I just thought I'd talk a bit about the show I just got back from, the Ring of Honor show from the Manhattan Center in New York City.
The show started off great with Pelle Primeau (little dude, like 90 pounds dripping wet) talking about crowd surfing and he made an open challenge to anyone. Samoa Joe's music starts up, but it's NOAH's Morishima and he kills Pelle with one backdrop driver and that's it.
Delirious went over Adam Pierce. This was the only average match to me, and Delirious is so over that it doesn't matter.
They had a SHIMMER match with Sara Del Ray and Allison Danger vs. Alexa Thatcher (SO HOT) and Daizee Haze. Lacey runs out to attack Haze, leaving Thatcher alone with the tag team. She was quickly pinned by Del Ray. I don't mind being short because Alexa looked green so it was probably good that they kept it short.
Next came the most fun match of the night, with Jack Evans surviving a four way elimination match, last eliminating Shingo from Dragon Gate. Shingo has been a beast in his ROH appearances, and he and Evans work so well together (some of this is probably due to Evans long stint in Dragon Gate last year). I love Jack Evans, so him going over was a mark out moment for me.
BJ Whitmer continued his strong work, winning a match where tables are legal against Brent Albright. This was about 10 times better than I thought it would be, and there were some nice table spots.
Sydal and Daniels kept the tag team belts next after beating Austin Aries and Roderick Strong in a long, good match. Aries looks to have messed up his knee legit, as he was hobbling badly. But he gutted it out, and he gutted out the post match angle where Roderick turned on him and he and Davey Richards announced that they were now the "No Remorse Core." I'm not so much a fan of the name, and Roderick and Davey seem very similar to me. But Jack Evans came out for the save, and I am a big fan of Aries. Those two are going to make Rod and Davey look like gangbusters when they all face each other.
The Briscoes, a team having the best tag matches on the Indy scene, had a great match with Nigel McGuinness and a more serious Colt Cabana. Colt was really keeping up well with Nigel, a guy who looks to have the best year of anyone in 2007 for ROH. The Briscoes actually jobbed to Nigel, so that tells you how important Nigel is to ROH.
This led into my match of the night, Samoa Joe vs. Morishima. Sadly, the Joe cheering section dwarfed the Morishima backers, but my friend and I tried our best to get behind the future champ of NOAH and possibly the future champ of ROH (tomorrow night). Morishima kept up with Joe, and Joe had one of his better ROH matches in the last 6 months. Joe made Morishima pass out from his Choke Sleeper which was very disappointing, but at least the finish wasn't Morishima getting pinned or submitting.
Plus, tonight is the Philly show with Morishima getting a chance to win the ROH title from Homicide. I'm also going to this show, and I'm willing to forgive Joe going over last night as long as Morishima wins the ROH belt tonight.
Finally, Homicide beat Jimmy Rave in another strong match. Rave just has something that makes you think he might win the title, even though he never does. I remember thinking Rave was going over Danielson in Edison last year, and there were a couple of points last night when I thought they would give Rave the win. It would have also made sense to have Morishima be able to go over champion Rave in Philly tonight.
Overall, this show in NYC was not going to equal the 9/16 NYC epic with Danielson/KENTA and Marufuji/McGuinness, but with only two "average" matches (SHIMMER, Delirious) and several good to great matches (and one dream match in Joe/Morishima), I'm certainly happy I was at this show. I can only hope that tonight in Philly can come close to NYC for sheer workrate and sheer entertainment.
So, can anyone else see Morishima being given the title victory tonight because of the Joe match? Or will the logistics of a NOAH guy who won't be around ROH all the time prevent them from taking the belt off of Homicide?
I've heard speculation around the net about Morishima going over and winning the belt also. And even if that meant the ROH belt "disappeared" to Japan for awhile I think it would be a perfectly acceptable thing to happen. I try to stray away from ROH spoilers as best I can but I do know The Briscoes won the NOAH tag titles. However, from what I found on wiki it looks like they held the belts for less than a month. It seems fitting that since ROH guys got a NOAH title that a NOAH guy would get a ROH belt.
Then again, I thought that since KENTA had won every singles match he was in before facing Dragon and with Dragon having a hurt shoulder that KENTA would win. Especially since at that time the Homicide storyline hadn't caught fire as of yet. So, if they didn't put the belt on KENTA who was leaving ROH then I don't think they will ultimately put it on Morishima. But, I do wish they would!
I look forward to reading your take on the show tonight, Torch, since I'm afraid to venture into the dark pit of ROH message board land.
This show taught me the importance of a good crowd. Everybody in my section (between the entrance way and the merch table) was a complete douche nozzle who was just trying to get themselves over to the people around them. It really took some of the excitement out of a very strong show for me.
Though I loved when the security guy tossed the high school kid two rows in front of me for stealing DVDs.
Nigel could very easily be their next go-to guy the way Joe and Danielson have been for years.
And yes, Alexa Thatcher is hotter than nine hells.
Results just came in through the ROH Message Forum, and Morishima did indeed defeat Homicide tonight to become the Ring of Honor World Heavyweight Champion.
I'm not terribly surprised Homicide's reign didn't last long in lieu of what happened with Joe and other TNA talent (from what I've read TNA has more or less asked its roster to only do indy bookings through them).
It's worth noting that Morishima's working more US dates, including a tag match on the 24th in Chicago with Nigel McGuinness, taking on Homicide and Samoa Joe. Which means most likely he'll defend against BJ Whitmer the night before in Dayton.
Call me crazy, but something tells me BJ Whitmer won't win the title. However, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see one of the Liverpool cards changed to give Nigel the title shot and to go over. Man, that would be awesome.
Morishima did indeed win the belt, and the match was pretty good. It didn't match the Morishima/Joe match from NYC, but it was still a fun contest.
I would love to hear about Morishima defending the ROH title in NOAH, perhaps even against Chris Hero. With the news of Marufuji coming back to the States in May (they announced this during the NYC show), they could have a title change in Japan. The possibilities of this Morishima reign pretty much is what I love about the belt changing hands tonight (along with Morishima just being a beast).
The rest of the show was great, but the unlikely highlight was the Briscoes vs. Kevin Steen and El Generico. Steen was the MVP last night and really entertaining, and he and Generico made a great showing. I love the Briscoes, and it helps when you have someone like Generico to take amazing bumps for you. Again though, Steen kept up when I really worried about him being the weak link in this contest. They got a hearty "Please Come Back" chant from the crowd and a standing O when they were done.
All in all, I'd recommend last night's Philly show for those two matches, and all the matches were pretty good...EXCEPT for Strong/Delirious. This was a bad match with a quick ending as Strong got a countout victory. There were thoughts that Delirious might have been legit hurt, and if so then I guess you can't fault them.
I don't know though, it might be that I just don't like Roderick Strong. He has like negative charisma in that he sucks the charisma out of his opponents. In the ring, he's fine but not great or flashy enough to offset his bland personality.
Thankfully, there were no real annoying crowd killers this time, unlike the previous night where portions of the crowd chanted "Kaientai" at Shingo, along with chanting for John Cena of all people. Seriously, in NYC there were a couple of fans who were about to get into a fight over whether John Cena "sucked" or not.
Overall, the NYC show was better, but Philly was great. Now it's on to Chikara's night three of the King of Trios tournament later today.
Originally posted by TorchslasherThe rest of the show was great, but the unlikely highlight was the Briscoes vs. Kevin Steen and El Generico. Steen was the MVP last night and really entertaining, and he and Generico made a great showing. I love the Briscoes, and it helps when you have someone like Generico to take amazing bumps for you. Again though, Steen kept up when I really worried about him being the weak link in this contest. They got a hearty "Please Come Back" chant from the crowd and a standing O when they were done
Those are my boys!
I have heard that they were told in the back that they "hit a home-run"
For some strange reason ROH fans have never really liked Steen which is just weird. Nice that he got a chance to show how good he is. I heard he got the "Mr. Wrestling" chant from the Philly crowd.
(Steen calling himself Mr. Wrestling sounds really arrogant and God knows Steen is arrogant, but the title was given to him by the fans in Quebec.)
Originally posted by Jericholic53Both shows sound pretty awesome. How long does it usually take before ROH gets them out on DVD? *Are* these coming out on DVD? Or are they not considered big enough shows?
Every ROH show is released on DVD. Of late, they seem to have streamlined the process so that DVDs of a show are released about six to eight weeks after the event takes place. For example, "Final Battle 2006" (which took place on December 23rd) was released last week.
This is my favorite wrestling thread on here in a long time. Basically, if you were over elsewhere, don't count on it meaning shit in WWE. Jericho, RVD, DDP... But then again, there's Hogan, Nash, and Steiner.