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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/writers/michael_silver/08/04/silver.openmike/index.html

All I can say is that if this is true, Ricky is an ass...



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*insert obligatory joke about Ricky's love of dope and interest in playing for the Raiders here*

Now then...

The more time that passes, the more it looks like Ricky Williams is experiencing symptoms of bipolar disorder. We already know that he's been on medication for depression, and these two sudden yet drastic indications of his career aspirations remind me a lot of a friend's recent experiences with the condition. Quick decisions, an apparent inability to assess consequences, and irrational behaviour in general.

Note that there's no PhD attached to my name...but I can't help but wonder if there's something more to all this that hasn't yet come out, something more than wanting to smoke up and having a fun weekend in Oakland.



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Hey he'll be closer to age 30 by then, so he may fit in well there.




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You wanted the best, you got... Out of Context Quote of the Week.

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    Originally posted by BigVitoMark
    Note that there's no PhD attached to my name...but I can't help but wonder if there's something more to all this that hasn't yet come out, something more than wanting to smoke up and having a fun weekend in Oakland.


Well, there is in my case, but it doesn't make me one.

Anyway, I totally agree with what you're saying. There's probably about eight billion reasons why he retired, and considering his history, you've GOTTA believe this played a big factor in it.



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If he does come back after this season, he still faces the four game suspension, and if he's gonna spend all year smoking up, he better have a cut-off date and (try to) stay in shape.

Oh yeah, the Fins still own his rights for two more years too...

(edited by Zeruel on 5.8.04 0212)



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    Originally posted by BigVitoMark
    *insert obligatory joke about Ricky's love of dope and interest in playing for the Raiders here*


Damnit I was just fine tuning the jokes about his career going up in smoke to and then he talks about pulling a 180.

On a more serious note he does sound more than a little confused. To here him talk the way he did last week when he retired, and then compare it to this, there just ain't no comparison really. Hopefully his time away will let him sort himself out.

    Originally posted by zeruel
    Oh yeah, the Fins still own his rights for two more years too...


How exactly does that work. I get that had he not retired his contract would have run another two years, but wouldn't the Dolphins have to pay him if he returned and they refused to let him go to the Raiders? That would make him more or less dead weight for the Fins no?

And if they don't need to pay him and yet can still restrict his movement that sounds like a court case just waiting to happen a la Bosman.



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    Originally posted by dMr
    Damnit I was just fine tuning the jokes about his career going up in smoke and then he talks about pulling a 180.
    On a more serious note he does sound more than a little confused.

Pot will do that to you. Or, so I've been told. 8-)
    Originally posted by dMr
    How exactly does that work? I get that had he not retired his contract would have run another two years, but wouldn't the Dolphins have to pay him if he returned and they refused to let him go to the Raiders?
If Williams wanted to come back and play in the NFL while the Dolphins still held his rights, and the Dolphins refused to trade him to the Raiders (or any other team for that matter) then Williams would have to play for the Dolphins, and then the Dolphins would have to pay him (just as if he decided to "un-retire" tomorrow). If Williams refuses to play until he is traded, then the Dolphins don't have to pay him for not playing any more than they have to pay him now for not playing. Hope that helps.

(edited by Downtown Bookie on 5.8.04 1100)

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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.37
    Originally posted by Downtown Bookie
    If Williams refuses to play until he is traded, then the Dolphins don't have to pay him for not playing any more than they have to pay him now for not playing. Hope that helps.


    (edited by Downtown Bookie on 5.8.04 1100)


Ah, so his contracts merely just kinda suspended because of his retirement right? Seems odd, I though it would just be null and void but I guess it makes sense to stop people 'retiring' to get a shot a free agency. I almost wish I'd paid more attention in business law now. Almost.



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    Originally posted by Downtown Bookie
    If Williams wanted to come back and play in the NFL while the Dolphins still held his rights, and the Dolphins refused to trade him to the Raiders (or any other team for that matter) then Williams would have to play for the Dolphins, and then the Dolphins would have to pay him (just as if he decided to "un-retire" tomorrow).

    (edited by Downtown Bookie on 5.8.04 1100)


Actually, since he's filed his retirement papers and a statement declaring himself no longer a part of the NFL's drug testing program, if he unretired, that would count as a fourth positive test, meaning he would be suspended indefinately. I don't have a link on this, but Mortensen reported it last week on Cowherd's show. So, he really can't come back until next year anyway. And if the Raiders would be interested in him, the 'Phins should fleece them.



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I believe the fourth positive test clause only applies if he unretires during this season. Like you, I wish I had a link on that one, but I'm pretty sure that's what I read. If he unretires after the season, he just has the four games. IIRC, the reasoning is that if you retire and miss a season then come back it's possible that the retirement was genuine and the comeback legit. If you retire for a few weeks and then return they assume you were ducking the test and assume you failed it.



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    Originally posted by BigVitoMark
    I believe the fourth positive test clause only applies if he unretires during this season. Like you, I wish I had a link on that one, but I'm pretty sure that's what I read. If he unretires after the season, he just has the four games. IIRC, the reasoning is that if you retire and miss a season then come back it's possible that the retirement was genuine and the comeback legit. If you retire for a few weeks and then return they assume you were ducking the test and assume you failed it.


That's what I meant to say. I guess I wasn't that clear on that.



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