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Brian
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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.33
http://pwinsider.com/​article/​68635/​massive-​heat-​on-​top-​tna-​name-​and-​why-​he-​may-​never-​return-​to-​the-​company.html?​p=1 pretty sad as he's become the Mickley Rourke character in the Wrestler. Time for TNA to fire him. Hopefully the WWE or TNA offers to send him to rehab and he gets the help he needs. He is 63 years old and behaves as if he's 23.

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Fire him? Sounds like he's already fired.

Lame joke aside, this is really, really sad to hear. Sure it's his own fault, but it seems as if he's beyond help these days. It's horrible to see anyone's legacy come crumbling down like this, no matter what the cause.
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.25
Read it and weep, fella


    Originally posted by PWInsider (bleh)
    There have been a number of forces within TNA that have been against having him as a regular since he came into the company, noting that while he carries a high price tag, he hasn't translated into drawing money or ratings for the company
This may be true and it is a valid point, but he aint the only one, brother.


    Flair also landed in court over money lent to him by Highspots.com and at one point, there was an order of arrest out for him if Flair did not pay the agreed settlement by a certain date. That order was issued because Flair had missed several agreed dates for payment of the settlement. The money was eventually paid and the NWA World title belt, which Highspots.com was holding as collateral, was seen displayed at WWE AXXESS this year, potentially pointing to WWE as having paid the debt and acquiring the title for their own archive.

Wait, so Flair owned or had posession of an original(?) NWA world title belt, received a loan from highspots.com in exchange for the belt as collateral, then WWE paid off his loan and received the belt in return? That's wild right there. But why would highspots think Flair cared enough about that belt to repay a loan in the first place? I guess they figured if/when he didnt pay them back, they could always sell the belt? I guess that's what they ended up doing, but that's still kinda weird.

Also, am I the only one surprised that Ric Flair had an original NWA World Title belt all this time? When did he "lose" that belt last, late-80's right? So wouldnt whoever owned the NWA at that time before Turner bought Jim Crocket Promotions also own that belt???



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.81
    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze
    Also, am I the only one surprised that Ric Flair had an original NWA World Title belt all this time? When did he "lose" that belt last, late-80's right? So wouldnt whoever owned the NWA at that time before Turner bought Jim Crocket Promotions also own that belt???


Isn't that the same belt that Flair showed up with during his first WWF run? I might have my stories mixed up though.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.28
    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze
    Wait, so Flair owned or had posession of an original(?) NWA world title belt, received a loan from highspots.com in exchange for the belt as collateral, then WWE paid off his loan and received the belt in return? That's wild right there.


I would suspect it was not WWE itself paying off the loan, but maybe HHH.


    But why would highspots think Flair cared enough about that belt to repay a loan in the first place? I guess they figured if/when he didnt pay them back, they could always sell the belt?


They tried to do exactly that, but ran into problems when it was revealed Ric had similetanous used the same belt as collateral in a different loan at the same time.

This, and so much more, all were spelled out in the Grantland article last year.

Ideally, you'd want Ric Flair to take stock of his life and make some changes. The reality is the last 40 years and multiple wives have not changed him all that much, so you should not expect the requirements of your second tier promotions to have any more of an effect. This is not as depressing as every time they brought in Scott Hall, but TNA knew this baggage travels with Ric Flair and it's ludicrous for them to act shocked and dismayed about it.

I don't think they're really that shocked, just spinning his release before it happens.


    Also, am I the only one surprised that Ric Flair had an original NWA World Title belt all this time? When did he "lose" that belt last, late-80's right? So wouldnt whoever owned the NWA at that time before Turner bought Jim Crocket Promotions also own that belt???


This is the belt he brought with him to WWF; he was still champion in NWA when he left. Back in the day, the NWA champion required the reigning champion to put down a significant deposit on the belt ($10,000 by Ric's time?) to make sure they wouldn't do anything untoward it. The money was never returned to Ric, and so he kept the belt.



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.25
Read it and weep, fella


    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    This is the belt he brought with him to WWF; he was still champion in NWA when he left. Back in the day, the NWA champion required the reigning champion to put down a significant deposit on the belt ($10,000 by Ric's time?) to make sure they wouldn't do anything untoward it. The money was never returned to Ric, and so he kept the belt.
Wait, I thought he eventually returned THAT belt after a $ettlement from WCW halfway during the "real world's champion" angle. WWF had him bring out old tag belts instead and pixelated them so we wouldnt know the difference on TV. Or so I read.

It sounds like the PWI article is referring to the ORIGINAL NWA belt, the smaller one Harley Race held way back when, no?



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.75
WWF wasn't allowed to use the WCW belt on TV but Flair kept the belt.

Ashley Flair has signed with WWE and is going to developmental. Between that and the HOF, it seems pretty clear that Flair is going back to WWE and TNA has finally stopped smiling through gritted teeth about the whole thing and this is them firing back at him over it.
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.33
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
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    Ideally, you'd want Ric Flair to take stock of his life and make some changes. The reality is the last 40 years and multiple wives have not changed him all that much, so you should not expect the requirements of your second tier promotions to have any more of an effect. This is not as depressing as every time they brought in Scott Hall, but TNA knew this baggage travels with Ric Flair and it's ludicrous for them to act shocked and dismayed about it.




Yeah true and It will be funny when the WWE acts surprised when he's out of control when he's under their charge too. Agree about him never changing as he's a grandfather and acts like a frat boy.

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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.28
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    WWF wasn't allowed to use the WCW belt on TV but Flair kept the belt.

    Ashley Flair has signed with WWE and is going to developmental. Between that and the HOF, it seems pretty clear that Flair is going back to WWE and TNA has finally stopped smiling through gritted teeth about the whole thing and this is them firing back at him over it.


Didn't Flair have a super cushy deal that most people were surprised he left with the WWE in the first place.

Flair should have been the next great manager ala Bobby The Brain Heenan. He probably won't be now, which is too bad because it would have been a nice run for the tail end of his career.

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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.75
Alex Shelley is leaving TNA too. Do I have to start a new thread for that
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.44
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Alex Shelley is leaving TNA too. Do I have to start a new thread for that
That really sucks. I bet him sitting home for nearly a year probably lead to his decision to leave. Hey why use Shelley when you can give Garrett Bischoff all this air time! Wonder what happens with Sabin now..

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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.40
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Alex Shelley is leaving TNA too. Do I have to start a new thread for that


Well, hell.

Now I have no reason to watch TNA. Thanks for making it easy on me!

Please, WWE, for the love of everything.. please pick them up, if this news is true.
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.24
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Alex Shelley is leaving TNA too. Do I have to start a new thread for that


Thanks you just broke my wife's heart with that news. They had better sign Sabin too and keep them as a team. This sign teams up then split them apart is just fucking stupid. Did they do that with the Dudley Boys or the Rockers or the Hardy Boys? No. Yes, they did change some tag team names around, but thats about it. Losing MCMG is a giant loss for TNA more so than Flair and I would dare say Hogan or Sting right now.

(edited by lotjx on 22.5.12 0750)


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#14 Posted on
I believe the belt in question was the original "square" NWA belt, not the "big gold" belt. As for how/why Flair still had the original NWA belt, I have no idea



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.33
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Alex Shelley is leaving TNA too. Do I have to start a new thread for that
I'm sad to see him go. He was one of my favorite guys in TNA. But I don't blame him. He was barely used the past year while many less over, less talented and less marketable guys were pushed. Some of that seemed to be them keeping him out until Sabin returned, which was ridiculous since he's still in the upper tier of that company talentwise as a singles act and was far better and more over than guys like Crimson, Garett, Rob Terry, Sorensen, Ion, Kendrick, Mexican America and many others who were pushed during that time, but when Sabin returned, the Guns were only used a couple of weeks in a lower profile position than they probably should have been and then he went right back to being off TV. As a fan, I found the way he was used to be frustrating. I can just imagine how he felt. Given most TNA contracts are pay per appearance deals, there's a chance he wasn't getting paid much during the last year either (even if he was one of the few guys who aren't on PPA deals, I don't expect his downside was too big).

It seemed like someone(s) in management saw little value in him so the bad position he's been in the last year may have had little chance of changing anytime soon. The X Division is pretty non-existent, and the tag division has been used mainly as a tool to get over singles feuds the last 8 or so months so the odds of him getting featured as a part of either division any time soon wasn't good. Him sitting at home as much as he did the past year was something I couldn't figure out. He has easily been one of the most underutilized guys in wrestling the past year.

He is very talented and full of untaped potential. I hope he lands on his feet somewhere of note be it WWE, Japan or various major Indies. There are a crapload of potential matches and feuds out there I’d love to see him in.

I wonder what this means for Sabin and if he'll end up following Shelley when his contract is up.

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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.44
Flair is a fricken waste, I really don't care about him. Shelley leaving blows, but I understand why he's leaving. TNA never used him to his fullest potential, Wish we would have gotten more than one Aries-Shelley match.
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.33
Interesting tweet by Samoa Joe: ‏@SamoaJoe

Interesting developements today, might be headed abroad soon. Hopefully to get into a scrap with a old nemesis. Might he be on the way out too?
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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.40
    Originally posted by Brian
    Interesting tweet by Samoa Joe: ‏@SamoaJoe

    Interesting developements today, might be headed abroad soon. Hopefully to get into a scrap with a old nemesis. Might he be on the way out too?


MCMG, Samoa Joe as the new Radicals? ;)
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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.24
    Originally posted by wannaberockstar
      Originally posted by Brian
      Interesting tweet by Samoa Joe: ‏@SamoaJoe

      Interesting developements today, might be headed abroad soon. Hopefully to get into a scrap with a old nemesis. Might he be on the way out too?


    MCMG, Samoa Joe as the new Radicals? ;)


Add Matt Morgan into the list as the Perry Saturn of the group. He has been released. They had a shot of Morgan in that Revolution video, but how knows if that was an accident or not. It would make sense to add more to the roster to go 3 hours, but what do you do about the bottom feeders or will they be brought in as the bottom feeders. Interesting tweet from Joe, but it could be him fucking with us. Still, interesting, very interesting.



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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.44
    Originally posted by wannaberockstar
      Originally posted by Brian
      Interesting tweet by Samoa Joe: ‏@SamoaJoe

      Interesting developements today, might be headed abroad soon. Hopefully to get into a scrap with a old nemesis. Might he be on the way out too?


    MCMG, Samoa Joe as the new Radicals? ;)
Well he said going abroad so yeah that doesn't point to the WWE. They didn't have any interest in him a year and a half ago when he was a free agent. Oh loljk Morgan was not released his contract was coming up and he wrestled all his dates due for TNA.

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