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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.43
Are all you people forgetting that those older Batman movies, particularly Batman Forever and Batman & Robin, were pretty over the top campy (or at least very silly)? I think considering that general tone, Jim Carrey's Riddler was pretty appropriate.

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#22 Posted on
    Originally posted by kentish
    But who am I kidding, they could trot out Clock King and Crazy Quilt and I would still see this opening weekend.


I would kill for a Clock King movie. I think he is a criminally underused character. I can get behind the Riddler, especially if they give him the same treatment as in the Arkham Asylum game. He was such a pompous jerk- it felt great when he got arrested.
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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.49
People poopooing Joseph Gordon Levitt need their heads examined. Check out BRICK and his work with Gregg Araki. He's a phenomenal actor, and much more suited to Nolan's Batman universe than Depp's eccentrisms.
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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.83
    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    People poopooing Joseph Gordon Levitt need their heads examined. Check out BRICK and his work with Gregg Araki. He's a phenomenal actor, and much more suited to Nolan's Batman universe than Depp's eccentrisms.

Everything I have seen him in he has been great, including his hosting gig on SNL. It's now to the point that I don't even remember him being on 3rd Rock, even though he was good on that show. Toast, I even think he would make a good Clock King. ; )

I did think they would cast a bigger name, in order to make up for the lack of big name villian.




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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.88
    Originally posted by StingArmy
    Are all you people forgetting that those older Batman movies, particularly Batman Forever and Batman & Robin, were pretty over the top campy (or at least very silly)? I think considering that general tone, Jim Carrey's Riddler was pretty appropriate.

    - StingArmy


I agree. I beleive Carrey can swing from serious to comedic pretty easy and would do well in this role. I may be in the monority, but I would have no problem with his as The Riddler.



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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.86
Names like Jim Carrey and Johnny Depp - both of whom I think have given amazing performances in the past and both of whom I think would make TERRIBLE choices anyway (especially Depp, who has fallen into the Tim Burton whimsy machine and has played a mugging jackass in every movie he's made* since Pirates of the Carribean, and I think me and him desperately need to spend sometime apart since he raped my eyes in that godawful Alice In Wonderland**), but that's not how Christopher Nolan rolls. The Batman villians so far have been Ken Watanabe, Liam Neeson (SPOILER ALERT!), Cillian Murphy, Heath Ledger and Aaron Eckhart. Great, talented actors - with more than a few Oscars nominations among them - but not really larger than life superstars. (Ditto Christian Bale and Gary Oldman and Maggie Gyllenhaal and even, at the end of the day, Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman.)

Famous Actor playing Famous Actor In A Riddler Costume would be horrible. Joseph Gordon-Levitt is exactly famous enough, plus he's an amazingly talented young actor (see Inception or (500) Days of Summer or Brick and see how long it takes you to forget about Tommy Solomon.) and Nolan clearly likes to recast people he's worked with before. (Michael Caine and Cillian Murphy in Inception, Christian Bale and Michael Caine again in The Prestige.)

Levitt's a great choice and I'll be shocked if it's not him.


*: He was pretty good in Finding Neverland, to be fair, but that's nitpicking.

**: What the fuck happened to Tim Burton too, by the way. He used to be my favorite director - granted I was a teenager at the time - but everything from that era still holds up wonderfully. The Batman movies, Edward Scissorhands, Beetlejuice, Ed Wood, Pee-Wee's Big Adventure, hell, even Mars Attacks had it's charms, but now it's all Hot Topic goth and "dark reimaginings" and squeezing bad performances out of Johnny Depp and Helena Bonham-Carter - who both used to be so good - and Willy Wonka's fucking troubled relationship with his dad and seriously Tim what the fuck?



EDIT: Oh, and Jim Carrey's Riddler was the worst performance ever in a Batman movie. Think about that.

(edited by OlFuzzyBastard on 23.7.10 1103)
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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.83
    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard


    Famous Actor playing Famous Actor In A Riddler Costume would be horrible. Joseph Gordon-Levitt is exactly famous enough, plus he's an amazingly talented young actor (see Inception or (500) Days of Summer or Brick and see how long it takes you to forget about Tommy Solomon.) and Nolan clearly likes to recast people he's worked with before. (Michael Caine and Cillian Murphy in Inception, Christian Bale and Michael Caine again in The Prestige.)

    Levitt's a great choice and I'll be shocked if it's not him.


    EDIT: Oh, and Jim Carrey's Riddler was the worst performance ever in a Batman movie. Think about that.

    (edited by OlFuzzyBastard on 23.7.10 1103)

You make some valid points about JGL as Riddler, and I am fine with him if that's what they choose to do.

However, we will never agree that Jim Carrey's Riddler was the worst performance ever in a Batman movie. Not when half of his screen time was along side Tommy Lee Jones' excruciatingly painful Two Face performance. It was surprising too, because Jones is arguably the most talented actor in those first 4 Batman movies.




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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.68
Arnold outdoes both guys, be real. Carrey was basically just doing Frank Gorshin - not great, but par for the Riddler course.
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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.43
    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
    EDIT: Oh, and Jim Carrey's Riddler was the worst performance ever in a Batman movie. Think about that.

I can live with most of what you said in your post, but this is sheer lunacy. Surely you haven't forgotten Arnold as Mr. Freeze, have you? One of the worst performances in ANY movie. Ever! I'm not in love with Tommy Lee Jones's Two-Face either.

And let's not forget about George Clooney's Batman. I'll watch a five-hour Jim Carrey Riddler movie before I try to stomach Clooney is Batman ever again. "Hi Freeze! I'm Batman." Seriously, George? Seriously?

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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.83
    Originally posted by StingArmy
      Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
      EDIT: Oh, and Jim Carrey's Riddler was the worst performance ever in a Batman movie. Think about that.

    I can live with most of what you said in your post, but this is sheer lunacy. Surely you haven't forgotten Arnold as Mr. Freeze, have you? One of the worst performances in ANY movie. Ever! I'm not in love with Tommy Lee Jones's Two-Face either.

    And let's not forget about George Clooney's Batman. I'll watch a five-hour Jim Carrey Riddler movie before I try to stomach Clooney is Batman ever again. "Hi Freeze! I'm Batman." Seriously, George? Seriously?

    - StingArmy

True, Arnold was horrible, but at least his cold themed one liners made me laugh.

As far as George goes, I think the material is what sank him more than anything. I dare you to find any actor that looks more like Bruce Wayne than 1997 Clooney did. Which proves there is more to being Batman than looking like him.




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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.25
The Riddler should be portrayed similar to how he's been in the last couple years of the comics, as a semi-straight rival to Batman. I like the idea of him as someone who is as smart as Batman, but his ego gets in the way.

Since Batman is a fugitive now, maybe have Riddler come out as a new "hero" who is trying to capture him. Then Batman figures out that he's using that as a scheme to skim Gotham of millions.
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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.35
    Originally posted by kentish
    I dare you to find any actor that looks more like Bruce Wayne than 1997 Clooney did. Which proves there is more to being Batman than looking like him.


I agree with you. Before the reboot, Clooney was my favorite Bruce Wayne, but Keaton was my favorite Batman.



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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.91
I support JGL-as-Riddler 100%...he already played one of my favorite villains of all time, why not another one?

Batman & Robin is just so-bad-it's-good-that-it's-bad. Ah-nuld's cringe-inducing puns are priceless.

    Originally posted by kentish
    I dare you to find any actor that looks more like Bruce Wayne than 1997 Clooney did.


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(edited by Spiraling_Shape on 23.7.10 1210)


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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.86
Schwarzenegger did what he could with that awful script. It wasn't his fault every line was a terrible pun. (I'm in no way defending that movie, I'm just saying that the blame doesn't lie with the cast.)

Jim Carrey playing the Riddler as a shreiking uber-douche was a bit more on him. Your mileage may vary depending your patience for Jim Carrey's comedy. (I have very very little.)
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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.59

One would assume that Arnold could have had the scripted tinkered with, given his stardom at the time.



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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.88
    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
    EDIT: Oh, and Jim Carrey's Riddler was the worst performance ever in a Batman movie. Think about that.

    (edited by OlFuzzyBastard on 23.7.10 1103)


Not by a long shot. Arnold was awful. Clooney was awful. Uma Thurman was awful. Tommy Lee Jones was laughable. Alicia Silverstone was awful. Kim Bassinger was awful. Out of all the villans from the Batman movies (pre Bale), Joker was one, Catwoman was two and Riddler three.



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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.48
Seriously, JGL would be a good choice, anybody that makes a comment about 3rd Rock or GI Joe is basically just saying, "I only watch crappy movies so I don't recognize any of the good actors." 3rd Rock was like 15 years ago, he's not exactly the same guy, people tend to change when they go from 15 to 30 years old. GI Joe was a project he did because he's a fan. Just about everything in between has gotten high praise from most critics.

Tennant is an interesting choice too, I hadn't heard that one. I might like that even more than JGL.

    Originally posted by Wpob
    Out of all the villans from the Batman movies (pre Bale), Joker was one, Catwoman was two and Riddler three.


True, but listing the three best villains from those movies is like compiling a list of the three best players on the Kansas City Royals.



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Say what you want about GI Joe but JGL nailed Mindbender AND Cobra, it wasn't his fault the Cobra mask looked idiotic.

After Brick, I'm on board with him playing anyone.



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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.35
I am not sure who would be a good fit for Riddler (though Depp I think could pull it off), I am going to trust Chris Nolan on whoever it may be.

The first 2 Batmans with Nolan were well thought out and carefully planned. I have to believe a third film (which is normally the worst movie to any movie series) is going to have the same effect with Christoper Nolan at the reigns. Either way, I will be seeing the third installment of Batman Chris Nolan.
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