I had nothing better to do on Sunday afternoon, so I ordered this. I almost never watched ROH when I had/they were on HDNet, but why not pay for something that I didn't bother with for free?
I'd never watched one of their iPPVs before, but the card looked good (as far as I could tell) - if nothing else, there were a bunch of recognizable names on this show. $15 for a PPV is reasonable, and the stream quality was quite good throughout. At one point it cut out and I had to refresh the page, but that was the only glitch in three and a half hours. I watched it on my laptop and not the TV - I think that the picture would look pretty bad blown up to TV size, but it was fine on the computer.
Quick results: - Tommaso Ciampa d. Colt Cabana (powerbomb onto Ciampa's own knees) - Jay Lethal d. Mike Bennett (Savage elbow) - Homicide d. Rhino (sunset flip) (seriously) - Michael Elgin d. Steve Corino (spinning powerbomb) - El Generico d. Christopher Daniels to win the TV title (top rope brainbuster onto the turnbuckle) - Wrestling's Greatest Tag Team retain the tag titles over the Briscoes, the All-Night Express, and The Kings of Wrestling in a four-way - Davey Richards wins the ROH title from Eddie Edwards via kick to the face
This show was pretty great from top to bottom, and was booked like an old-school wrestling show. The four opening matches were all good, but none of them outshined the three title matches. Edwards/Richards - I'd never seen either guy before - had either the best or second-best match I've seen all year (the other would be HHH/Undertaker at Mania) and the tag title match was awesome. The Generico brainbuster on Daniels was crazy. All great stuff.
Being largely unfamiliar with anyone who doesn't have WWE or TNA history, I didn't know all the backstories, or the deal with the return of Kevin Steen in the Corino match. This didn't take away from the show, though. Tons of good wrestling and they did a pretty solid job of explaining everything.
In total, easily a better value-for-dollar show than anything WWE has put out all year.
Totally agree with your assessment that the undercard (despite having some talented guys) was set up as a warm-up for the main events.
Kevin Steen's return and attack on Corino was awesome. Steen wanting to apologize (even changing his name on twitter to show he has changed) and then destroying Corino was beautiful. The guy is so good at being an asshole.
I read that this ends Daniels' latest ROH run and that's why Generico won, it was a good match. (It was also Homicide's last match apparently)
Rhino vs Homicide was a good brawl, showing that Rhino can still go.
The 4-way tag match was solid (as to be expected) but wasn't as thrilling as I had hoped. And while I like the Kings of Wrestling, I do think they have the lamest pose in wrestling, where they lock arms. I dunno...but it just strikes me as ridiculous.
Edwards vs Richards. Wow. I'm a fan of both guys, with Richards being in my top5 of current favorite wrestlers. Both guys gave it their all and it went from technical to brawl to kicking contests to technical to ...well you get the idea. Obviously this type of match was to be expected but they still managed with the ending coming sort of sudden.
With the set-up (good friends facing off, this being Richards' final shot ever at the title) it was inevitable that Davey would win, but it made both guys look great. Excellent match (my moty so far I think)
Was there live. I'm curious as to how the crowd reactions came off on the iPPV, as it seemed like people burned out fast after Steen's first appearance, and only started getting excited for big moves/moments and entrances rather than sustaining it for entire matches. Case in point: the House of Truth beat down of Corino and Jimmy. We very definitely were supposed to be chanting We Want Steen, and everyone was sitting on their hands waiting for him to come back in. Anyways, here's some notes:
-We had front row of the third highest balcony. Basically a bird's eye view of the ring, and we could see over the entrance and behind the curtains. It was dark back there but you could still make people out, and we def caught a glimpse of Lethal and Bennett going over their match. Pretty cool. Excellent seats. Room was REALLY full, only a couple empty seats in each section, and most of the giant balcony for the general admission seating was full up.
-When they were doing the introductions for the pre-show video packages, there were "We Can't See" chants whenever they said they were going to the package.
-Cole/O'reilly vs Young Bucks was the dvd only dark match, and it was crazy ill. As most expected, got a dq finish to protect the TNA guys, as the Bravados attacked Cole and O'Reilly when they had simultaneous guillotine chokes on the Bucks, then both teams hit their finishers on the Bravados. Young Bucks looked really great in this, way better than in any TNA match of theirs I've seen.
-I forget what match it was in, but Nana got hit with a streamer roll and bumped for it. Fantastic.
-No RD Evans makes me sad.
-Rhino is fucking HUGE, holy crap. You never realize just how big after watching him with WWE size guys for so long, but the dude is WIDE. I had figured he was Michael Elgin shaped, but he's literally two Elgin's wide.
-I dunno how much they showed on the iPPV, but Steen got carried out in the Jesus Christ pose laughing like a maniac and flipping everyone off all the way through the curtains into the lobby and beyond- my friends know one of the ROH trainees, and when we talked to him he said Steen kept it up all the way past the point where there were people or cameras around, screaming that the merch sucked and so on all the way out the door.
-Christoper Daniels is a really fun heel. Faking out fans on high fives, gyrating for girls and then doing the "not for you" finger wag, doing the JJ strut, faking everyone out by acting like he was going for the Arabian press then doing a foot stomp and starting an "I've still got it" chant for himself after... I'm bummed if he's out, his heel turn finally made me like his character.
-That poor camera man that got wiped out by Generico was getting "YOU'RE EXPOSING THE BUSINESS" and "SELL IT" catcalls afterwards. I hate smart fans sometimes. Daniels def made a point of hugging the guy and apologizing profusely under the disguise of selling after the match.
-As mentioned, the 4 way tag match was strangely under whelming. The whole middle portion after the giant trainwreck spot just seemed to drag, but my God, was that an exciting spot. Hero's running moonsault over the top ropes was mind blowing.
-I don't know if you could tell on tv, but the chant when Shelton tagged in to face off with Kenny was "This Is Racist!" Finally, years of reading "black on black" violence jokes in recaps pays off!
-Because of our aforementioned birds eye view seats, we could see the Briscoes picking up chairs and stomping on the seats backstage after their elimination, presumably so there would be some give when they started whacking people with them. And then they unfolded them and sat down to patiently wait for their run in.
-In this weeks Figure Four Weekly, Alvarez wonders just what exactly happens when you throw a loaded elbow pad into the crowd and they find out it isn't actually loaded. Well, the answer is, the elbow pad clears the entire crowd and lands at the feet of one guy, and then our trainee friend has to run up to him and ask for it back.
-ANX made the post match save with the following hilarious weapons: a milk crate, a cardboard coffee cup holder that was in the milk crate, a mop handle, and an 8 ft long metal curtain rod. I mean seriously, it was taller than Claudio.
-That streamer shower for the ring introductions for Eddie/Davey? During the tag match, a guy went around passing out streamers (which was very fortuitous, as we were down to our last roll. Unlike the guys across the way, who had made themselves a wall of streamers at the beginning of the show, and still had a full row left), and before the entrances Bobby Cruise instructed the crowd on when to throw them (which of course led to some wise ass throwing one at him about 5 beats too late for it to be funny). Still a great visual tho.
-Eddie/Davey was incredible. Those guys were clearly drained. And again, awesome thing about our seats was being able to see the entire roster watching backstage, and giving Davey a standing ovation after he got thru the curtain.
I also got this. I really enjoyed the show, but watching this stream and then watching the UFC Facebook stream made for an interesting contrast, as the UFC stream was about a billion times better than the ROH stream. Also, the vaunted post-match angle of Richard/Edwards took for freaking *ever* to actually happen, and I finally bailed on it when there was a UFC fight featuring someone I knew.
Also, they needed to not have three match aftermaths be "person is dead, everyone looks at him with concern". That happened to Homicide, Corino, and Edwards/Richards.
Also, Claudio's no-hands airplane spin was the greating thing I've ever seen.
my bro was watching this, and I have never seen ROH before and I must say... I am not impressed. Maybe it's all the years of watching WWE and WCW that has made me not care about long matches or watching people I don't know and really don't care about. But I was so board during this that I hijacked his X-box and beat Portal 2.
Dont say its not worth it, when you can sleep with no fear, that kind of time is worth any thing.- FFX
Ring Of Honor is awesome if you are a wrestling fan. It's not aimed at nor ever intended to appeal to the broader "WWE Universe" ilk of Sports Entertainment fans. As Val Venis stated in a recent video blog, Eric Bischoff refers to internet fans as "10 %ers", which is the core audience for ROH type promotions. Even on this board we have a wide variety of fans, who embrace different aspects of the entire presentation of Pro Wrestling. I myself am foremost a fan of mat wrestling and fast paced, high flying ring work. This is mostly because my earliest consistent exposure to wrestling was Lucha Libre then the NWA on TBS. Going to WWF and local promotions came a couple years later. High school wrestling and some karate training was what really got me into the matwork. I went to see Wrestlemania 1 on closed circuit at the San Diego Sports Arena and even though back then things were turning in the SE direction, you could tell alot of the workers had legit wrestling backgrounds. Some guys like Mike Rotundo (IRS), Bob Backlund, the Steiners ( a little later) and even the Iron Sheik had it incorporated into their characters. That's why I like ROH, Shimmer, PWG and going to small promotions shows because I like wrestling. Not that I don't watch WWE and still check out TNA (when they use someone I want to watch) but they end up frustrating me more than they entertaining me. But just like any other TV show or Movies, different strokes for different folks. I thought "Arrested Development" was one of they most brilliant comedies ever but "Friends" and "Seinfeld" obviously appealed to a wider audience. The philosophy applies equally to wrestling.
Originally posted by dMpAnd while I like the Kings of Wrestling, I do think they have the lamest pose in wrestling, where they lock arms. I dunno...but it just strikes me as ridiculous.
I think the idea is that it's the linking of the European Uppercut and the Rolling Elbow. Might be a touch cooler if Hero actually did the spin (he actually might have at one point, can't recall for sure).
Originally posted by ScottyflamingoWe don't get many ROH threads, so I'll ride this one. Are there any guys on the current roster than you see being the next Punk or Joe (well, what Joe should be if TNA wasn't retarded)?
I feel that Colt Cabana guy could do well in WW-- oh wait.
To be honest, I see little super-breakout stars in ROH. Claudio Castagnoli & Chris Hero are probably the closest to it. They have the grandour and style of a WWE persona.
Kevin Steen has lots of charisma but it wouldn't work on a bigger stage I fear.
Several other guys would probably do decent in WWE or TNA, but nobody really stands out. They'd probably be more like a role Shelton & Haas had before. Good workers, but not much of a push beyond mid-midcard.
Problem with Colt is that he is a comedy wrestler, and even though he can work serious (the Homicide feud), it is really hard to give him the cred as a legit top guy. Same way I felt about Stevie Richards during the ECW days.
I don't get HDNet, so I had never seen Ring of Honour, aside from clips on Youtube. That being said, I decided to order since everyone was talking about how good it was and, unlike WWE PPV's, I can actually watch them on my Macbook (seriously, WMV in this day and age - but that's a rant for another time!)
Obviously, I wasn't too familiar with anyone aside from the former TNA guys - though, I was familiar with Steve Corino from following various people on Twitter.
I was very impressed with the overall event - the matches had enough time to work but they didn't go too long that I got bored and I loved not having too many backstage segments.
I really liked that there seemed to be a big focus on managers - you don't see that too much in WWE or TNA any more and I always liked that aspect of wrestling. It did feel like an old school kind of event, and I was loving every minute of it.
I watch TNA occasionally, so being able to see Jay Lethal and Christopher Daniels in a match that was given time was a nice treat. I'm sad that I missed out seeing more of Daniels in ROH. I was also impressed by the Rhino / Homicide match - I never really liked that type of hardcore/brawling type but it was nice to see Rhino in a different environment then when I saw him in TNA.
I could have done without the crowd, as I thought they were almost as annoying as the Impactzone, but I guess you can't really do anything about that with a niche promotion like ROH.
Overall, it was a good show - I'll definitely try and catch the tv series this fall, if it's available where I am.
Originally posted by griffIt'll be interesting to see the buy rates on this one; every iPPV ROH produce seems to do a little bit better. Go wrestling!
According to Meltzer, it's 2100, but everywhere else I checked said 1900. Either way, that's a record for ROH iPPV, and the 3rd iPPV in a row with a buy rate that's grown. Considering they didn't have tv for the build, hopefully it's a pretty good sign. And the live attendance was around 2500, so that's another all time best for ROH as well.
I can't speak for everyone, but I think we're just looking to have Vince pick up the book again and take a more active behind the scenes role - just to steady the ship that Steph-Steph and her writers are sinking.