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#41 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.14
    Originally posted by djp
      Originally posted by Quezzy
      So no Christian appearance? Or was he in the Rumble and just hasn't been mentioned yet.



    No Christian. I think that is why the Matt Hardy heel turn caught me so off-guard. I kept looking for CC to run through the crowd and screw Jeff.

I think they turned Matt because Christian wasn't available...or for that matter, wasn't signed. Does he have a no-compete clause through TNA?

Wonder if he'll come back as Christian Cage, Christian, or maybe as something different...like his real name, Jay Reso? That'd be pretty cool.

As for the card:

-RVD looked good in the Rumble. I wish he'd come back, but ya gotta respect the man for wanting to stay at home to look after his wife.

-No Rosa? That really sucked.

-Cena/JBL was good since JBL didn't win the title.

-The end of Edge/Hardy was good. It was as though Matt did it on is own accord, and wasn't in cahoots with Edge. Then again, I haven't read his Myspace blog, so I don't know what (or if) his reasoning is.

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#42 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.81
Jack Swagger looked alright out there for someone so inexperienced, but that name has got to go. You cannot market someone that who is called something that corny. There are midget porn stars that would have rejected that name.

Women's match was okay. I always thought Melina was something of a butterface, but as a good guy she doesn't make nearly as many "I'm trying to look like a bitch, but come off looking severely consitpated" facial expressions. As such, I would do her.

I must say, I thought the JBL/Cena match was largely dreadful. JBL may have lost weight, but it hasn't improved his appearance any; in fact he looked like a melted candle, or a mound of cheese forgotten in the microwave. And athletically, I don't think he did anything my 64-year-old father couldn't do.

Taker/Michaels could be good, but Shawn is gonna get booed, as will anyone against Taker at Mania. I do not understand why anyone wants to see Jericho against him. Jericho was clearly the performer of the 2008, developed a heel character more refined than anything that's come out of Titan in years, and Taker is a 45-year-old novelty act. Great wrestler, yes. Best novelty act ever? Probably. But still a novelty act. Jericho deserves better.

The Matt turn was very well-exected. But the more I thought about it, the less I liked it, especially since it was probably done purely to set up a Hunter/Edge match with a foregone conclusion that no one really wants to see. I love Edge but seven title reigns? It's not like his first one was in 2000 or something. It was like '06. Seven reigns in three years is retarded. Maybe it's mark-like to say, but damn if I don't miss when titles meant something.

As someone who hasn't been following, I was quite surprised by a few things. One, I didn't know if RVD was back previously, but I figured it was a surprise based on the audience reaction. I don't get the skinning the cat hate, and I would even move that it's not actually skinning the cat per se unless the person pulls themselves back over the top ringrope and into the ring in a standing position. Just holding on isn't skinning the cat; it's trying not to lose. Orton winning was ulta-gay, even if you put the personal issues aside. In the Royal Rumble preview before the match itself, he was about the only guy they highlighted, AND they gave him an exposition-filled conversation with Jericho. I have never for the life of me been able to figure out why they don't sell at least three guys as valid Rumble winners going in so that it's less predictable.

Predictability and Orton-hate aside, one good thing I'll say about him winning is that it's been a long time since a heel captured the Rumble. I don't count McMahon in '99, which is the only Rumble event I have never seen, and I refuse to ever see it. That victory is sequestered in vacuum of my subconscious where I keep David Arquette's title win, early-to-mid 90s Stan Lane commentary, and the WXO.

But back into the rest of the 90s it used to happen almost as much as a face winning: Austin in '97, Shawn in '95, Yoko in '93, and Flair in '92 all come to mind. That works out near half the Rumbles of that decade going to heels. I like the idea of a heel winning the Rumble, going on to Mania, and failing. Time to mix it up a bit.

Decent show.



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#43 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.18
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    Taker/Michaels could be good, but Shawn is gonna get booed, as will anyone against Taker at Mania. I do not understand why anyone wants to see Jericho against him. Jericho was clearly the performer of the 2008, developed a heel character more refined than anything that's come out of Titan in years, and Taker is a 45-year-old novelty act. Great wrestler, yes. Best novelty act ever? Probably. But still a novelty act. Jericho deserves better.


Short of wrestling the world champion or an Oscar nominee, I don't think there is a better spot he could have had for this Wrestlemania. Jericho getting indignant about ending the Undertaker's streak, in a rare match that hasn't been done on PPV, wrestling Undertaker who's amazingly never been better as a worker would've been pretty great. That said, I slightly prefer Shawn/Taker so I'm satisfecho.
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#44 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.93
The exposure of Jericho/Rourke will be immense. It will get national coverage and the such but does the WWE NEED that? I mean, they are not going to pick up new fans due to Mickey Rourke. The Mayweather/Show match was intriging because Mayweather could box and is a legitimate athlete. Could he REALISTICALLY win? Of course not. But the interest level in what COULD happen due to his athleticism was high.

Can Rourke last more than 5 minutes? Will he make the effort to get in shape and do what is necessary to look competent? because if he does not, then the match will be utter shit and show how, the shit smell from the match will stay with Jericho.

I love Jericho. That is way obviousl from my posts. And if Rourke someone along the lines of The Rock in terms for HAD wrestling experience and made it as an actor and then came back to fight Jericho, I would be way interested. But this time last year, no one uttered the name Mickey Rourke. If the WWE were hurting financially and needed a kick, I'd be fine with this. But it does not and to me this match makes no sense at all.

Count me as one of those who hope that this match is either a 2 on 1 with Rourke/Flair v. Jericho or Jericho pulls in some other wrestler and makes it ia tag match.

Either way, I would rather see Jericho either end or put a scare into UT's streak than "wrestle" The Wrestler.





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#45 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.34

One would think that Jericho working Mickey Rourke could also help with Jericho's acting aspirations.



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#46 Posted on
Here are your Rumble stats in Excel format (ititches.com)

I've always timed the entrances from the bell that announces the entrant, not stepping over the rope, so Marella's dubious record isn't reflected.

I haven't watched wrestling at all since last year's Rumble (my fond farewell to watching every show every week), but it doesn't look like I've missed much. While I was mostly underwhelmed by the undercard, the Rumble was everything I've come to expect, and was great. Maybe Randy's win wasn't so craptacular for me since I had him in the pool here...

I guess I missed out on the nostalgia pops for the one-off returns since I haven't had time to miss these guys, but it was at least good to see Jericho back in full-time action, even it was counterbalanced by the fact that JBL still wrestles full-time and in briefs. Christian's coming back? That may get me to watch again-- I actually tuned into a few TNA shows, just for him.






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#47 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.16
Ladies and gentlemen, the following public service message is brought to you by your friends from D-Generation X, who would like to remind each and every one of you that if you're not down with that, we've got two words for you...

Oy...

    Originally posted by Figure Four Weekly via Scott Keith's blog
    People who are thinking that the Matt [Hardy] heel turn was leading to some ingenious new form on the Hardyz-E&C feud at WM were giving the WWE way too much credit. In fact, Matt was turned because too many had guessed that Christian was the mystery attacker, and so they pulled a Russo and changed the storyline at the last minute. Where this leaves Christian, no one knows.

Still don't think I was right about Matt's turn being a totally fucked up decision? Not that this isn't par for the course for the geniuses on Stephanie's booking committee, of course, but in this case, it's more fun to blame all of you smarky-smarks for ruining everything with your "OMG CHRISTIAN!!!" fits of orgasmic-y glee months before the storyline could play itself out. Now both Hardys are stuck in an unplanned midcard storyline that will be overshadowed by the title matches, MITB, and the Jericho/Rourke tiff, and Christian is in complete limbo. Good job, people!



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#48 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.65
    Originally posted by Texas Kelly
    Oy...

      Originally posted by Figure Four Weekly via Scott Keith's blog
      People who are thinking that the Matt [Hardy] heel turn was leading to some ingenious new form on the Hardyz-E&C feud at WM were giving the WWE way too much credit. In fact, Matt was turned because too many had guessed that Christian was the mystery attacker, and so they pulled a Russo and changed the storyline at the last minute. Where this leaves Christian, no one knows.

    Still don't think I was right about Matt's turn being a totally fucked up decision? Not that this isn't par for the course for the geniuses on Stephanie's booking committee, of course, but in this case, it's more fun to blame all of you smarky-smarks for ruining everything with your "OMG CHRISTIAN!!!" fits of orgasmic-y glee months before the storyline could play itself out. Now both Hardys are stuck in an unplanned midcard storyline that will be overshadowed by the title matches, MITB, and the Jericho/Rourke tiff, and Christian is in complete limbo. Good job, people!


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#49 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.82
    Originally posted by Texas Kelly
    Oy...

      Originally posted by Figure Four Weekly via Scott Keith's blog
      People who are thinking that the Matt [Hardy] heel turn was leading to some ingenious new form on the Hardyz-E&C feud at WM were giving the WWE way too much credit. In fact, Matt was turned because too many had guessed that Christian was the mystery attacker, and so they pulled a Russo and changed the storyline at the last minute. Where this leaves Christian, no one knows.

    Still don't think I was right about Matt's turn being a totally fucked up decision? Not that this isn't par for the course for the geniuses on Stephanie's booking committee, of course, but in this case, it's more fun to blame all of you smarky-smarks for ruining everything with your "OMG CHRISTIAN!!!" fits of orgasmic-y glee months before the storyline could play itself out. Now both Hardys are stuck in an unplanned midcard storyline that will be overshadowed by the title matches, MITB, and the Jericho/Rourke tiff, and Christian is in complete limbo. Good job, people!


None of this makes it any less stupid to write off a storyline before it has even started. I missed the part in there that said what Matt's explanation was going to be on Friday.
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#50 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.34
    Originally posted by the actual F4W newsletter (available to subscribers at F4Wonline.com) as opposed to Scott Keith's reinterpretation thereof
    And speaking of stupid, we saw a TNA-level swerve in the Jeff Hardy vs. Edge match when Matt Hardy turned on his brother and cost him the belt. One of the original scenarios was that it would be revealed that Christian was the one who had attacked Jeff in the stairwell, ran him off the road, blown him up with pyro, and ultimately cost him the belt. Jeff would win the Smackdown Elimination Chamber, but then announce that he was so goddamn upset about what Christian had done that instead of fighting for the title he wanted him at WrestleMania instead. I don't know this for certain but it appears that WWE figured too many people knew about this scenario and thus they had to change it. There are few things in this business more infuriating. The Christian scenario was fascinating and would have been a great debut for a new character. Now, to "fool the marks", it's been switched up so that Matt Hardy is apparently the culprit, and while it was a surprise it was one of those lame Vince Russo surprises that doesn't make a goddamn bit of sense.
    Originally posted by the Royal Rumble PPV recap from said actual F4W newsletter available at F4Wonline.com
    Jeff went up top for the senton but Vickie ran down to stop him. He booted her away and hit it anyway. The ref went to count but Vickie broke it up. Matt then ran down with a chair and threw Vickie into the ring. Each Hardy grabbed a chair for the concerto, but then Matt turned and waffled his brother with his. Yes, they swerved us because everyone knew Christian was coming in. Totally lame Russo-level swerve. Edge then covered Jeff for the pin. They tried to play it up like Edge had no idea Matt was going to help him out. Well, I'd fucking hope not, seeing as to how they were in a blood feud on the Smackdown show I watched two days ago.




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#51 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.18
Why would you blame People On The Internet for guessing what they think would be a cool payoff causing to the payoff being changed to a worse one? "Ruining everything"? Are they obligated to guess something different? That's silly.

    Originally posted by Texas Kelly
    Now both Hardys are stuck in an unplanned midcard storyline that will be overshadowed by the title matches, MITB, and the Jericho/Rourke tiff


HardyHardy will be a bigger match than MITB. That said, Jeff vs. Christian would've been in the same spot in the pegging order.

    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    I missed the part in there that said what Matt's explanation was going to be on Friday.


Well I hope he explains why he cost Jeff the belt in November, helped him win it in December, then cost him it again in January.
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#52 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.25
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And here's how my Rumble pool went down. (Pictures available here.)

I think Hurricane Helms swiped my idea.

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#53 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.31
    Originally posted by KJames199
      Originally posted by the actual F4W newsletter (available to subscribers at F4Wonline.com) as opposed to Scott Keith's reinterpretation thereof
      And speaking of stupid, we saw a TNA-level swerve in the Jeff Hardy vs. Edge match when Matt Hardy turned on his brother and cost him the belt. One of the original scenarios was that it would be revealed that Christian was the one who had attacked Jeff in the stairwell, ran him off the road, blown him up with pyro, and ultimately cost him the belt. Jeff would win the Smackdown Elimination Chamber, but then announce that he was so goddamn upset about what Christian had done that instead of fighting for the title he wanted him at WrestleMania instead. I don't know this for certain but it appears that WWE figured too many people knew about this scenario and thus they had to change it. There are few things in this business more infuriating. The Christian scenario was fascinating and would have been a great debut for a new character. Now, to "fool the marks", it's been switched up so that Matt Hardy is apparently the culprit, and while it was a surprise it was one of those lame Vince Russo surprises that doesn't make a goddamn bit of sense.



This really kinda pisses me off. Cutting off your nose to spite your face as my mother would say.

Everybody "knew" Hogan was going to win every big match from 85-88 but still enjoyed it when it happened.

You come up with the most interesting story you can, and run with it. People are going to try to guess what's going to happen next. That's what people do when they are interested. The WWE had people buying in to the concept, as shown by the people engaging in discussion, and they decide this is a bad thing?

Really!
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#54 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.16
Let's all be glad that WWE didn't think this way back a nine years ago, or we all would have been really disappointed when the Millenium Clock went off and Bob Holly came out to challenge The Rock.



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