes more sense for Lesnar to not suffer any pin-fall losses till Mania 31. Because symbolically it's better for the guy that beats Lesnar clean to be the guy that gets the first pinfall, period. Which is *precisely* why putting the title on him was a stupid idea in the first place.

Having Rollins cash in at Slam is the least worst option.

The thing that bugs me, is shortly after XXX, people on here were coming up with much better plans for Brock leading into Mania 31 that didn't involve him winning the World title. And now everyone is all like 'BUT WHAT ELSE COULD YOU DO, HE HAD TO WIN THE WORLD TITLE'.

If Brock put over Reigns in a non title bout, that then frees up the world title picture to have whatever match you please. Add Rusev into the picture, & that's another star making match. That's three main events right there.

Thanks to their stubbornness over Reigns *having* to win the world title, they've actually managed to make what should've been the easiest Mania to book in years about 10x more difficult than it ever needed to be. Just like they did last year because of their stubbornness over Bryan.




(edited by steven87gill on 15.12.14 1705)
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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.05
    Originally posted by steven87gill
    Thanks to their stubbornness over Reigns *having* to win the world title, they've actually managed to make what should've been the easiest Mania to book in years about 10x more difficult than it ever needed to be. Just like they did last year because of their stubbornness over Bryan.


Yeah, it's been funny/scary to see the gradual unraveling of the Taker-to-Lesnar-to-Reigns idea, which at least made superficial sense as a battle plan. I have to figure they initially planned on having Lesnar work at least one more defense in between September and January, probably at Survivor Series, but the network tanking made them immediately reevaluate their willingness to pay Lesnar. At least then, even if the title was off the house shows, the title matches would be big deals. Now instead of his original job description of PPV special attraction, at this point he's just being paid to hold the title until Reigns can win it in a stadium.

Hilariously compounding that times three is
1) since there's no reason to keep paying him under the new business model, Lesnar might be walking out the door right after Mania. So instead of the hottest heel in the biz he'll be a WM20-esque lame duck, taking the Undertaker's rub to Bellator.

2) Reigns holding up his end of the bargain in a match that actually gets over as the combination of Hogan/Sheik + Hogan/Andre it was drawn up as very much remains to be seen.

3) rather than paying it forward in his final match, Undertaker might be working two more Wrestlemanias, this year against Wyatt and a retirement in Texas. Imagine the Undertaker wrestling in WWE a year longer than Lesnar does.

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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.39
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro

    3) rather than paying it forward in his final match, Undertaker might be working two more Wrestlemanias, this year against Wyatt and a retirement in Texas. Imagine the Undertaker wrestling in WWE a year longer than Lesnar does.

    (edited by JustinShapiro on 15.12.14 2033)


The Undertaker has somehow aged 25 years in the last 3. I just don't see it.

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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.77
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco


    The Undertaker has somehow aged 25 years in the last 3. I just don't see it.

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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.40
He's looked like for the last four years. He always gets in shape for Mania.

I know the mantra is "the first guy who pins Lesnar gets the rub", but that main event just isn't looking like a good bet right now. Loathe as I am to even suggest it, I think they make more money, get a better match, AND get the reaction for Reigns that they're looking for if it's Cena he's dethroning. Cena should get the title back at the Rumble, and they should run Cena/Reigns as the WM main. Brock can fight Ambrose or Orton or something.
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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.29
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Reigns holding up his end of the bargain in a match that actually gets over as the combination of Hogan/Sheik + Hogan/Andre it was drawn up as very much remains to be seen.


I think whatever happens come Mania season (Reigns walks out as champ, I'm 99% sure of it) the IWC needn't worry. Whether he flops as a face or not, Roman won't be the next Cena, at least in terms of getting pushed as a face & running roughshod over everybody despite getting mixed reactions.

Remember, he's learned about the biz from guys like Batista, HHH, Ambrose & Rollins. Which means if he's getting booed, he won't just grin like an idiot & say 'I love you guys!', he'll turn heel & let the fans fall in love with him naturally. Besides, I'll wager a bet that each shield member will get their individual shot at the main event one after the other: Reigns next year, Rollins in 2016 & Ambrose at Mania 33.




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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.20
If Reigns becomes the new main-event face, who does he fight? There aren't many options in the main event not when Cena won't go heel and Lesnar is out the door. That leaves the usual gang of heels -- Kane, Orton (tweener), and Rollins if he still has that MITB case. We'll need a turn by a legit main-eventer (Sheamus or Ziggler) or an elevation (Ryback, Rusev, Cesaro, Barrett, maybe an NXT hot push).

Just as important as the coronation of the next Cena/Bryan is the establishment of that guy's enemy. Rollins sure looked like a main-eventer last night on RAW. But the WWE needs new main-event heels immediately. And give that guy Heyman so he's not invisible when Lesnar leaves.



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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.39
    Originally posted by steven87gill
      Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Reigns holding up his end of the bargain in a match that actually gets over as the combination of Hogan/Sheik + Hogan/Andre it was drawn up as very much remains to be seen.


    I think whatever happens come Mania season (Reigns walks out as champ, I'm 99% sure of it) the IWC needn't worry. Whether he flops as a face or not, Roman won't be the next Cena, at least in terms of getting pushed as a face & running roughshod over everybody despite getting mixed reactions.

    Remember, he's learned about the biz from guys like Batista, HHH, Ambrose & Rollins. Which means if he's getting booed, he won't just grin like an idiot & say 'I love you guys!', he'll turn heel & let the fans fall in love with him naturally. Besides, I'll wager a bet that each shield member will get their individual shot at the main event one after the other: Reigns next year, Rollins in 2016 & Ambrose at Mania 33.




    (edited by steven87gill on 16.12.14 1045)


I'm with you. Roman Reigns stock has dropped so low with a lot of people that I think it is time to start buying. I agree a failed face push that turns into a bitter heel run is what it's going to take, but he is going to be okay. He is not even really that bad now just extremely green. It took him awhile to find his groove with the Shield too. I reserve the right to totally flip on this position if he starts putting poppy powder in drinks again.
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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.10
My prediction for WrestleMania 31: Reigns beats Lesnar clean. Out comes Seth Rollins and cashes in his MITB-briefcase. Reigns defeats him as well, but with the help of Ambrose (who has promised to keep Seth from cashing in successfully). A new super-duper-mega-star is born. Fans go crazy (even those who hate Reigns can't boo him, because Ambrose is in the ring celebrating with Reigns in a big Eddie/Benoit-esque feel-good moment).



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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.29
    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    Loathe as I am to even suggest it, I think they make more money, get a better match, AND get the reaction for Reigns that they're looking for if it's Cena he's dethroning. Cena should get the title back at the Rumble, and they should run Cena/Reigns as the WM main. Brock can fight Ambrose or Orton or something.


And I'm sure that is exactly how master backstage politician Cena is selling it to Vince just to get that Lesnar rub.

''Dammit Vince, I'm doing it for Reigns.''











(edited by steven87gill on 16.12.14 1312)
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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.60
    Originally posted by steven87gill
    Whether he flops as a face or not, Roman won't be the next Cena, at least in terms of getting pushed as a face & running roughshod over everybody despite getting mixed reactions.

    Remember, he's learned about the biz from guys like Batista, HHH, Ambrose & Rollins. Which means if he's getting booed, he won't just grin like an idiot & say 'I love you guys!', he'll turn heel & let the fans fall in love with him naturally.
You say that as though he's the only one making that decision. Reigns might become the face of the company for god-knows-what reason, but the guy making the decisions isn't changing. And that's where the problem lies.
    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    Loathe as I am to even suggest it, I think they make more money, get a better match, AND get the reaction for Reigns that they're looking for if it's Cena he's dethroning. Cena should get the title back at the Rumble, and they should run Cena/Reigns as the WM main.
100% agreed. The WM crowd will likely cheer Reigns against Cena. But a main event of forced-down-our-throats Reigns vs lame-duck Lesnar won't do either guy any favours.
    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    (Undertaker) always gets in shape for Mania.
Except for last year when he was no good. I really hope he doesn't try to wrestle again. Things have to end sometime.



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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.65
I think they should definitely do Lesnar/Reigns at WrestleMania. Like the Daniel Bryan story last year, they're too far invested in the story at this point to turn back now. Granted, I'd love it if they switched out Reigns for Ambrose or Bryan at some point, but Reigns is the one they're going with.

Ending Lesnar's reign too soon would feel like a waste of all they've built up, from beating CM Punk to ending The Streak to demolishing Cena from a story point of view.

I think that, once the actual Lesnar/Reigns program kicks in, we'll be fine on the story end. Unless they add something really stupid to it. Although, there was a list I saw of Lesnar's upcoming dates (maybe in this thread?) and I only saw one between Fast Lane and WrestleMania, so that's sort of weird.


With all of that said, though, I think we'd be okay if they went with Cena/Reigns. It's not the preferred direction, but I can see areas where it would work better.

A) It would be a more direct succession between Cena and Reigns (not that Reigns is guaranteed to be the next Cena, but he can be the Warrior to Cena's Hogan)

B) Lesnar already has the rub of ending The Streak. Beating The One Who Beat The One isn't as big of a deal, especially since it won't be the shocker we got last year.

C) Cena will be around to participate in the story, Lesnar won't. Probably the most solid reason of all.

D) I think Cena could actually get more heat than Lesnar at WrestleMania 31.

E) Cena/Rusev isn't as big of a deal as Cena/Reigns.

...BUT, I like seeing things through and Lesnar/Reigns is what they should do.

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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.30
    Originally posted by KJames199
    Except for last year when he was no good.


Up until he got his bell rung (concussion), he actually was doing pretty good.
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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.03
Prediction contest: how does the crowd react to Lesnar/Reigns? Last year this game was easy - once the Batista rumors started, everybody knew the crowds were going to rally behind Daniel Bryan, and nuts to anyone else. This time around, it's a bit more complex.

The variables include the following:

- Everybody knows* Lesnar is on his way out the door.
- But it's probably to MMA, which means people probably won't resent his desertion the way they did eleven years ago. If anything, leaving WWE might be a babyface move now. Or maybe not?
- Lesnar is presented as an unbeatable monster heel.
- It rings false because everybody knows he is going to lose.
- Everybody knows Reigns is the new golden boy for reasons that have nothing to do with their preferences.
- The WWE Product has probably surpassed Cena as the #1 heel on the roster.
- It's going to be very hard to make Reigns the Man while somehow not making him The WWE Product's avatar.
- We don't know if fans will just rebel against the product for the pure joy of it, regardless of who's Plan A, since it was so fun (or "fun") and productive last year.
- Everybody knows what would happen if Reigns and Lesnar had a shoot fight.
- Reigns doesn't have the kayfabe credentials (Cena, Undertaker, HHH) or crowd support (Bryan, Punk, Undertaker, Ziggler??) to make people suspend their disbelief and root for him anyway.
- It'll probably be a power match in the same vein as Batista/Angle, only if Angle had 30 pounds on Batista in addition to the amateur background. People will perceive that Lesnar is carrying the match.
- Lesnar has Paul Heyman in his corner, who carries the opposite polarity of Cena.
- We've seen Reigns forced to show flashes of Cena's personality.
- But maybe by virtue of not actually being John Cena he gets the benefit of the doubt, temporarily.
- Reigns' stock is indeed so low that people might start buying again. Reigns himself hasn't done much to deserve the crowd's ire.
- Neither had Batista.
- We don't know how much the kids will love Reigns. He will be presented as #1 face but he won't have the kind of unconditional love that only a decade of boring incumbency can guarantee. Though if Lesnar kills Cena at the Rumble, that might be enough to get them on board.
- Why they haven't given Reigns a kneebar as a flash-submission finisher is beyond me. If it was good enough for Frank Mir…
- Brock Lesnar ended the Undertaker's streak.

(*Note: you can interpret all these instances of "everybody knows" as you would in "everybody knows Undertaker will beat Lesnar at WM30.")

My totally sensible solution would be to have Ziggler win the Rumble and beat Lesnar. Instinctively, I think having Reigns crush Rusev would be better for him in both the short and long term. But it'll be fascinating to watch the reaction if they go through with having him beat Lesnar. I kind of hope they do it.
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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.20
If the crowd rebels from the Reigns push AND Lesnar is leaving after Mania, don't we get a repeat of the audience during the Lesnar/Goldberg match?



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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.21
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    If the crowd rebels from the Reigns push AND Lesnar is leaving after Mania, don't we get a repeat of the audience during the Lesnar/Goldberg match?


Except in the main event instead of the middle of the show with Austin there to give the match a happy ending of Stunners.



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#37 Posted on
Reigns walking out of WrestleMania with the title seems inevitable but at this point, Cena vs Reigns seems like the smarter match. Cena can give him a better match than Lesnar can at this point, fans are more likely to cheer Reigns going over Cena even if Lesnar's on his way out, and it'll mean more in the long run, especially if Lesnar isn't sticking around.

I'd still love to see Bryan vs Lesnar but the long-delayed Bryan vs Sheamus full-length WrestleMania match seems more likely, as does Sheamus vs Lesnar if the rumours of Sheamus' incoming push being linked directly to Lesnar's probable exit are true.

Cena vs Rusev doesn't excite me at all, but a match between Cena and HHH strangely does. The storyline is right there too with Cena having the power to decide HHH's future. That would free up Sting for the match with Undertaker that everybody wants/wanted. That leaves Wyatt without a partner, but a feud with Orton could work and if nothing else, is fresh. Orton vs Rollins is an option too.

Speaking of Rollins, I'm still holding out some hope of the Rollins/Ambrose blood feud being reignited in time for a definitive WrestleMania blow-off.

I really want them to bring back MITB as a WrestleMania tradition too, but with only one world title, it seems unlikely. Which is a shame, because a field of Ziggler, Cesaro, Harper, Neville, Cody, and Rusev as the token monster could be pretty great. It's been a while since they did a triangle ladder match too... Usos vs Cesaro/Kidd vs Goldust/Stardust could work.

Miz vs Mizdow, Charlotte vs Nikki for the Divas title, load up the second Andre Battle Royal with everyone who didn't make it into a proper WrestleMania feud (Ryback, Show, Henry, Rowan) and it's... a card.




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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.37
    Originally posted by TheGreatWhiteBob
    the long-delayed Bryan vs Sheamus full-length WrestleMania match seems more likely


If either of them are even back in time for Wrestlemania. It seems likely that Bryan might be back in time for the Rumble, but it isn't guaranteed. And has it even been revealed what surgery Sheamus had less than a month ago? If it wasn't a neck surgery then I presume he should be healed up in time for Wrestlemania, but last I heard nobody knew what the surgery was for.
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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.77
    Originally posted by Horsemen4ever
      Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      If the crowd rebels from the Reigns push AND Lesnar is leaving after Mania, don't we get a repeat of the audience during the Lesnar/Goldberg match?


    Except in the main event instead of the middle of the show with Austin there to give the match a happy ending of Stunners.


The happy ending would be Rollins coming in and pasting Lesnar after for the title.
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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.20
    Originally posted by Greymarch
    The happy ending would be Rollins coming in and pasting Lesnar after for the title.


You gotta save that for the post-Mania RAW right? Unless Austin comes out to carry Summerslam.



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