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Since: 25.4.03
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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.39

Sportsline is reporting that Ricky will start serving his suspension next month ...

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/7921239

So my questions are (maybe you Fish fans have a little more scoop):

1.) Is he now coming back because Big Dave is out?
2.) Does he get dealt in the offseason?
3.) And who, besides the Raiders, would take him?



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Well, if the Edgeren James goes to Miami rumors are true, then I am sure Indy would take Williams, and it would be a good fit. He wouldnt be the only weapon on the team and would not have to take such a beating.

But, the Raiders will probably sign him.
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    Well, if the Edgeren James goes to Miami rumors are true, then I am sure Indy would take Williams, and it would be a good fit. He wouldnt be the only weapon on the team and would not have to take such a beating.

    But, the Raiders will probably sign him.


The only way James stays in Indy is if Manning restructures his deal or James takes less than market value. I don't know what Miami's cap situation is for next year but if they can grab James and Brees as FA's, combined with a high draft pick, they should in theory be a playoff team next season. If not then maybe sign either James or Brees and use the pick on a QB or RB?

As for Ricky to the Raiders, yeah I wouldn't be surprised. Perfect place for him.





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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.73
    Originally posted by Mayhem
    3.) And who, besides the Raiders, would take him?


Anyone with cap room and need for a running back.

For better or worse there's plenty coaches out there who'll overlook a multitude of sins in the name of talent, and Ricky's shitloads of talent.

Of course New England would be the most obvious exception, and they seem to do rather well, but the number of coaches who believe THEY can be the guy who finally tames Player X and gets the best out of him is pretty high.

Ricky may even be desperate enough for cash that he could represent something of a bargain if the Fins sue him successfully. Provided he hangs around for more than 6 months and avoids rolling his own cigarettes of course.



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    Originally posted by dMr
    Of course New England would be the most obvious exception, and they seem to do rather well, but the number of coaches who believe THEY can be the guy who finally tames Player X and gets the best out of him is pretty high.


That and the fact that we don't need a running back. Thank you, Corey Dillon!



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On the one hand, I can't believe that anyone in the league would take him back, but on the other hand, I don't know how I could be so nieve about the way pro sports work. It's not like he was criminally charged with anything like so many athletes have been in recent years. Of course, the caveat to that is, from a football standpoint, I would think that walking out on your teammates a week before the season would be much, much worse in some regards.

That being said, I think that he will be back next year, playing for someone, anyone, other than the Dolphins. I have no idea who would wind up with him, though.
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.97
Kerry Collins seems to be doing just fine in the league these days. Hell, he even went to a Super Bowl. No reason Ricky can't come back and find a home somewhere.

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Rather than talking about who might sign him, don't forget that Ricky would still be Dolphins property when he comes back.

He will not come back and play with the Dolphins. A lot of guys - important guys like Zach Thomas at that - made comments towards the start of the season about how he'd let the team down and how they'd be hesitant to have him come back. If they're saying that publicly you can assume true feelings run a bit deeper than that, and every story I've read on this case has confirmed that locker room sentiment remains very much in this vein.

Ricky will be traded to the highest bidder. Whether any teams out there will trade much of value to get a shady guy like this is questionable, but certainly there will be at least one taker willing to part with too many draft picks to take a shot at him.

Another question which I don't see anyone addressing is the issue of whether Ricky would actually come back and play. According to TSN's report on this last night, Ricky has not agreed to anything dealing with playing in the NFL again. On Jim Rome's show today it was discussed that Williams is enrolled in a program and wants to instead become a holistic healer. Laughable as I find that, I don't think his return to the NFL is as simple as signing a couple agreements and sitting out until next year.

As for what this means to the Dolphins, I'm happy as long as they can get something back for him. Next season you take the team on the field today, add Tim Bowens, Larry Chester, Junior Seau, and David Boston (all injured and out for the year), a top five draft pick, whatever they get in exchange for Ricky, and whatever they can add for the cap room his $15 mil salary cleared out. That's nothing to scoff at.



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What I don't understand is how he can be serving a suspension when he's officially retired. Unless they're making sure he's eligible to play on opening day next year.
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.76
The other thing to add to BigVito's comments is that it seems that all this talk about returning is coming from Ricky's agents.

Whenever Ricky talks about it, he talks about not really caring about coming back, but he says his agents do, because they want their cut...

Hey, may be he could become a spokesperson for the Medical use of marijuana???





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    What I don't understand is how he can be serving a suspension when he's officially retired. Unless they're making sure he's eligible to play on opening day next year.


If I understand right, Ricky would only be suspended for a full year if he unretires THIS season. If he just came back next year he'd only have to worry about whatever ban they had in the pipeline for his (still alleged?) failed test earlier in the year.

I guess his agent and the league have just reached a deal whereby he can unretire just now, take a 'suspension' and start afresh next year. The league gets their suspension in, Ricky gets to play again next year. Both parties are happy. Well, maybe not Ricky, but that man really does have bills to pay so he may have little choice.

    Originally posted by haz
    Hey, maybe he could become a spokesperson for the Medical use of marijuana???




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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.00
    Originally posted by BigSteve
    On the one hand, I can't believe that anyone in the league would take him back, but on the other hand, I don't know how I could be so nieve about the way pro sports work. It's not like he was criminally charged with anything like so many athletes have been in recent years. Of course, the caveat to that is, from a football standpoint, I would think that walking out on your teammates a week before the season would be much, much worse in some regards.

    That being said, I think that he will be back next year, playing for someone, anyone, other than the Dolphins. I have no idea who would wind up with him, though.

For me, a crime would be worse. But I think you are right, in the "football community" what he did is probably looked down on more because he left his teammates high and dry right before the season started. He went against "the family"... But I do think memories are short, especially for a man who can run for 100-yards a game at a regular bases. He'll be back soon, I would bet against the odds of him playing in a Dolphins uniform but it wouldn't shock me.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.55

And the saga continues ... is it me or does he look like he's aged in the picture?

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/7953610






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Awesome. He is so off his meds. Pot does not help you when you are Bi-Polar.



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OK OK OK I have a problem with all this talk about the Raiders. Big deal they are the oldest team but they still have a hell of a good team. They may not have a good season this year but hey who cares there's always next year. And if they do acquire Ricky Williams that would be great because Oakland needs a running game.
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    Originally posted by willmysensesfail
    OK OK OK I have a problem with all this talk about the Raiders. Big deal they are the oldest team but they still have a hell of a good team. They may not have a good season this year but hey who cares there's always next year. And if they do acquire Ricky Williams that would be great because Oakland needs a running game.


They're barely 4-8. They picked up two run stopping defensive tackles, and they still can't stop the run. When they run the 3-4 scheme, they want Warren Sapp to play a D-End position. They signed Ray Buchanon and expected him to make a positive contribution to the defense. They're still hoping that Philip Buchanon will stop making bonehead plays. They have two 30+ quarterbacks, one on IR for the second year in a row, a lost season, and they won't play the guy that nearly got them back into the KC MNF game last year. AND, the offensive line still sucks. They made a step in the right direction with Galler though, he is a mountain of a man. Where in all of this is a "hell of a good team"?



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.55
    Originally posted by willmysensesfail
    OK OK OK I have a problem with all this talk about the Raiders. Big deal they are the oldest team but they still have a hell of a good team.


Are we talking about the NFL Raiders that play in Oakland? A "hell of a good team" isn't 4-8.







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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.14
    Originally posted by Whitebacon
      Originally posted by willmysensesfail
      OK OK OK I have a problem with all this talk about the Raiders. Big deal they are the oldest team but they still have a hell of a good team. They may not have a good season this year but hey who cares there's always next year. And if they do acquire Ricky Williams that would be great because Oakland needs a running game.


    They're barely 4-8. They picked up two run stopping defensive tackles, and they still can't stop the run. When they run the 3-4 scheme, they want Warren Sapp to play a D-End position. They signed Ray Buchanon and expected him to make a positive contribution to the defense. They're still hoping that Philip Buchanon will stop making bonehead plays. They have two 30+ quarterbacks, one on IR for the second year in a row, a lost season, and they won't play the guy that nearly got them back into the KC MNF game last year. AND, the offensive line still sucks. They made a step in the right direction with Galler though, he is a mountain of a man. Where in all of this is a "hell of a good team"?


Where is the hell of a good team, a year or two away, where are the Raiders now, Ahead of KC. You know the preseason pick in the AFC West, Superbowl contender Chiefs. The team who has wasted a year with Priest and the line are in their Prime by only bringing in a Coordinator. Remeber it was just two years ago the Raiders had one of the top O-lines in the league. In todays NFL that kind of group doesn't stay dominant that long. By the time KC gets a D they are going to need to revamp than O-line.

As for the Raiders being the oldest team, thats no longer true. Sure Al still loves to try and bring in the Vets, and they are the guys getting all the face time, but when you look around the team there is a serious youth movement ongoing. Porter at 5 years is the oldest receiver. Sims at 30 and Badger at 29 are the only two old players on the Oline, and thats not that old in Oline terms. Ray Buchanon is a placeholder for Schwigert, who is already eating away his playing time. P-Buchanon has settled down the last 5 weeks and is starting to contribute. The D has 9 players under 26 either starting or splitting time.

Collins has finaly learned the Offense after recieving almost no snaps in preseason and has played well the last 3 games. And at 31 is hardly old by QB standards.

The Raiders are a solid RB and FB away on Offense. A pass rushing DE away on D.

The Chiefs need a complete overhaul on D, a whole new WR core, and that Oline has show some signs of breaking down this year.

As for Sunday, if the Raiders can mount some sort of Rushing attack, which they haven't all season without Wheatly. They should win a close one. I still give the Chiefs an edge this year due to the Oline and the exsplosive offense. But they should get used to being at or near the bottom of the division. They have more holes than any other team in the division.
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I don't dispute any of that.

I'm just saying the Raiders are not currently a good team. Not even a decent team. Their placement in the division in regards to my Chiefs has no bearing on the fact that they are a poorly coached, bad, football team this year.

All the Chiefs need on defnse is two more good linebackers, two safeties that can tackle, and a couple of corners that can cover. The D-Line is actually pretty good, but that isn't much consolation when your linebackers can't fill (and tackle) and your safeties can't defend the run(ie: tackle).

I don't buy the Raiders being closer to being a playoff contender than the Chiefs. Too many things happen in the offseason to worry about 2-3 years down the road. All I'm concerned about is this year, and this year, both teams suck.





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Ricky won't take the deal, and his attorney says Williams' NFL career is over.

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