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The W - Pro Wrestling - ROH Death Before Dishonor IX (09/17/2011)
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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.28
Ordered this yesterday. Overall, a bit of a step down from their last iPPV, but still a very fun show that offers much better value than a WWE show.

Q&D results:
- Tomasso Ciampa & Rhino beat Jay Lethal & Homicide by pin after Ciampa hit Homicide with his powerbomb-onto-his-own-knees move
- Shelton Benjamin beat "The Prodigy" Mike Bennett by pin after a Paydirt
- The Young Bucks won an elimination match over The Bravado Brothers and Future Shock
- El Generico and Jimmy Jacobs went to a no-contest when Kevin Steen ran in, laeding to a giant schmozz with security, other wrestlers, Cary Silkin nearly getting a package piledriver, and a spitting-mad Jim Cornette throwing wild punches
- Intermission!
- Charlie Haas beat Michael Elgin via pin with a lariat
- Eddie Edwards beat Roderick Strong in the Ringmaster Challenge 2/3 falls match. Strong won the first fall (pins only) and Edwards won the second (submissions only), and the third was a 15-minute ironman match. Strong won the first fall about 14 minutes in with a backslide (and an assist from Truth Martini), but Martini's interference backfired and Edwards got a pin to tie it up to end the match. Cornette came out to restart the match under sudden death rules, and Edwards won with some cradle bomb thing. I don't know what any of these moves are called.
- The All-Night Express (Kenny King & Rhett Titus) won a Ladder War (basically a ladder match where there will be blood) over The Briscoes to win a tag title shot.

This was paced very traditionally. The early matches were kinda short and didn't overwhelm the crowd (though they were good), and the really crazy stuff was saved for last.

There was a bit of an issue with anticlimactic finishes - there were a couple of times where it just didn't feel like matches should be ending when they did.

Not sure I'm convinced that guys like Elgin and Bennett and Ciampa are really the future of ROH. They're fine and all, they just don't blow me away.

The Edwards/Strong match was really good - best of the night - and the ladder match had all kinds of blood if you like that sort of thing.
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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.77
Is there anyone in the current class that feel like Joe and Punk did back in 2004?
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.10

I haven't watched a Ring of Honor show before (although I should), so I'd like to ask a question, and it isn't intended as a sign of disrespect.

Is it normal for a PPV to have no title matches?



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#4 Posted on
    Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
    Is there anyone in the current class that feel like Joe and Punk did back in 2004?


None that I can see.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.38
    Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
    Is there anyone in the current class that feel like Joe and Punk did back in 2004?


Mike Bennett and 2004 Samoa Joe both have a vaguely sandalwood feel.
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.28
    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    Is it normal for a PPV to have no title matches?
This is only the second iPPV I've ordered, so I don't really know. The tag champs (Haas and Benjamin) and the TV champ (Jay Lethal) were in action, just not in title matches. And the ROH World Champion (Davey Richards) was said to be on tour with NJPW.

    Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
    Is there anyone in the current class that feel like Joe and Punk did back in 2004?
Mayyyyyyybe Davey Richards?

Bryan Alvarez called this a lame-duck PPV because the Sinclair ROH TV show is starting this coming weekend, so they couldn't do anything that would mess with those tapings.

In that sense, this PPV kinda reminded me of TNN-era ECW, where the shows are good, but a lot of the big stars have moved on. Also, there's not a ton of storyline stuff happening (this is not always a bad thing) because they're waiting on their next big break.
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.81
This was my second time seeing ROH (the first being Best in the World 2011 back in July), so I didn't really know too much about anyone involved but I was pleasantly surprised.

The Ladder War got a bit too much for me, but I admit it was very excited - I really hope that they don't do another one though because, man, I thought that someone was going to get nearly killed at several points in the match. It could be just because I'm squeamish but seeing one of them laying on the mat with literally a pool of blood under his head was a bit too much. I'm hoping that those kind of matches are reserved for special occasions and not the norm, though.

I thought that Eddie Edwards vs Roderick Strong was an amazing match, though - they both put on a phenomenal effort. Definitely the match of the night for me (again with the caveat that the Ladder War just wasn't my thing).

The commentary cut out for a bit during it, however, which (according to another site) was due to something involving the power cord but it didn't hurt the quality of the match.

I also want to know where the Young Bucks that showed up on Saturday were during their time in TNA. I never really cared for them much but that tag team match was pretty decent - still spot filled, yes - but all three teams worked well together and you could tell they were having fun.

    Originally posted by KJames199
    In that sense, this PPV kinda reminded me of TNN-era ECW, where the shows are good, but a lot of the big stars have moved on. Also, there's not a ton of storyline stuff happening (this is not always a bad thing) because they're waiting on their next big break.


I still think that the Kevin Steen stuff is really good - granted I only saw this and the angle from the last iPPV but I was pretty impressed with how good he is at just being, essentially, a jerk.

(edited by wannaberockstar on 19.9.11 1747)
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.77
    Originally posted by wannaberockstar

    I also want to know where the Young Bucks that showed up on Saturday were during their time in TNA. I never really cared for them much but that tag team match was pretty decent - still spot filled, yes - but all three teams worked well together and you could tell they were having fun.

    (edited by wannaberockstar on 19.9.11 1747)


They had some great matches with the Gunns, but nobody will blame you for not wading through the crap to find them.
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.82
I don't get to watch many of the shows, but I do follow ROH a bit.

Nobody is the complete package like Joe and Punk were back then.
But guys like Davey Richards or Edwards are like Danielson or AJ Styles anyways.
Totally over on their wrestling and the matches can easily carry a show. though Strong looks boring as drying paint, he's good in the ring imo. Generico, Lethal etc are solid.

The newer guys, I don't know.
Ciampa could be one of those guys that surprise you at some point. Elgin *shrug*

IMO Probably their best 'youth' guys are the All Night Express.
THey have a gimmick, they can wrestle, and the crowd cares about them.

Oh and Steen. Cannot forget that sonnofabitch.

You have to assume this iPPV was more of a placeholder due to the Sinclair shows starting next week.

As for title matches, most of the time there's some title defenses yes. But I think an indie federation like ROH or Dragongate can get away with not having belts defended due to the focus on the in-ring product. Most of the time in ROH the guys don't really have feuds for the belts. It feels almost everyone can get a shot at some point.





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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.81
    Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
      Originally posted by wannaberockstar

      I also want to know where the Young Bucks that showed up on Saturday were during their time in TNA. I never really cared for them much but that tag team match was pretty decent - still spot filled, yes - but all three teams worked well together and you could tell they were having fun.

      (edited by wannaberockstar on 19.9.11 1747)


    They had some great matches with the Gunns, but nobody will blame you for not wading through the crap to find them.


Sadly I forgot about that and I really only watch TNA now for an appearance from MCMG. :\
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