Originally posted by JustinShapiroI feel kind of dumb psychoanalyzing a guy who I know from TV, twitter, and one Colt Cabana podcast but hey. Don't get me started on what's happened to Jericho and his midlife crisis of pomposity.
Yes, likewise, and I agree that he's being himself with the volume turned up (as the saying goes). I think I just find annoyance in, what I see as, a sort of false equivalency based on subjectivity. In other words, a popularity contest.
John Cena is just as disingenuous as C.M. Punk, but Punk's is accepted because he's saying things about which "we" agree.
I dunno. I give up, ha. No matter the outcome/motives, I think you have to applaud WWE, Cena, and Punk for the buzz/interest these last few weeks have generated.
Honestly, as a fan, I really wish they would scrap this part of the angle or not even have the match at all. I mean, that's great, in 'real life' Cena hates The Rock and the fact that he doesn't show up after 'lying' to the fans. The Rock thinks Cena is a jealous hack who will never be him. Great. And if this was a boxing match or MMA, it would be compelling, but it's a WWE match so whatever bad blood they have between each other really means zip. This is going to sell on 2 main things:
1. The return of one of (if not, THE) most popular crossover personality ever and 2. The 2 most polarizing figures ever in the WWE.
Instead, it's a slapfight between 2 rich guys debating how many times one of them should show up on a show.
Never mind the fact that all this is really doing is (possibly) making these guys look bad, let's say that the end goal is to make "Dwayne" look like the bad guy and that The Rock goes along with it (The Hollywood Guy coming home, being above all of this vs. the WWE-for-life guy defending the fans' honour). Well, considering they are running Wreslemania (the show with the most casual fans) in Miami (Rock's hometown) against Cena (who every guy over 18 boos), it's going to take The Rock coming out with Mark Cuban and Jason Terry to get that crowd to turn on him. Remember, the last 'mega match' at WM18 had Hogan run over The Rock in a car and he was clearly cast as the heel and Toronto booed the Rock out of the building and cheered everything Hogan did.
And the Cena argument about what The Rock said about never leaving is so silly. Why, as a fan, should I be offended? I understand what he meant (meaning he'll always rep the WWE and be 'The Rock'). Will it make it any better if he shows up once every 2 months? Is Batista and Jericho 'bad guys' because they decided to leave to do other things (MMA and Rock and Roll)? Shouldn't the WWE be pushing other guys instead of having their guys whining about how many appearances some guy makes? And is there any rational person out there that thinks that Cena wouldn't do the same thing if either The Marine or 12 Rounds was a box office success?
Bringing the reality of the situation just takes the steam out of the show and doesn't necessarily sell 'the match' aspect of it. And it's also, quite frankly, a battle that Cena can't reasonably win. There's no doubt that Cena will win the match (at this point, I can't see The Rock caring about losing a match to someone in a 'fake fight' when this is his last match), so I'm really not sure what's up this guy's ass. He said on twitter that he would rather wrestle 1000 Punks than 1 Rock. Well, have him put his money where his mouth is and go up to Vince and say "You know, I think that Dwayne isn't taking this seriously. (Fill In The Blank) deserves his spot more than him, so if it's all the same, I'd rather not wrestle him." Considering this will be the most famous match he'll ever been in, I won't hold my breath that's happening.
Kevin Kelly: "Mr. Austin, would you like to comment on Wade Keller's Take that endorsing the XFL hurts your anti-authority character?"
Steve Austin: "Oh shit, he actually said that? I thought the boys in the back were ribbing me!"
Kelly: "No, he really said that. Did they tell you the part about you sitting in the stands, looking all skeptical?"
Austin: "AHAHAHAHAHAHA. Yeah... oh man that was too much."
Originally posted by dwatersThe Rock did say, "I'm back to stay". He didn't say, "I'm back but will only be popping in every now and then sporadically".
I knew from the second he said it that it wouldn't be true, and my respect for him dropped that same second because I knew. It was a stupid thing to say (unless it was all planned out to get people into the feud and taking sides like we are here, in which case it's genius) and he deserves all the flack in the world for saying it.
Thinking bout going to Mania, was going to cheer The Great One no doubt, but lately I'm thinking about how I'd look in a bright coloured shirt.
I thought this was a great promo from Rock except reusing the God speaks to Billy Gunn part. He is doing just as much verbal damage to Cena as Punk is.
I'm worried about Cena's response though. When Rock came back he and Cena cut two really good promos in back to back weeks, mostly aimed at humor. The story then was how offended Rock was (mainly at Cena's line about "You say you love these fans but I'm here every week to show it"), and he cut an even better serious, angry promo from his living room or wherever the next week.
Then Cena comes out the week after and blows it with his "Gee, golly, gosh I sure did make the Rock angry. Fiddlesticks!" Paraphrased of course.
And again here, Rock cuts a serious promo, with real emotion and anger and Cena is already coming back on Twitter with junk like "Wow, I really made him mad."
Now, I realize Rock isn't there and Cena can't do anything physical in response. He could at least be serious about his Wrestlemania opponent though. He is doing a terrible job of "bringing them in the building" as Punk would say. If all he is going to do is complain that the Rock isn't there it doesn't sell the match, it doesn't create buzz, it actually lessens it. And if he thinks it is going to get him the majority of the cheers when Rock does come back, he is really far off. Because Rock is right on with the reasons Cena doesn't get cheered.
Or maybe Cena needs to get whichever WWE writer sent the script and teleprompter to Rock for this promo to write a response for him.
Cena looks totally lame ripping off Punk's VIA SATTELITE comment less than 48 hours later.
Still wondering if the Punk/Cena/Rock combo are going to usher in a new attitude era. You got Cena talking about "Whipping your ass" and Vince calling Punk a son of a bitch, not exactly TV PG. Add to that Austin and Rock TOTALLY disregarding that every time they are on a show.
Wow, while the arguing here over who got the better of whom in promos is quite hilarious, my only concern is that they keep giving ammo to fans that gives them the impression that they genuinely don't like each other. As long as Rock shows up every once in awhile to remind everyone about the WM match and they continue to throw barbs at each other through social media, I couldn't care less who has the moral high ground or who had the better rips.
Once the bell rings at WM, there's no more promos and I only want to be given the illusion that these two despise each other and are looking to one-up each other in the ring.
They had most of these clips on the WMX8 DVD. Watching Stacy wandering around in a G mmmmmmmmm! Some of the poses looked to be quite uncomfortable due to the time required for the cast to set. RVD's springs to mind.