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#61 Posted on
So when/if Randy is inducted into the WWE HoF, who introduces him? Steamboat?





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#62 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.89


Seriously.

That is a terrible article.

Filled with nothing but speculation.

Written by someone who has no idea what a paragraph is.



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#63 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.01
    Originally posted by Oliver
    I always wondered why he wasn't used more often in TNA - he looked GOOD during his two month stint there.


Supposedly he was pure mental and wouldn't take a heavy jacket off the entire time.

    Originally posted by Kevintripod
    So when/if Randy is inducted into the WWE HoF, who introduces him? Steamboat?


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Seriously, putting him in the Hall of Fame would be a near-empty gesture and one of the most cynical acts of Vince's life. (Although Vince has always enjoyed the deathbed absolution with his enemies, like Bret when he had his stroke and Billy Graham when he needed a liver transplant, but I don't know if Savage would've qualified based on whatever happened.) But I hope they do it because it would be memorable TV and nice for his fans and friends and wrestlers who looked up to him and such.

(edited by JustinShapiro on 22.5.11 1220)
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#64 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.73
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Seriously, putting him in the Hall of Fame would be a near-empty gesture and one of the most cynical acts of Vince's life. (Although Vince has always enjoyed the deathbed absolution with his enemies, like Bret when he had his stroke and Billy Graham when he needed a liver transplant, but I don't know if Savage would've qualified based on whatever happened.) But I hope they do it because it would be memorable TV and nice for his fans and friends and wrestlers who looked up to him and such.

It's also a fairly necessary addition for credibility's sake, which the HOF already has little or none of, what with your Drew Careys and such. Bruno and Macho are the key guys that have to go in, or the HOF is basically useless as anything other than a silly marketing tool (which it undeniably IS, but it doesn't have to just be that).





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#65 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.89
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    just be that).




I am 1000% behind Bruno and Savage taking their rightful place in the Hall of Fame yesterday if not sooner. I also agree the inductions of the likes of Drew Carey are, in a word, retarded when legends like Bruno and Savage are omitted for political reasons.

Still, this attitude does quite a disservice to the impressive listing of legends who are rightfully already in the Hall of Fame. Guys like Hulk Hogan, Andre the Giant, Ric Flair, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Dusty Rhodes, Ted DiBiase. So all those people and the dozens more I haven't listed lend the HOF no credibility? Only when Bruno and Savage are admitted does the Hall of Fame have credibility at long last? I don't follow this reasoning.



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#66 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.73

The guys you've listed certainly do give it credibility, but there are also loads of undeserving wrestlers in there as well, like Volkoff, Big John Studd, Tony Atlas, Iron Shiek, the Blackjacks, Koko, Johnny Rodz, Wendi Richter, Sunny etc. The best of this group are borderline, and when it's a HOF the fact that it has guys who deserve to be in, like the ones you named, help it less than having a bunch who don't deserve to be in hurt it. It's like saying they gave a lifetime achievement Oscar to Olivier, Poitier, and Coppola so it's okay if they gave one to Rondo Hatton and the dog that played Toto (equivalent? Drew Carey) too.

And I'd even say I've very much enjoyed the work of many of these guys, but "had a good run" doesn't translate to HOF bound, in my opinion.





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#67 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.90
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad

    The guys you've listed certainly do give it credibility, but there are also loads of undeserving wrestlers in there as well, like Volkoff, Big John Studd, Tony Atlas, Iron Shiek, the Blackjacks, Koko, Johnny Rodz, Wendi Richter, Sunny etc. The best of this group are borderline, and when it's a HOF the fact that it has guys who deserve to be in, like the ones you named, help it less than having a bunch who don't deserve to be in hurt it. It's like saying they gave a lifetime achievement Oscar to Olivier, Poitier, and Coppola so it's okay if they gave one to Rondo Hatton and the dog that played Toto (equivalent? Drew Carey) too.

    And I'd even say I've very much enjoyed the work of many of these guys, but "had a good run" doesn't translate to HOF bound, in my opinion.




Almost every HOF has some borderline players in it including the new dickhead move of almost no one gets in now MLB one. I fucking hate the baseball HOF. I don't know if I would consider Wendi, Atlas or Sheik as borderline, either. Koko, yeah, but the others I am not so sure. If he goes into the HOF this year, it will be an empty gesture and a little exploitative. Then again, Eddie, so its not beyond this company to do anything like that. Still, he belongs there and it would be nice for his fans even though it will beg the question why not when he was alive and certainly before a lot of guys who did go in before?

(edited by lotjx on 22.5.11 1844)


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#68 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.00
Agree Bruno and Savage need to be in ASAP.

I realize I don't speak for all fans of the old Memphis territory, but this fan thinks Koko B. Ware deserves to be in at least *A* wrestling hall of fame if not necessarily the WWE HOF (although I think he's deserving of that as well). He was a great wrestler and a true fan favorite at a time and in a territory where I doubt African Americans got near as much "respect" as similarly or lesser talented wrestlers who weren't the same color as him.



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#69 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.73
    Originally posted by DrewDewce
    Agree Bruno and Savage need to be in ASAP.

    I realize I don't speak for all fans of the old Memphis territory, but this fan thinks Koko B. Ware deserves to be in at least *A* wrestling hall of fame if not necessarily the WWE HOF (although I think he's deserving of that as well). He was a great wrestler and a true fan favorite at a time and in a territory where I doubt African Americans got near as much "respect" as similarly or lesser talented wrestlers who weren't the same color as him.


Koko was a very good worker, but ultimately WWE HOF inclusion comes down to "Vince likes him/her or doesn't like him/her". We could nitpick on other guys like Shiek and Wendi as lotjz mentioned, but this isn't the thread for it, so I won't comment any further than that.

Back on topic: fun Arsenio appearance with Macho...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQxyD0Q7GtU





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#70 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
Have Lanny induct both Macho and Angelo Poffo. Its genius.



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#71 Posted on
WWE dot com has a bunch of Macho Man clips up right now.
Elizabeth and Macho Man reuniting at WM7 is one of them and awesome stuff. Not a dry eye in the crowd that night and I even got a bit choked up watching that clip after so many years. The heel announcing during it sounds so odd now, like they had no clue that they were a part of wrestling history.
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#72 Posted on
As an animator, one of the things that definitely came to mind when I heard the sad news was this:



I watched this a couple of times now and it makes me smile how Macho Man's amazing character shines right through even when you cant see him, he was just such a powerful persona. As great a run as he got, to me he always deserved more.

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#73 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.43
Sad, sad news! I started watching around WM6 and always loved Macho's work. At my first ever live event in 1992 Macho was the champ and wrestled a young Shawn Michaels. Great memories! R.I.P., Macho King!
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#74 Posted on
I only seem to check in nowadays when somebody dies.

Macho Man was by alltime fav. My Trapper Keeper was covered with pics of his back in the 5th & 6th grade.

Didnt think much about it when i heard the news, but watching all the old footage over the weekend brought back GREAT memories.

RIP

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#75 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
Sport Illustrated has a great article about a young Randy Poffo:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/the_bonus/05/23/macho.man/index.html

It's three pages, so I'm not going to c&p it, check it out. There's also this link to Randy pic of all ages:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1105/randy.savage.rare.photos/content.1.html

Very cool read, indeed.
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#76 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.71


The serene look in the last photo gets me. It shows the distinction between the man and the character.



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#77 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.77
One of my favorite Savage performances:

Savage as Space Ghost's Grandpa (youtube.com)

Skip to 1:20
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#78 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.96
I was a fan of this one.



    Originally posted by WeirdAl.com
    David Rasmussen of Kenyon Mn asks: So how was working with the Machoman Randy Savage like.

    He was great. Actually, he almost bailed out on us at one point - after agreeing to do the show, his manager called up to cancel his appearance, saying that Randy was having second thoughts. I called up Randy personally to see what the problem was. Randy told me that he didn't think it was good for his "Machoman" image to get beaten up by Harvey the Wonder Hamster. I told him as reassuringly as I could that I seriously didn't think his fans would really believe that he got his butt kicked by a hamster. After a bit of cajoling, he agreed once again to be on the show. At the end of the conversation, he asked, dead-serious: "Uh... by the way, it's not a girl hamster, is it?" I said no, Harvey was a manly, manly hamster all the way. Randy came on the show the next week and was a terrific sport.
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    Originally posted by John Orquiola
      Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
      just be that).




    I am 1000% behind Bruno and Savage taking their rightful place in the Hall of Fame yesterday if not sooner. I also agree the inductions of the likes of Drew Carey are, in a word, retarded when legends like Bruno and Savage are omitted for political reasons.

    Still, this attitude does quite a disservice to the impressive listing of legends who are rightfully already in the Hall of Fame. Guys like Hulk Hogan, Andre the Giant, Ric Flair, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Dusty Rhodes, Ted DiBiase. So all those people and the dozens more I haven't listed lend the HOF no credibility? Only when Bruno and Savage are admitted does the Hall of Fame have credibility at long last? I don't follow this reasoning.


On Savage, when I first saw the commercials he did for the WWE Superstars game I figured he was back on good terms with Vince. This made me suprised he wasn't inducted this past time around.

With Bruno I remember him refusing several times in the to be inducted because he doesn't like what the product has become. This I found from early last year on Bleacher Report (which I will echo was others said here, it is a horrible site)...


    Bruno Sammartino and Honky Tonk Man have both rejected the WWE Hall of Fame but for very different reasons. Sammartino has been very critical of the WWE product and really finds no reason to be in the hall of fame when it does not have a building. Honkey Tonk on the other hand has listed a prior engagement with a comic book convention as the reason for his decline.





There was also this on Ring Rap that was published back in March...


    Pro wrestling legend Bruno Sammartino recently caught up with the Creative Loafing publication for an interview. During their chat the topic of him being turning down the WWE Hall of Fame came up. Here is what he had to say on the issue.

    “First of all, when they started all this garbage with the nudity and these girls always having accidents where a bra will fall off or whatever, then the vulgarity and the Kiss My Butt Club, and the profanity that they use and stuff like that, I find all that appalling and I was very, very outspoken. Then the drug use, of course, was the most appalling for me. So what kind of a person would I be to accept that ridiculous Hall of Fame after being as outspoken as I was? I think it would be very hypocritical on my part and I would never accept that because I don’t believe in it.”

    He did however leave the doors open for the possibility

    “I guess one should never say never, but I would have to see an awful lot of change before I would even think of it. A lot more than what I’m seeing now.”






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#80 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.62
I'm tired of Bruno. I know he was historically important, but c'mon. People are tired of Cena. Imagine a 7+ year Cena title run? Yes, the business was categorically different then. The good old days when wrestlers were wholesome performers, ladies kept their clothes on, and the men wore their tights above their navels. If he doesn't want to be on the list of members of a fictional Hall of Fame, that's fine. But he's not the PC police. Everyone knows his position. Just "no comment" and on to the next question.
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