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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
That's funny I could have sworn Michigan was in the title picture just last year. I'd hardly call that a joke.

Every title team has that one guy who's just a stud and earns you some wins you wouldn't have gotten. Every title team has close games during their run.

I can remember Bobby Bowden suffering losses he probably shouldn't have many times. Constantly missing out on national titles by losing a game to a rival almost every year. Look at that great run FSU had:

88 11-1, lost opener to Miami 31-0
89 10-2, lost to Southern Miss and Clemson to open the season 0-2
90 10-2, lost to Miami and Auburn
91 11-2, lost to Miami and Florida
92 11-1, lost to Miami
93 12-1, lost to Notre Dame
94 10-1-1, lost to Miami, tied Florida
95 10-2, lost to Virginia and Florida
96 11-1, lost to Florida(title game)
97 11-1, lost to Florida
98 11-2, lost to North Carolina State and Tennessee(title game)
00 12-0, only undefeated season
01 11-2, lost to Miami and OU(title game)


Not to mention what's happened since then. According to you I should be talking about him like he's garbage. He gets beat constantly by his major rivals. He's lost multiple national championship games. He's coached way more years at FSU than Carr has at Michigan and only has one more title, and his team has fallen off far worse than Michigan. He needed Heisman trophy winners to carry both of his national title teams(Ward and Weinke). I've seen countless recruits wasted over the past six years too, but I'm not calling for his head. Unlike you I realize it's not always gonna be roses. You're gonna have struggles, have up and down times. But when you have a proven winner, it's not a bad idea to stick with him. Carr never had from what I recall as bad a season as what FSU did last year. From what I've seen this season it looks like my faith will be paid back in the near future. Hopefully.

I'm not even saying Michigan should have tried to keep Carr. In fact it was time for him to go, clearly. I'm just saying his record isn't nearly as bad as you make it out to be and he shouldn't be treated so poorly on his way out.

You weren't happy with him, fine. Get excited for the new guy and move on. Don't sit here and treat a perfectly decent man and good coach like Carr with such disrespect. It's comes off as petty and pointless.



(edited by wmatistic on 20.11.07 0621)
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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.57
Taking a quick look ahead to 2008, I'd like the opinion of non-Notre Dame fans on whether they will get at least 9 wins in 2008 just based on this schedule:
2008 Notre Dame Schedule

9/6 H. San Diego State
9/13 H. Michigan
9/20 at Michigan State
9/27 H. Purdue
10/4 H. Stanford
10/11 at North Carolina
10/18 Open Date
10/25 at Washington
11/1 H. Pittsburgh
11/8 at Boston College
11/15 at Navy (Baltimore)
11/22 H. Syracuse
11/29 at USC

As a Notre Dame fan, that is as home front-loaded and as on paper weak schedule I have seen for Notre Dame. They win at Michigan State and lose to them at home, so being on the road is actually a positive for them there. They finally have scheduled a relatively weak game prior to Michigan, which is better than this year having home Georgia Tech and at Penn State before Michigan. Without the QB Boston College will be similar to Notre Dame this year next season. This is a schedule where if Notre Dame has any sort of talent left, they should be only a 1-loss team heading to the Coliseum, and if Michigan is a mess next season, possibly unbeaten. 7-5 next season should get Weis gone, a bad season and the whole program might need to get blown up.
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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
I'd say take a slow going approach to the next few years. Look for improvement, not national relevance, next year. If they get to bowl eligible, be satisfied that Weiss has at least figured some things out. Then shoot for nine wins the next year as a goal.

That schedule looks easy for the old Notre Dame. This team ain't the same as it used to be.
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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.56
I don't know, Open Date is looking to have a good team next year.

9/6 H. San Diego State - W
9/13 H. Michigan - L
9/20 at Michigan State - L
9/27 H. Purdue - L
10/4 H. Stanford - W
10/11 at North Carolina - W
10/18 Open Date
10/25 at Washington - W
11/1 H. Pittsburgh - W
11/8 at Boston College - W
11/15 at Navy (Baltimore) - W
11/22 H. Syracuse - W
11/29 at USC - L

8-4, maybe?

I think the Michigan State and Washington games could go either way-it'll still be early in the season, so John L. Dantonio's team won't have gone in the tank yet. North Carolina could be a tough matchup too.





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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.40
    Originally posted by Battlezone
    10/25 at Washington - W

    I think the Michigan State and Washington games could go either way


No way we lose that game if Jake's healthy. Looking at the Huskies' schedule I think they could be 5-2 hosting that game (losing to Oregon and Oklahoma and beating BYU, Arizona, Cal, Stanford, and OSU) or even 6-1 since the Oregon game will be their second with a new QB.



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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.46
    Originally posted by wmatistic
    That's funny I could have sworn Michigan was in the title picture just last year. I'd hardly call that a joke.


Hey, if you truly believe that Michigan hasn't lost any respect, isn't a joke, and they should always be taken seriously on a national level then god bless you. I hope the rest of the country is filled with people like you. But when I look back at that year, you know what I see? A loss to Tressel again. Being embarassed by a beatable USC in the Rose Bowl again.


    Not to mention what's happened since then. According to you I should be talking about him like he's garbage. He gets beat constantly by his major rivals.


He's not one-fer against them.


    He's lost multiple national championship games.


He at least got there "multiple" times. How many national title games has Michigan played again?


    Carr never had from what I recall as bad a season as what FSU did last year.


2005 Wolverines - 7-5
2006 FSU - 7-6


    I'm just saying his record isn't nearly as bad as you make it out to be and he shouldn't be treated so poorly on his way out.


That's fine. I would disagree, though. Michigan/Ohio State, outside of my family and my career, is my life. Period. And when you look at the history of the rivalry, you can see why I am so vehement against Carr. He turned into our John Cooper. Who you'll note was fired for his record against Michigan, and replaced with Tressel. I think that worked out pretty well for the F'eyes. Now we at Michigan have to do the same. And quite frankly, Lloyd Carr did much of nothing while he was here. I know he's a great guy and a great mentor for college students. But he did not do what is expected of a Michigan coach during his tenure. So in my mind, good riddance.



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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.45

Illinois should've beaten Michigan this year, and will next year.

Hart was fine, but obviously not the best back in the conference this year. Mr. Mendenhall has it all over him.



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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.92
    Originally posted by Eddie Famous
    Illinois should've beaten Michigan this year,

Shoulda, woulda, coulda. If I had a nickel for every fan of an opposing team who said their team should've won a game against U-M in the Carr era (but didn't)... I'd have about $1.20 or so.

    Originally posted by Eddie Famous
    and will next year.

That would be a neat trick seeing as how they've beaten U-M a total of three times since I've been alive. And next season's game is in Ann Arbor.

I'll bookmark this thread and we'll see next year.

    Originally posted by Eddie Famous
    Hart was fine, but obviously not the best back in the conference this year. Mr. Mendenhall has it all over him.

I would have to agree here. Mendenhall certainly was a huge part of their success this year.

(edited by Reverend J Shaft on 21.11.07 0815)
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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.35
Agh and you were doing so good in rebutting a hopeful Illinois fan's nonsense. Here's where I completely disagree. Mike Hart was not only the best back in the conference, he was second only to Darren McFadden in the nation. When I speak of potential Heisman candidates ruined thanks to Carr's coaching, Mike Hart is one of them. And he nearly broke out from the umbrella of Carr anyway. Only the most unlucky of ankle injuries stopped him.

When you look at Mike Hart, that's what you see: heart. Passion. His will to carry the rock for Michigan overcame any size issues. This man was a beast on the field. Mendenhall is nice and stylish, but he doesn't have that kind of overwhelming drive. The will to put an entire game, an entire team on his back. Hart not only shown that quality off the field, he displayed it in games numerous times. He drove this Michigan team and without him, they're barely better than Illinois. Still better and probably always will be, but just barely. He's not just a great running back, he's a leader. And that's why he's the best, second only to an athletically versatile freak down in Arkansas.

(edited by BoromirMark on 21.11.07 1054)


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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
    Originally posted by BoromirMark
    Agh and you were doing so good in rebutting a hopeful Illinois fan's nonsense. Here's where I completely disagree. Mike Hart was not only the best back in the conference, he was second only to Darren McFadden in the nation. When I speak of potential Heisman candidates ruined thanks to Carr's coaching, Mike Hart is one of them. And he nearly broke out from the umbrella of Carr anyway. Only the most unlucky of ankle injuries stopped him.

    When you look at Mike Hart, that's what you see: heart. Passion. His will to carry the rock for Michigan overcame any size issues. This man was a beast on the field. Mendenhall is nice and stylish, but he doesn't have that kind of overwhelming drive. The will to put an entire game, an entire team on his back. Hart not only shown that quality off the field, he displayed it in games numerous times. He drove this Michigan team and without him, they're barely better than Illinois. Still better and probably always will be, but just barely. He's not just a great running back, he's a leader. And that's why he's the best, second only to an athletically versatile freak down in Arkansas.

    (edited by BoromirMark on 21.11.07 1054)


Sometimes dude you are such a homer. Mendenhall's a better RB. Period.
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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.20
    Originally posted by wmatistic
      Originally posted by BoromirMark
      Agh and you were doing so good in rebutting a hopeful Illinois fan's nonsense. Here's where I completely disagree. Mike Hart was not only the best back in the conference, he was second only to Darren McFadden in the nation. When I speak of potential Heisman candidates ruined thanks to Carr's coaching, Mike Hart is one of them. And he nearly broke out from the umbrella of Carr anyway. Only the most unlucky of ankle injuries stopped him.

      When you look at Mike Hart, that's what you see: heart. Passion. His will to carry the rock for Michigan overcame any size issues. This man was a beast on the field. Mendenhall is nice and stylish, but he doesn't have that kind of overwhelming drive. The will to put an entire game, an entire team on his back. Hart not only shown that quality off the field, he displayed it in games numerous times. He drove this Michigan team and without him, they're barely better than Illinois. Still better and probably always will be, but just barely. He's not just a great running back, he's a leader. And that's why he's the best, second only to an athletically versatile freak down in Arkansas.

      (edited by BoromirMark on 21.11.07 1054)


    Sometimes dude you are such a homer. Mendenhall's a better RB. Period.

No way - PJ Hill is better

[I can't even type that with a straight face]

Cast this vote for Mendenhall.
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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.78
    Originally posted by Reverend J Shaft
    And next season's game is in Ann Arbor.


So what? Three of Michigan's four losses were at home this year.





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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
It's a little late, but here's my top 25:




Rnk Pre Team Record Rating Conf (Top three ranked teams from a conference are noted)
1 1 LSU 10-1 1310.53868 ***SEC #1 (West)
2 3 Ohio State 11-1 1307.43385 ***Big Ten champ
3 2 Kansas 11-0 1301.52348 ***Big 12 #1 (North)
4 8 Georgia 9-2 1296.34195 SEC #2 (East)
5 7 Missouri 10-1 1294.53673 Big 12 #2 (North)

6 10 West Virginia 9-1 1293.87135 ***Big East #1
7 4 Arizona State 9-1 1287.95454 ***PAC 10 #1
8 12 Florida 8-3 1280.58047 SEC #3 (East)
9 14 Virginia Tech 9-2 1276.10282 ***ACC #1 (Coastal)
10 9 Virginia 9-2 1275.17226 ACC #2 (Coastal)

11 11 Texas 9-2 1273.16704 Big 12 #3 (South)
12 22 Boston College 9-2 1272.39167 ACC #3 (Atlantic champ)
13 13 USC 8-2 1270.03742 PAC 10 #2
14 20 Tennessee 8-3 1269.93658
15 6 Oklahoma 9-2 1269.31635

16 5 Oregon 8-2 1269.07374 PAC 10 #3
17 16 UConn 9-2 1267.47232 Big East #2
18 21 Illinois 9-3 1267.17338 Big Ten #2
19 18 Boise State 10-1 1263.34125 ***WAC #1
20 23 Hawaii 10-0 1262.70550 WAC #2

21 24 Wisconsin 9-3 1258.02805 Big Ten #3
22 15 Clemson 8-3 1254.21179
23 30 BYU 8-2 1253.94203 ***MWC #1
24 29 Utah 8-3 1253.31504 MWC #2
25 28 South Florida 8-3 1251.59970 Big East #3


Click here for the full 120 team rankings.




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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.92
    Originally posted by Nuclear Winter
      Originally posted by Reverend J Shaft
      And next season's game is in Ann Arbor.


    So what? Three of Michigan's four losses were at home this year.




I know! Imagine how bad those would've been if we played them on the road! :)

(edited by Reverend J Shaft on 26.11.07 0831)
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