you hear it 1st.... unless somebody got home before me.
i just got back from ROH in Fairfield. great great show, and a stacked card, and overall an exciting expirence for my 1st time seeing ROH in any form.
the main event was Low Ki vs Dan Maff in a grudge match. about five minutes in, after absorbing some stiff punishment from Maff, Ki runs the ropes, springboards off of the middle rope and enzugiri's Maff right in the head. Maff falls to the ground, Low Ki goes for the pin, 1, 2, and Maff doesn't kick out. The ref gets the "oh shit i fucked up look on his face" and then realizes that Maff is out cold. Maff makes a try or two to get up, but he is totally out of it.
within seconds, chris daniels, fienstein, refs and others rush out to check on Maff. the ring announcer abruptly calls Low Ki the winner, and asks us to all leave the gym immeadiately and in an orderly fashion.
a somewhat scary scene to say the least; and the strangest part was was that Low Ki was circling around the ring looking like he was gonna kill somebody after the kick happened, and everybody was out there.
also, in the Homicide/Corino match, (a bloody affair) it seemed as if Corino was also hurt legit after an stf by Homicide. it took about 10 or so minutes for Corino to get up and leave the ring, and his people along with refs were all hovering over him.
apparently they were taping it, so if one is interested, the entire card was a great show, and beyond the 2 incidents is well worth the buy.
the match was basically maff pounding away at Low Ki, and Low Ki coming back with small flurries of offense (couple of ground kicks, power drive elbow)
Maff was working stiff with the chops, and some blows to the shoulder of Low Ki (which was taped up), but it didn't seem intentional..... although i may be saying that because i just sat through 4 plus hours of guys laying in chops, dropping each other on their heads, and killing themselves.
do these guys work together often? because if they didn't, then it very well may have been Low Ki purposely stiffing him. maff was waiting for Low Ki to brace himself before hitting, i should note, so there wasn't a cheap shot involved.
the weirdest part was the fact that after everybody was in the ring checking on maff, Low Ki was just circling the ring looking pissed; it could have been a "damn, i can't believe i did that" or it could have been him being legit pissed at maff's offense. you would figure that he would have gone in and checked on him.
like i said, what maff was doing seemed no different than the rest of the guys on that card were doing; but maybe Low Ki took umbrage to Maff's shots.
If it's a shoot, perhaps Maff was supposed to duck and forgot. That would make sense why Low Ki would be pissed afterwards.
This happened to Raven in a match against D'Lo in Canada. They planned out a spot where they'd trade cane shots and blocks but D'Lo forgot one sequence and thought Raven was supposed to duck so he swung full force and Raven ended up with a concussion.
I'd assume it's not a work since it was the Main Event and they emptied the building because if they did that as a "worked shoot", I don't think people will be too happy when they see the tape where it'll be clear either way.
the only reason as to why i think it was real is that after 4 plus hours, i sensed the pattern in the booking: wrestler 1 does a serious, damaging move, wrestler 2 takes it, cover, 1,2, kick out, transition to the next part.
plus, the announcer mentioned a 60 minute time limit, and the match went about 6 minutes at best. that, and i had a clear view of the pinfall, and the ref, (i was 3rd row, and the situation happened at my closest viewpoint of the ring) the face he gave as his arm went down for the 3 count (he made sure to do that "stop short of actually counting 3" deal) was one of "shit, he should have lifted his shoulder at the last second" he then realized within seconds that the guy was out cold.
I can't say I'm surprised to hear this. I seem to recall Low Ki having a rep for working stiff (more specifically, didn't he kick Elix Skipper in the throat in NWA:TNA?), and that's a risk you're always taking when you work like that...
But as far as him storming around outside the ring, I wouldn't necessarily put a lot of stock in him being pissed or whatever... he could just have been worked up, all amped and in character and stuff. I knew a few singers for hardcore thrash bands who had to walk around the block a few times to cool down after a show, just from being so intense for a prolonged period. He might do that after EVERY match, just in the backstage area where it doesn't get noticed.
Hopefully the dude's okay.
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Well, despite what the Dudleys may think, it's still considered breaking the greatest rule in wrestling by coming out of character in front of fans, even if a guy is legit hurt.
Who knows, maybe he did it just to draw the attention of the fans away a little. It worked for you for a little bit at least, so now you're thinking about him rather than whether the other guy is dead or not.
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Low Ki and Maff are part of the same New York 'clique', and I do believe trained together under Homocide, and have worked against each other many times on indies. Maff is also twice Low Ki's size and is stiff as hell himself (his first ROH gimmick was being part of the 'Stiffest Tag Team in the World') so it's not like Low Ki was just punking out some defenseless, innocent, clueless putz out there.
I didn't see the match so I can't comment on exactly what happened of course, but if this is real (and remember ROH has tried to fool people), I'd call it simply an accident more than "OH MY GOD LOW KI IS TOO STIFF!!!"
There're two ways they can go with the whole Taker/Maven elimination controversy. One, they can just go ahead and say that Taker tossing Maven out after he was already eliminated counts as an elimination.