I expected more from the Triple Threat Cage Match: I understand that Henry is working hurt, and that it limited what they could have done. But the match, while it lasted, kind of sucked and finished just while it was starting to get going. Show and Bryan had a better match on Smackdown, for goodness sake.
A five minute vignette for Cena, and then later a five minute vignette for Rock on a show which I paid £14.95 for really soured my mood. As did the "bonus" match featuring several Divas that no-one cares about.
Kane and Cena had a perfectly average match. Nothing that I can fault about it, given the limitations of these two, but the whole thing is so played out already. And the post-match angle... I have seen enough of this stuff on Raw.
It didn't belong on the PPV, and he should have been in the Rumble match, but Brodus Clay's presence on any show at the moment is a positive in my eyes. His reaction at the Rumble, in front of a smarkier crowd than most was very encouraging. He really is getting over, and little nuances are added to the act with each outing. Loved the no-selling in the corner. Loved the new "Funkasaurus" logo on his tights. He's a breath of fresh air.
Dolph vs CM Punk was a slight disappointment. I, like many others had this down as a potential MOTY contender but it didn't pan out that way, nowhere near in fact. This was only slightly above the level of their Raw matches.
At this point it was down to the Royal Rumble match to save the show, as is often the case with this show.
Sheamus has the tools to be a huge star, certainly. Really if you want to get him to the next level, winning the World title at Wrestlemania would be the way to do it. That's the best way to elevate someone. When was the last time a relatively new face won the Royal Rumble and then the title at 'Mania in an attempt to elevate them? Rey in 2006 didn't light the world on fire, Batista in 2005 did.
That's what I posted on the 4th January. I can't believe that they did what they SHOULD have done and tried to elevate a new star at the Rumble in Sheamus, and I applaud them for it.
The match itself was enjoyable, I thought, despite some very strange booking decisions. Riley coming in at #2 after Miz has to be one of the weakest starts to a Rumble in history. They were short on star power, so they gave some decent showings to a lot of guys, as I suspected they would after increased TV time for many on Smackdown recently. Justin Gabriel looked decent, as I recall. But pushing guys like Hunico and Jinder Mahal is a lost cause. Mahal in particular will never get over with that gimmick. Therefore there was a lot of dead air time in this year's Rumble.
Was very surprised when Orton went out so quickly, and thought we were going to get an anticlimatic finish with Jericho winning. Boy was I wrong - not only did Jericho and Sheamus have a good Rumble finish match but Jericho got himself over as a heel and just about got the crowd to do a 180 degree turn from wanting Jericho to win and booing Sheamus.
This was a great crowd that made the show better than it really was. They did show some smark, but they were super responsive to the surprises and the comedy spots and to the comedy wrestlers (ie Jurassic Funkasauras...I need a shirt of that tights design pronto).
"Put on your helmets, we'll be reaching speeds of 3!" "It was nice of you to give that dead woman another chance." "All right, look alive everybody...oh sorry Susan."- MST3K: Space Mutiny Click Here (myspace.com)
I made the mistake of watching the '92 Rumble during the day before I watched last nights - man, what a difference. Man, I miss Heenan and Monsoon so much. Amazing how much actually putting over everyone on commentary did to make it seem special.
I didn't think it was too bad and, while I liked the comedy spots (Cobra vs. Sock was awesome; as was anything Ricardo Rodriguez did), I wish that they could have been mixed in with a steady showing for each of them. As much as the crowd likes seeing those spots, it's not going to get them over in the long run. It seemed like eliminations were much quicker, aside from a few of the regulars - it was more like a regular tag match then a bedlam style Royal Rumble. Before I knew it, we seemed to be at #25 - I was like, where did the time go?
The whole "announcers" enter the Rumble thing was just stupid.
I'm not ashamed to say that I enjoyed the Road Dog appearence, though.
I thought this was an average show. Like many there was too much comedy for my taste. I would have been fine with Ricardo/Foley/Santino by itself but when you couple it with Lawler/Booker T/Cole--which I think was supposed to be funny--it was too much.
Another problem I had was that The Miz and Cody Rhodes did a good job of holding down the fort for a long time but they couldn't fight each other because they were both heels and there weren't many notable other stars for the first 20 entries. I think it would have been better for R-Truth or Kofi to stick around longer so they'd have a face that stuck around with them for most of the match.
I also didn't like that when it came down to about the last 8--it was something like Sheamus/Barrett/Ziggler/Cody/Miz/Orton/Jericho/Big Show--I was getting excited that all the best guys were left and it was going to be an awesome ending but I guess there is a rule that Orton and Big Show have to eliminate people immediately when they get in the ring so it went from that great group of guys to the final 4 in the blink of an eye. I think maybe it would have been better if Barrett and Orton both came in earlier so that Orton could eliminate Barrett and some of the dead weight and Orton could stick around longer.
Speaking of Orton, I kind of have a feeling he'll get the title to set up Orton/Sheamus because Orton going into Wrestlemania without a title match seems weird, but I think it'd be pretty cool if he was in the Money in the Bank. It's nice when the legit main eventers are in there instead of the upper midcard guys.
A number of smarks have been complaining for years that the Rumble should be set-up for some mid-carder instead of an already established main eventer or the build is so bad, we already know who is going to win. This year they delivered and now there is bitching it wasn't Jericho or Orton. Jesus, IWC pick one.
I bought it and thought it was pretty good minus the Clay and half hour of commercials. The Divas match was the best you could do with giving KK a moment and then have Beth show how much of a bitch she is while at the same time owning Kelly.
Punk was again super over and I liked the way the match went even if it wasn't the MOTY people thought it was going to be. The only thing is the Laurantis getting in the ring for the three count was just awkward. Cage match was fine. The Cena/Kane match, I thought was great. Kane countered all the Cena spots and it ended in the brawl it needed to. I don't like Ryder being used as a prop let alone Kane getting a pop for the Tombstone. They seem to try to feed the pops Ryder is getting to Cena which is really just bringing Ryder down.
I liked the Rumble. Don't mind comedy bits especially for ones the fans called for like the Sock Puppet War. People thought Foley was going to be out of shape, man Road Dogg. I loved Sheamus winning even though I have a bad feeling its going to lead to Punk/HHH and Jericho/Taker. I am curious to see how Jericho is going to explain the end of the world as we know it now that he has lot. Its kinda interesting to see one of these talked about plans from someone like Jericho that looks like a sure thing just fall apart. I don't feel rid off and I look forward to see where they go with Sheamus who did deserve this.
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Twitter: @realjoecarfley its a bit more toned down there. A bit.
Originally posted by Shem the PenmanKinda sucks to be Miz, Cody, and Ziggler, doesn't it? They come in early, stay for the bulk of the match, and then get unceremoniously dumped once the big boys show up.
When Sheamus, Orton, Jericho and Show showed up and tossed everyone else, it was like WWE saying, "Nothing you saw in that last hour actually mattered, fans!"
I found Cena's performance to be particularly annoying. Cena wrestled the exact same match he always does against every other opponent. Funny, I was lead to believe from the last couple of weeks of TV, last week especially, that he was upset at Kane about something. Nope. Same Cena as always. You'd never know this was a grudge match against Kane. I'm starting to have grave doubts about what kind of performance he'll deliver against The Rock.
Still, I enjoy goofy WWE comedy and this Rumble was the Comedy Rumble so I got my sports entertainment money's worth.
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Originally posted by lotjxA number of smarks have been complaining for years that the Rumble should be set-up for some mid-carder instead of an already established main eventer or the build is so bad, we already know who is going to win. This year they delivered and now there is bitching it wasn't Jericho or Orton. Jesus, IWC pick one.
This isn't happening here. May I suggest you leave baggage from all your other message boards at the door when coming here? If you can't do that...just stop going to those other places. Or here. Just spitballin'.
I bought it and thought it was pretty good minus the Clay and half hour of commercials.
"I was delighted to pay for a half hour of commercials!"
It's funny, I found myself enjoying the show throughout but still left with a bit of a "Huh, that's it?" feeling after. I think I've figured it out as a "nothing changed" feeling. There really wasn't any big moment; if someone asked me "Did I miss anything major last night," the answer would likely just be "Well, Shamus won ... other than that, everything's the same as it was Sunday afternoon."
Don't get me wrong, I still enjoyed watching. I guess I was just expecting more big things to happen.
A few random thoughts:
--I, too, thought that the end of the cage match might have been botched, and that Show was supposed to pull Bryan back into the cage by one hand. I'm torn, though, because Bryan's music started pretty immediately, so someone was paying close attention in audio at that exact moment. Anyone else fearing that Big Show was about to attempt a major bump off the top of the cage?
--Cena-Kane was just angle advancement, which didn't appeal to me much. It'll be interesting to see if they put them in a singles match at Elimination Chamber or if they put 'em both in the main event. That may be their way of putting the belt on Cena for Wrestlemania -- Kane finally gets him to embrace the hate inside the Chamber.
--Punk-Ziggler was very entertaining, though they didn't make it at all clear what was going on with Johnny L. Good fake finish with the three ignored pinfalls and then the rocker dropper for Dolph; I'm sure tons of people thought that'd be the end.
--Finally, as entertaining as Socko-Cobra was, Mick has no business being in that ring as an active participant any more. He struggled just to get down to ringside and was noticeably winded quickly.
Didn't watch the show, but followed the results as they were happening ... when I read that Sheamus had won, my initial thought was that somehow a Fatal 4 way would be set-up for WM with he, Bryan, Orton & Barrett ...
I loved the cage match. I thought for a "big-man" match, it moved very fast and had a lot of variety and excitement. Great performance by Show and Henry.
Cena/Kane ended so stupidly, it negated any goodwill I had toward the match.
Ziggler/Punk: where can I begin? That was a spectacular match and the crowd at it up. I think everyone around the world thought Punk was CERTAINLY beaten at one point. We all held our breath. The finish was logical: Laurinaitis called it down the middle to pass his job review tonight.
The Rumble itself? Rancid. Until the Final Four, it was packed with low-wattage "where's he beens?" The finish is an interesting choice but I'm for anything that elevates Sheamus. The fans have really been responding to him.
I think if Cena, Kane, Rey, Del Rio, Christian, Ryder, Sin Cara, Evan Bourne, and Ted DiBiase (three Rumble winners, five world champions, three pushed midcarders, and Ted DiBiase) had all been in the Rumble then it would've felt closer to a real Rumble field.
So we have a few hours for pointless Chamber predictions. I'll say that the Raw EC is for the title shot. Jericho, Del Rio, Miz, Truth, Ziggler, and ... Kofi. HHH makes Laurinaitis wrestle Punk. Hmm. That might not work without any babyfaces so maybe Punk is in. Cena wrestles Kane again.
Smackdown - Daniel Bryan's last impossible hurdle. DB vs. Show vs. Henry vs. Orton vs. Barrett vs. Cody. Christian comes back to lose to Sheamus again.
I came, I saw, I......felt cheated from the Royal Rumble. What is normally my favorite PPV of the year was extremely disappointing.
Every match (including the 2 world title matches) were all flat. Normally steel cage matches have some type of climax at the end that keeps the viewers wondering what the hell is gonna happen but not so much. Granted, I did pick DB to win but it seemed like the very ending was a bit too disappointing and left me saying, "That's it?". I was looking forward to the Punk and Ziggler match but that was very disappointing as well as Ziggler pretty much got squashed in that match and not to mentioned eating Kharma's finisher in the Rumble. I am very sure this is a one time thing for Zigs losing like he did at the RR but but him jobbing that night did not make the PPV any better.
Now the Rumble; the most depleted RR that I can remember watching. Besides Miz (and maybe Kofi), there was no one worth watching until the 20's. Normally you have a big name or two in the middle of the pack to toss over the wannabes and jobbers. The ending was fairly climatic between Jericho and Sheamus but otherwise, a RR I would prefer to forget.
Now onto the Elimination Chamber PPV which I am 100% sure will already be better than the RR.
Originally posted by SchippeWreckScottyflamingo, ladies and gentlemen! Only one to correctly pick Sheamus.
Yes, yes, yes, YES!!!! [/DANIELBRYAN]
Heh. When it got down to the final two, I was really torn. I really wanted Jericho to win, but I knew I was the only person on the planet to call Sheamus.
Didn't think the show was as bad as some people are making it out to be, but then I fast forwarded through the women's match and most of Cena/Kane.
Quick random thoughts:
-I too wondered if Bryan slipped out of Show's grasp on accident, but they made a point of Ziggler getting to be in the Rumble since he didn't win the title.
-Ziggles is growing on me, but damn he needs to get rid of Vicki.
-You know, if the roster is THIS depleted, just bring in a bunch of legends.
-King/Booker/Cole was like the year the roster was so depleted that Foley pulled triple duty as Dude, Mankind, and Cactus.
-God bless Hacksaw. Blew the roof off the damn place. Never the greatest worker but few can get the type of crowd reaction he gets every time. I felt happy for him.
-Great comedy segment at the beginning. Ricardo > Del Rio ever was. My favortie bit was with Socko and the Cobra and the CAMERA PANS IN so it is like they are fighting each other.
-Really thought Golddust would come out and spoil Cody's run. There goes my call of Goldie Vs Cody with Dusty as ref at Mania.
-The ending kinda came off as a big FU to the internet. Seems like they hate it when a really good idea develops online. I mean, Jericho at #29? I thought that meant #30 had to be some huge name like Lesnar or UT coming back. But no...just Big Show.
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"Winner: I think it is really a coin flip between Orton and Jericho, but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Shaemus."
Originally posted by JustinShapiroI think if Cena, Kane, Rey, Del Rio, Christian, Ryder, Sin Cara, Evan Bourne, and Ted DiBiase (three Rumble winners, five world champions, three pushed midcarders, and Ted DiBiase) had all been in the Rumble then it would've felt closer to a real Rumble field.
I would have said Mark Henry instead of DiBiase.
If they wanted to stay goofy Brodus Clay should have gotten the middle throw out the dead wood slot. The pop would have been there, it would have gotten him over as a guy that is a threat, and they could have even done the gang up and do the fat guy throw out spot.
That would have gotten people more fired up than the OMG ANOTHER ANNOUNCER IN THE RUMBLE!
The script for this Rumble must have read just like one of the advanced copies that HOT NEWZ usually gets a hold of.
I might have said this before, but Foley is shaped just like Robert Paulsen these days.
[quote Scottyflamingo -You know, if the roster is THIS depleted, just bring in a bunch of legends.
Or you know call up new blood from the FCW like Steamboat, Claudio, Moxley and Black. Those guys would actually breathe life into the mid card and give the WWE a chance to create new stars. That would be much better idea than bringing in legends, IMO.
I don't think you can debut rookies cold in the Royal Rumble. But with all the empty spots it would've been cool, if incredibly unlikely, if Titus, Bateman, DYoung, and Curtis had competed on NXT for a Rumble spot and quick elimination. In some kind of match, or race, or trivia challenge.
Oh WWE.com has the Raw Chamber match.
CM Punk vs. Chris Jericho vs. The Miz vs. R-Truth vs. Dolph Ziggler vs. Kofi Kingston
Should be fantastic. Del Rio going to be out for a while longer I guess?
Originally posted by Tyler DurdenWhat happened to Kharma's baby, by the way? Did she give birth already?
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