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The LA Times (latimesblogs.latimes.com) is reporting that Roman Polanski has been arrested in Switzerland and is being held for extradition to the US.

All I can say is that it is about time and good for the prosecutors. He may be a gifted director, but he's also a rapist who has been fleeing justice for way too long. Hopefully, his next career move will be into an 8x12 barred room where he can plan a documentary about the lifestyle of child rapists and how they are treated in prison.

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Watch this, 'bash91'. It's a hell of a lot more complicated than you are painting it to be in your mind.



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What really bothers me about Polanski is the fact that he wouldn't face trial for this. He's Roman fucking Polanski - he ain't going to prison. Hell, there's only maybe a 75% chance of him even being found guilty in court, regardless of how much evidence they have. But he ran anyway. He could have settled this 30 years ago with, frankly, a minimal amount of scandal (there are celebrities walking around free in this country that have done worse things than he did). He wouldn't even face that.
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I've seen it. And no, it's not a lot more complicated than I'm painting it. The guy willingly and knowingly DRUGGED a THIRTEEN year old in order to anally rape her. Not a lot of complication there. The court proceedings were screwy, but no one has ever credibly claimed that Polanski didn't both drug her and rape her.

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It is more complicated. He did his time, the judge fucked him over on the plea bargain. Hence, it has gone into 'Witch Hunt' territory.



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The last I heard about this case, the victim asked that the matter be dropped. She was tired of it shadowing her. But I blame Polanksi for running off after pleading guilty instead of the prosecution for continuing the pursuit. This is why, according to NPR today, Polanski had avoided similar festivals of his work; he knew he could be arrested.



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Though besides the various psychological reasons for the victim to want it dropped, there is always the possibility Polanski paid her off earlier.
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.52
    Originally posted by TheMASKEDComputerGeek
    It is more complicated. He did his time, the judge fucked him over on the plea bargain. Hence, it has gone into 'Witch Hunt' territory.


Again, no. It isn't more complicated despite what Polanski apologists would like to argue. The judge didn't do anything to Polanski. Instead Polanski fled the country because he thought, emphasis thought, the judge might give him a sentence different than the plea bargain. No concrete evidence that the judge was going to do something different, which could have been appealed and would have allowed Polanski to stay out of jail during the appeals process. No denial that he drugged and sodomized a thirteen year old girl. Instead, Polanski ran away because he wasn't willing to do the time after he did the crime.

In other words, Polanski screwed Polanski. Nobody else. Plus, calling it a witch hunt is grossly inaccurate since it implies that the hunted is innocent. In this case, using that term is unfair to your average witch since it compares them to a pedophile and rapist.

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Why do people feel the need to mention that he sodomized her? Isn't it enough to say raped? I don't understand the need to differentiate between orifices as if somehow, one is worse than the other.

None of this is meant to argue in favour of Polanski, but I do like that he admits he likes young girls and at least isn't two-faced about it. I think it is perfectly normal to feel an attraction to anyone who is physically mature, but at some point that good old capacity for judgment we've evolved is supposed to kick in. And where's the Woody Allen hate?



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    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    at some point that good old capacity for judgment we've evolved is supposed to kick in.
Irony, thy name is Hogan's My Dad.









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    Originally posted by CRZ
      Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
      at some point that good old capacity for judgment we've evolved is supposed to kick in.
    Irony, thy name is Hogan's My Dad.


I think I've matured over the years on this board, CRZ, don't you? ;D

Anyway, as I said, wasn't trying to defend anyone doing what Polanski did. Sorry if that's how it came across.



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    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    I do like that he admits he likes young girls and at least isn't two-faced about it.
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    Anyway, as I said, wasn't trying to defend anyone doing what Polanski did. Sorry if that's how it came across.
My opinion, that's exactly how it came across. I'm with Tim, it's about time.
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    Originally posted by jfkfc
      Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
      I do like that he admits he likes young girls and at least isn't two-faced about it.
      Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
      Anyway, as I said, wasn't trying to defend anyone doing what Polanski did. Sorry if that's how it came across.
    My opinion, that's exactly how it came across. I'm with Tim, it's about time.


It was intended more as a "devil you know versus the devil you don't" argument, but at the same time, I'm sure there are people throwing stones in the media here who have some disturbing skeletons in their own closets, and I'm not interested in a media circus of hypocrisy, either.

But yes, he should pay for the crime.



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.03
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    But yes, he should pay for the crime.


And again, that's what really pisses me off about this whole thing. He's not going to pay for his crime. He's rich and famous, and he's going to get off with a slap on the wrists at worst. He's dragged this mess out for 30 years, flaunting the entire US legal system, for essentially no reason.
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I think this whole thing is and will continue to backfire. I know some people are hoping to finally get vengeance on Polanski for fleeing and want to see him pay what they feel is the appropriate price for his crimes and strip away his undeserved public goodwill.

Problem is it's not going to be that way. First the U.S. snatches him up through another country, so we'll get the spectacle of an old Holocaust survivor being chained up and brought back to the U.S. (assuming he ever gets extradited). Then we'll have a big trial where the victim wants no part of the proceedings, and millions will be spent to prosecute a 40 year old crime that everyone involved with the crime has long moved on from.

Then when it's done, and Polanski either gets off or ends up being punished with some very light sentence, he will no longer be in exile. He'll be free to reenter Hollywood, travel anywhere he likes, and no longer will there be any need to point out why he's not around like during the Oscars a few years ago. He'll get the missing part of his life back and be better off than he was when it all started.

I guess to someone that might seem like justice being served, but your mileage likely will vary.





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We have different understandings of the situation, yours being different from the prosecution, defense and victim in the original legal case, at that. They all seem to be operating under the same assumption that the plea bargain was taken off the table. This after Polanski served forty plus days of psychiatric testing to assure he wasn't a menace to society. The judge was going to make an example of him despite the wishes of everybody involved on both sides of the case. I'm not excusing what he did, it's inexcusable. He deserved to be punished. But again, the man's wife was murdered by a serial killer and he survived the Holocaust while his mother died in it. I can see why he would be mentally unbalanced. It's just a irrevocably fucked situation all the way around.



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    Originally posted by TheMASKEDComputerGeek
    We have different understandings of the situation, yours being different from the prosecution, defense and victim in the original legal case, at that. They all seem to be operating under the same assumption that the plea bargain was taken off the table. This after Polanski served forty plus days of psychiatric testing to assure he wasn't a menace to society. The judge was going to make an example of him despite the wishes of everybody involved on both sides of the case.


Hmmm, I'm wrong because I wrote that Polanski fled because he thought the plea bargain was off the table but you are right because Polanski assumed the plea bargain was off the table. Gotcha. Makes perfect sense to me now. Polanski ran away because he was a coward, afraid of confronting what he had done.

I don't get the forty days argument at all. Polanski was committed for evaluation, not punishment. The two aren't the same and the attempts by his defenders to conflate them aren't entirely honest. The other part I don't understand is that people seem to be arguing that those 40+ days were and are sufficient penalty for drugging and raping a thirteen year old girl and I just can't wrap my head around that viewpoint.

    Originally posted by TheMASKEDComputerGeek
    I'm not excusing what he did, it's inexcusable. He deserved to be punished. But again, the man's wife was murdered by a serial killer and he survived the Holocaust while his mother died in it. I can see why he would be mentally unbalanced. It's just a irrevocably fucked situation all the way around.


So having a rough life gives you permission to be a pedophile and a rapist? Having your wife be killed means you get a free pass to irrevocably change for the worse another woman's life? Surviving the Holocaust gives you permission to break the law with impunity because you are mentally imbalanced? For not defending him, you are trying awfully hard.

As for the situation, all the blame for that rests squarely on the shoulders of Roman Polanski. Everything that has happened is completely and totally his fault, no exceptions. Polanski and his defenders try to deflect blame to others but the simple truth is that there wouldn't be any situation now or then if Polanski hadn't decided to drug and rape a thirteen year old girl. Even now, the situation isn't irretrievable as long as Polanski has the courage to own up to his deeds. On second thought, the situation is irretrievable.

    Originally posted by spf
    Then when it's done, and Polanski either gets off or ends up being punished with some very light sentence, he will no longer be in exile. He'll be free to reenter Hollywood, travel anywhere he likes, and no longer will there be any need to point out why he's not around like during the Oscars a few years ago. He'll get the missing part of his life back and be better off than he was when it all started.


Maybe. Remember, if his conviction is upheld, he'll be a sex offender and it's awfully hard to get back into the US legally with that on your record. I suspect it'll be even harder in this case given the publicity around it and the backlash against the Polanski defenders and enablers both here and in France. But, as you said, your mileage may vary.

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I have 2 daughters ages 9 & 11. If anything like this ever happened to either one of them and perpetrator fled the country, I would never rest in my pursuit of justice no matter how long it took. Roman Polanski belonged in jail then and he belongs in jail now.



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    Originally posted by bash91


    Maybe. Remember, if his conviction is upheld, he'll be a sex offender and it's awfully hard to get back into the US legally with that on your record. I suspect it'll be even harder in this case given the publicity around it and the backlash against the Polanski defenders and enablers both here and in France. But, as you said, your mileage may vary.


It might happen, but I suspect what will end up happening will be a plea of some sort that lets him get a slap on the wrist for a different charge, or a lesser charge that doesn't take away his ability to travel.

And if that happens, in a year or so no one but a handful will remember any of this.



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    Originally posted by TheMASKEDComputerGeek
    We have different understandings of the situation, yours being different from the prosecution, defense and victim in the original legal case, at that. They all seem to be operating under the same assumption that the plea bargain was taken off the table. This after Polanski served forty plus days of psychiatric testing to assure he wasn't a menace to society. The judge was going to make an example of him despite the wishes of everybody involved on both sides of the case. I'm not excusing what he did, it's inexcusable. He deserved to be punished. But again, the man's wife was murdered by a serial killer and he survived the Holocaust while his mother died in it. I can see why he would be mentally unbalanced. It's just a irrevocably fucked situation all the way around.


So, he served "forty plus days of psychiatric testing to make sure he wasn't a menace to society"... but you "can see why he would be mentally unbalanced." I'm having trouble reconciling those two statements. Either this guy's a kook who should be locked up in a psychiatric ward or he's a guy who knew what he did was wrong and fled to escape punishment. Either way, I don't see why he should see the light of day for quite a while.

Of course, maybe since it wasn't actually "rape rape", it should be forgiven. I frickin' love Hollywood.*

*by "love Hollywood", I mean "despise Hollywood and hope it's blown off the face of the earth."
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