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Since: 7.11.02
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I saw this article on ESPN's website and thought it was kind of interesting. Any thoughts on these or other rule changes you'd like to see? Personally, I like the enforcing the batter's box and only increasing the September roster to 30. Unifying the statistics for players who switch leagues seems like a no-brainer. In the season when McGwire was dealt to St. Louis, nothing was more annoying than looking at the box scores in late July and seeing McGwire with 10 homers and 30 rbi (or whatever his NL stats were at any given time) when I wanted to see how close he was to 50 homers.

As far as rules that Stark didn't mention, I would also like umpires to enforce the rule about being hit by a pitch that says that the player has to try to get out of the way and cannot be in the strike zone when hit. While I'm living in a dream world, let's get rid of the DH too.

Jayson Stark article on proposed rule changes.

Stark also has an article on the site discussing changing the intentional walk rule (but I'd disagree with that pretty vehemently).
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Rico Brogna for commish? Seriously, the ThunderStix MUST GO. Hand out Celebriducks, for all I care... at least those aren't intended to interfere with gameplay.



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The proposed rules that I can get behind:

* Stay in the f'ing batter's box. There's no reason for batters to step out and perform a five-minute Pilates routine in between pitches.

* Unify the stats. SEPARATE THE LEAGUES, but unify the stats.

* Ban the body armor, and enforce the HBP rule as written.

* Eliminate the "phantom tag." This is THE no-brainer. "If you don't touch the base, you don't get the out" isn't just a good idea; it's in the RULES. Enforce this.

* Soccer-style relegation, although unworkable due to the close major-minor club relations, would be fun to watch.



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29
    Originally posted by vsp
    Soccer-style relegation, although unworkable due to the close major-minor club relations, would be fun to watch.


There are a ton of reasons that this would not work, no matter how great an idea it is:

1. Major league contracts
Can you imagine trying to pay for major league contracts with draws like Tucson or Buffalo coming to town? I love minor-league baseball but it won't pay those bills. Conversely, you can look at it from the prospective of players singed to major league contracts relegated to the minors leagues. Is that a violation of their contract? Would they automatically become free agents? Would there be a dispersal draft? Lots of stuff.

2. Broadcasting Contracts
The broadcaster rights would be skewered for teams if, for example, they had an agreement to broadcast a ML team and all of a sudden they're paying a lot of money to broadcast the PCL. Additionally, I don't think ESPN or FOX is salivating to broadcast tonight's regular season contest between the Detroit Tigers and the Pawtucket Red Sox.

3. Ownership
Minor-league owners don't have the kind of cash lying around to support a major-league operation. The travel alone would be a nightmare, though in recent years AAA teams have flown more(kind of important when you see things like New Orleans at Vancouver).

4. Stadium issues
AAA teams don't have the stadium capacity or facilities that most current major league parks have. Granted, there are some parks of equal or higher capacity than Hiram Botham Stadium(the 25% home of Les/Los Expos). But those are only in rare cases and most are in the 12-15,000 capacity range.

5. Yearly realignement
Say the Devil Rays are the team dropped to AAA. Say the Vancouver Canadians are the team that gets the call up. See the problem? If they just swap places, Tampa Bay is in the Pacific Coast league and Vancouver winds up in the AL East. It only becomes worse if they realigned the divisions each year because you'd have teams pinballing back and forth from one division to another. Imagine the Rangers or Rockies having to switch from the West to the Central every few years depending on who goes where.

And those are just five issues of the top of my head!

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#5 Posted on

    Originally posted by Grimis
      Originally posted by vsp
      Soccer-style relegation, although unworkable due to the close major-minor club relations, would be fun to watch.


    There are a ton of reasons that this would not work, no matter how great an idea it is:

    1. Major league contracts
    Can you imagine trying to pay for major league contracts with draws like Tucson or Buffalo coming to town? I love minor-league baseball but it won't pay those bills. Conversely, you can look at it from the prospective of players singed to major league contracts relegated to the minors leagues. Is that a violation of their contract? Would they automatically become free agents? Would there be a dispersal draft? Lots of stuff.

    2. Broadcasting Contracts
    The broadcaster rights would be skewered for teams if, for example, they had an agreement to broadcast a ML team and all of a sudden they're paying a lot of money to broadcast the PCL. Additionally, I don't think ESPN or FOX is salivating to broadcast tonight's regular season contest between the Detroit Tigers and the Pawtucket Red Sox.

    3. Ownership
    Minor-league owners don't have the kind of cash lying around to support a major-league operation. The travel alone would be a nightmare, though in recent years AAA teams have flown more(kind of important when you see things like New Orleans at Vancouver).

    4. Stadium issues
    AAA teams don't have the stadium capacity or facilities that most current major league parks have. Granted, there are some parks of equal or higher capacity than Hiram Botham Stadium(the 25% home of Les/Los Expos). But those are only in rare cases and most are in the 12-15,000 capacity range.

    5. Yearly realignement
    Say the Devil Rays are the team dropped to AAA. Say the Vancouver Canadians are the team that gets the call up. See the problem? If they just swap places, Tampa Bay is in the Pacific Coast league and Vancouver winds up in the AL East. It only becomes worse if they realigned the divisions each year because you'd have teams pinballing back and forth from one division to another. Imagine the Rangers or Rockies having to switch from the West to the Central every few years depending on who goes where.

    And those are just five issues of the top of my head!

    (edited by Grimis on 5.2.03 1317)






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The entire issue of the "phantom tag" has pissed me off for years that the umpires just decide to give them a "good effort" out. If you're going to touch the bag, you damn well better make sure you do and the ump sees it.

I also believe that the batter should take whatever steps necessary to avoid rubbing out the batter's box line. The only reason I mention this is because back in '98, I was watching a Devil Rays game (at Tropicana, no less), and given my seats (and the volume of my voice), I'm reasonably sure the umps could hear me. Point of it is, I was harassing Mo Vaughn for standing basically out of the batter's box; the ump talked to him about it, and Mo just proceeded to rub out the back line of the batter's box. That's what I'm talking about there. Any pitch where it's easily determined the batter wasn't fully in the batter's box (with his intention to be "in the box") should be a strike.

I like the idea behind the three pickoff-attempt rule, but two attempts on one runner is normally the most I'll see during any given at-bat. If there's a fourth pickoff attempt, same application as a balk; everyone moves up a base. (Of course, I'd rather see it changed to two and three, respectively. At least it would give some teams the incentive to run... and make catching absolute hell.)'

Also, unified stats should've happened already; why they haven't puzzles me greatly.

I also like the limitation on relievers. Nothing's worse than watching a game on TV when there's 2 or 3 pitching changes in one half-inning. I can only imagine what it's like at the game.







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I think one of the reason why the stats are not unified is that a lot of players have bonuses for leading the league in some stat category. Now say you trade someone you has 35 HR at the deadline to another team only hits 10 more for the rest of the season but those 45 are enough to lead that league in HR. Which teams pays the bonus? Even worse say the player was a wavier pickup in September. Can you league both leagues in HRs?
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#8 Posted on

    Originally posted by calvinh0560
    I think one of the reason why the stats are not unified is that a lot of players have bonuses for leading the league in some stat category. Now say you trade someone you has 35 HR at the deadline to another team only hits 10 more for the rest of the season but those 45 are enough to lead that league in HR. Which teams pays the bonus? Even worse say the player was a wavier pickup in September. Can you league both leagues in HRs?


I just meant unifying them for ML-level stats and also in the box scores (meaning for ME) and didn't even think of AL/NL only league leading implications. With hitters, I don't think the effect would be as great, but the real problem would be with an NL pitcher who switches to the AL and then is contending for the AL ERA title because he would have a significant advantage over the AL pitchers. I do remember Willie McGee winning a NL batting title after he got traded to the A's (he had more than the mininum number of plate appearances and no one in the league finished with a higher batting average). So, it can be a problem even as it stands now.
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I like all the main rule changes that were polled. The designated fielder would add HUGE stratedgy to the game. MY own personal thing, although the player's union would never go for it, is removing the DH.


And maybe we should try to start a grassroots movement to get Doug Melvin as commish.




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    Originally posted by TheCow
    The entire issue of the "phantom tag" has pissed me off for years that the umpires just decide to give them a "good effort" out. If you're going to touch the bag, you damn well better make sure you do and the ump sees it.

    I also believe that the batter should take whatever steps necessary to avoid rubbing out the batter's box line. The only reason I mention this is because back in '98, I was watching a Devil Rays game (at Tropicana, no less), and given my seats (and the volume of my voice), I'm reasonably sure the umps could hear me. Point of it is, I was harassing Mo Vaughn for standing basically out of the batter's box; the ump talked to him about it, and Mo just proceeded to rub out the back line of the batter's box. That's what I'm talking about there. Any pitch where it's easily determined the batter wasn't fully in the batter's box (with his intention to be "in the box") should be a strike.

    I like the idea behind the three pickoff-attempt rule, but two attempts on one runner is normally the most I'll see during any given at-bat. If there's a fourth pickoff attempt, same application as a balk; everyone moves up a base. (Of course, I'd rather see it changed to two and three, respectively. At least it would give some teams the incentive to run... and make catching absolute hell.)'

    Also, unified stats should've happened already; why they haven't puzzles me greatly.

    I also like the limitation on relievers. Nothing's worse than watching a game on TV when there's 2 or 3 pitching changes in one half-inning. I can only imagine what it's like at the game.



I don't like the 3 pick off rule.... eh... if it was started, you could have a speed demon on first who goes out to the magical spot where they are close enough to get back to the bag and close enough to take off, but if the pitcher has already thrown to that base 3 times, he is free to get as far off base as he needs.



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Well, look at it this way. As of now, the running game for most teams is virtually non-existent; a lot of pitchers don't have to worry about people stealing (except for one or two people, if that). If you begin to enforce the 3-pickoff rule, then teams will realize that the running game can actually be a major asset, instead of something nice to have. If the running attack was potent on a lot of teams, then I probably wouldn't be in favor of it (except to speed up the game). I just happen to love the stolen base, and I think this would be fun for the fans.

The speedsters are going to get their bases regardless of whether or not there's a limit on pickoff attempts. What this rule does is make some of the other players who might not normally be a stolen base threat become a threat to steal. Does that make sense?







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Stolen Bases are not down in baseball because there are less Speedsters or because the pitchers are attempting more pickoffs. Stolen Bases are down because more teams are looking for the big 3-run inning by hitting a HR. Because today you are getting power from all 9 spots in the order managers donít want to risk losing a run just to move someone up one base.
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