Originally posted by evilwaldoWas it me or when HHH bladed he looked EXACTLY like the Ultimate Warrior?
That is so bizarre...I actually turned to my friends and said the exact same thing during the match. Too bad he didn't shake the hell out of the ropes and draw on the power of the little warriors...maybe they would have helped him put away the plodding, tried old man he fought in the Battle of the Suplex.
"Also, don't incur the wrath of P.U. It can only lead to trouble." - Torchslasher
Angle vs. Benoit: first match I got really psyched with. All the other ones just incited snide remarks from me. Slow at first, brawling, spots, then built momentum, and by the end, was a kickass reversal-submission-etc fest. over 10 German Suplexes spotted (although not all consecutively). 3 attempts at the Swan Dive Headbutt. around 4-ish variations of that Ankle Lock. Mad props to Chris Benoit despite losing. Now...THATS a match.
Rumble: Not much notes (although this is the first rumble I've seen, the rest I've just read results about), full of cool spots. Nowinski's "polite" reluctance, cruiserweights galore, Edge+Christian reunite, Matt+Jeff reunite, both with comedic results. Very awesome. Some minor bad points, though, include Jericho being eliminated by Test, and the amount of big guys at the end made it slow. Otherwise, overall a very good rumble, full of great backstabs and cool spots.
Ah, heck. No I don't. I can't even joke about that. I beat off to that match, plain and simple.
Boston humiliated Scott Steiner. That guy is probably crying himself to sleep right now. He showed up and put in a hideous performance, and the crowd showed him that they didn't appreciate it. And no, he can't get away with it like Taker and Hogan, because he ain't no legend. I hope he learns from this. Serves him right for sucking.
I liked how mid-card friendly the Rumble was. Matt Hardy got to look like a player tonight. Cena got to look good too. Problems with the Rumble itself. The HBK elimination thing made sense, because if you want to push HBK and Y2J on future PPV, you can't have them in the ring together for ten minutes or thirty minutes or an hour. They have to save it so it can be sold as a "first-time ever" match, so that made sense. My fear is that they'll just do it at No Way Out, but, as we've discussed, Shawn might not be wise to show up in Montreal in a match with a Canadian. Anyway, who in their right mind thinks Albert, Batista, or Kane could win it? The last guys in there should have been RVD, Booker T, Jericho, 'Taker, and Brock. Then you would have had people on their feet, because those guys are all what passes for over these days. Call me close-minded, but I don't like a guy who has yet to give a single interview on television in the final four. The end of the Rumble had no tension. If Brock had come out winning against those four, it would have seemed like more of an accomplishment.
Bah...Worth my money anyway.
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Quick Thoughts: Angle and Benoit have proven once again why they rule. Where or where was Eddie to round it all out? This was just an awesome match. I also agree that this was mostly a one-match show, although Brock's power moves on Show were AWESOME.
The RAW Tag Titles couldn't possibly be more meaningless at this point. To wit--they took them OFF the team with the most heat of ANYONE on RAW and gave it to the boring heel team who are SO lame that they hotshotted the belts to the stale ass Dudleys. Makes NO sense when Booker and Goldust rock your world and mine.
HHH-Steiner-The inherent flaw with this match (besides that Steiner was gassed and it was slow and spots kept getting fucked up) is that Steiner can NOT work as a face. Throughout the entire match, he worked his usual heel nonsense--taunting, breaking the count, deliberatly fighting outside, yelling at the ref and the fans. Not a smart thing to do when the guy you're wrestling also has very little heel heat. I mean, HHH actually got cheered for a minute in there. Boy, let's hope they pull the plug on this feud with a RAW match tonight.
The Rumble match was obvious, but obvious is good sometimes. Lesnar rocks and the thought of he and Angle getting 20-25 minutes almost makes me want to pass out. Really.
Now, what do they do with Benoit?
DrOp--hoping they END the Torrie-Dawn Marie saga. PLEASE.
My thoughts, very disjointed since I'm too tired for a better organized piece:
Brock/Show: Much better than I expected it to be. Show has given signs in the past that he could be carried to a good match, but I didn't expect Brock to be able to do so quite that well.
Dudleys/RegalStorm: I rather liked it, but I'm sick of the Dudleys together. Splitting them was a good idea, but it bombed because neither was given anything decent to do outside of Buh Buh's feud with Lesnar. I have to accept them remaining together, but do I have to see them as champions AGAIN? I like all four guys, and as I said, I like the match, but I wish it hadn't happened, if that makes any sense. Here's hoping for a reversal tonight and a subsequent failure on the Dudleys part in the pending rematch.
Torrie/Dawn Marie: Even worse than anticipated, and that's truly frightening. Not even the ample eye-candy and Dawn's veil were enough to keep me from ducking into the kitchen to fix a late dinner during this one. If this feud STILL lives on, you shall all hear the sounds of me weeping and cursing Al for siring Torrie in the first place.
HHH/Steiner: Steiner Is the New Gayda. The only positives I feel for this match were HHH's red tights (finally moving away from the black, change is good) and Flair, as a manager, busting his ass trying to carry both guys. It's one thing to be able to wrestle a broomstick to a **** match, but it's another entirely to "manage" two stiffs out of -**** territory and up to a 1/2 *. Flair is still God.
Angle/Benoit: Great stuff, but I'm tired of seeing these two together. Hindered my enjoyment a little bit. I don't care how many different stories I read from a given author, I eventually want something written by somebody else entirely. I've reached that point with Angle and Benoit. They may tell a different story each time together, but I'm weary of the collaboration in general. I just hope they find something for Benoit to do now that he's gotten this momentum and finally made me interested in his persona as well as workrate.
Rumble: Along with Angle/Benoit, this saved the show from being a disaster. I don't think anybody involved put in a poor performance, and I absolutely loved the novelty of Michaels just getting punked out and dispatched so easily. Big props to Matt Hardy, Shannon Moore, Chris Nowinski, Christian, Edge, John Cena, and Maven for the comic relief. Jericho ruled, although he did have one really obvious called spot. (Shown and heard screaming to Dreamer "Head!" right before the caneshot to the noggin.) Unlike most of the IWC, I like Test and was very happy that he was given the reward of tossing Jericho. Although, as usual, the victor wasn't at all in question, I still liked the ending. Nice to see they kept the formula of having one dark horse in the final four, with Batista getting the honors this year. My only really big complaint would be that Booker was so easily eliminated, but since it helped elevate Team Angle, I can't bitch.
Overall, I'll say I feel like it would've been worth the old price of $29.95, but I feel cheated out of the extra $10 I spent.
Edit: fixed a glaring grammatical error that even my tired eyes could see as soon as I hit "submit."
Steiner/HHH sucked, Angle/Benoit ruled, blah blah blah. The real highlight for me was knowing someone else out there appreciated "Jackass: The Movie." Did you see Christian's new tights, with a design inspired by Steve-O's back tattoo? I marked out like a mofo for that. Kudos to the New Canadian Chris Connection for building a solid Rumble.
Where was Victoria? They need to get her away from Trish and mix her with the men. Not in a match with a man, but have her torment someone in sort of an evil manager role, maybe even give her a stable. She has lots of potential beyond wrestling "divas".
*All of us at the party I was at thought HBK getting eliminated so quickly was due to an injury of some sort, maybe he bladed too deeply, etc. His exit was a shock to us and felt very disjointed.
*Similarly, the cane to the head that Jericho took from Dreamer was SICK. REALLY SICK. And it did not look good later, all cut up. Unbelievable. I gained a ton of respect for Jericho tonight, because he played his role in the Rumble perfectly (except his exit was worthless), and took that SICK cane shot.
*If it weren't for Christian hugging Edge, Shannon Moore propping Matt Hardy up with his feet, Nowinski celebrating dumping 'two!' people, Cena rapping for the entire interval, and them actually remembering last year's Maven/Taker exchange, this Rumble wouldn't have been worth the time or the money. Bravo to the midcard for being fantastic. Let's elevate some of these guys, what do you say WWE?
*Benoit/Angle. Wow. Benoit's standing ovation. Double wow. I hope somebody listens to them.
Shawn's early exit..why is it so odd to you folks? The man said he wasn't going to wrestle another match until WM, the man cannot stay in there another hour, the man got thrown out first and it helped develop a feud.
I agree. Shawn probably didn't want to go an hour, as cool as that would have been. Also, you want to build to the match(Jericho vs. HBK) so keeping them seperate works. Not Steiner/HHH seperate, but seperate them enough so the crowd isn't sick of them. Then again, as shown by Benoit/Angle, as long as there's kickass wrestling, the crowd will be happy. Hopefully the E took note.
Originally posted by dMpShawn's early exit..why is it so odd to you folks? The man said he wasn't going to wrestle another match until WM, the man cannot stay in there another hour, the man got thrown out first and it helped develop a feud.
Makes perfect sense.
There's a big difference between an early exit and the way Shawn went out. He got his ass kicked, got bloodied and dizzy, and was eliminated by Jericho EASILY within no more than 2-3 minutes.
I agree with the concept. But they totally made Shawn look like a LOSER while Jericho looks like a million bucks. This doesn't make Shawn look like some kind of underdog for their impending match, it makes him look like a washed up, crappy old jobber. Give Shawn at least 5-10 minutes and have some trickery involved in the elimination. Jericho SQUASHED his ass - and it was horribly ugly and quick.
rockstar: "Raise your hand if you can see HHH taking credit for the Benoit/Angle match because he and Steiner set them up to look good."
And does anybody have the answer about why there was an Angle T-shirt logo on Steiner's pants? Did anybody at least NOTICE it?
Didn't order RR, and I'm resisting the urge to order the replay.
I'm really happy that Benoit and Angle got the reaction they did while the crowd turned on Steiner, but I don't think the lesson Vince should take is as simple as "good wrestling = good crowd reaction." Instead of wrestling in a vacuum with little build-up, Benoit and Angle have been really hating each other for a while now, and the crowd's been given good reasons to root for one of them, instead of just appreciating the suplexes out of context. Not trying to say the wrestling part is unimportant, but it helps a lot when the characters and plotlines are treated better leading up to it.
Wow. I've been watching WWE since Wrestlemania X, and Kurt/Benoit was the best WWE match I've ever seen. I'm sure no one else is going to agree with me, but I thought the Royal Rumble PPV was excellent.
Did anyone else catch Dawn Marie Wilson working the arm of Torrie AND Torrie selling it? Even after the match was over!? o_O;;
Mattitude owned the Rumble too. Was he in the longest? Shannon Moore was also another Rumble high point. I was impressed with him pleading with Jeff not to Swanton Bomb Matt and when he jumped in to try and stop Kane's chokeslam, but nothing was cooler than when he layed on the ground and kicked Matt back INTO the ring while Jeff was kicking him out. Awesome!
I'll definately buy this PPV when it comes out on DVD.
Edit: I did notice the American Flag styled 1 on Steiners tights, and yes, it IS from a Kurt Angle shirt. Wassupwitdat!?
(edited by El Pescado on 20.1.03 0728) "You won't see that on Everybody Loves Raymond!" -J.R. after Trish gets pasted with a chair
Originally posted by joejoeWhere was Victoria? They need to get her away from Trish and mix her with the men. Not in a match with a man, but have her torment someone in sort of an evil manager role, maybe even give her a stable. She has lots of potential beyond wrestling "divas".
She was on Heat as a valet for Stevie Richards in a loss to Spike Dudley. Now, the big question in all of this is why was Jackie the ref for this match? She has been feuding with Richards, and now she is back to being a ref. Does Jackie now have a copy of the Vince/farm animal pictures in order to get TV time?
Please help control the McMahon population. Have your Triple H's spayed or neutered.
If it weren't for Christian hugging Edge, Shannon Moore propping Matt Hardy up with his feet, Nowinski celebrating dumping 'two!' people, Cena rapping for the entire interval, and them actually remembering last year's Maven/Taker exchange, this Rumble wouldn't have been worth the time or the money. Bravo to the midcard for being fantastic. Let's elevate some of these guys, what do you say WWE?
All that is the reason why I LOVE the Rumble and it`s my favorite PPV of the year. Random mini-storylines like that are what make it so fun.
Originally posted by Spiraling_ShapeIf it weren't for Christian hugging Edge, Shannon Moore propping Matt Hardy up with his feet, Nowinski celebrating dumping 'two!' people, Cena rapping for the entire interval, and them actually remembering last year's Maven/Taker exchange, this Rumble wouldn't have been worth the time or the money. Bravo to the midcard for being fantastic. Let's elevate some of these guys, what do you say WWE?
All that is the reason why I LOVE the Rumble and it`s my favorite PPV of the year. Random mini-storylines like that are what make it so fun.
Agreed. The booking of the RR match always lends itself to mini-feuds and continuity reminders.
For instance, I got a big Shawn Michaels/Marty Jannetty Royal Rumble vibe when I saw Matt and Jeff staring at each other.
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The brand extention probably made that the most entertaining Rumble since Flair went the distance in 92. Little things like Edge and Christian interacting, the Hardyz interacting, the Samoans interacting, wouldn't have been special if those people are on television together every week. I don't think I've appriciated the split anymore that I did last night.
The first ten entries or so (however long it took for it to wind up just Jericho left), was probably the most entertaining sequence in Rumble history, thanks largely to the comedic performances of Christian and Nowinski. (Not to mention Rey Mysterio's tireless dedicating to being Rey Mysterio.)
I think Jericho went the longest, although RVD may have topped him by a minute or two. Interestingly enough, the most eliminaions came not from Brock Lesnar, not from The Undertaker, not from Batista but from... Chris Jericho.
I don't think I have to say anything about Angle and Benoit, and I think the brass upstairs "got it", seeing as they actually cut away from the post-match replays to show Benoit's awesome standing ovation. (Although, the vibe I got at the time was "Benoit is injured and going to be out for six months", but that doesn't seem to be the case, praise Jeebus.)
And speaking of Jeebus, this seems obvious to me, but I've never seen anyone point this out before so maybe I'm just really brilliant -- Shawn O'Haire *is* supposed to be Satan, right? The first time one of his promos came on, I thought it was going to be one of those "the devil wants you to smoke weed" sort of PSAs.
And if Nathan Jones has any kind of mic skills, he's going to be "over like rover", as the Bookerman is one to say. I know he's not supposed to be that great in the ring, but that's never the kiss of death unless you have no charisma and are actually painfully, incomprehenisbly awful, as opposed to just "not that great".
And speaking of no charisma and incomprehensible painful matches, Scott Steiner.
Seriously, they aren't going to make us watch that match again at No Way Out, are they? I mean, it was nice to have a chance to take a shower and make myself some nachos right in the middle of the show like that, but I don't really want to pay money for a PPV and still have to kill time in the middle of it every month.
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