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#41 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.03
I'm going to assume that the horses disappeared during the 'Mouth of Sauron' scene that was cut.

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#42 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.96
    Originally posted by odessasteps

    My memory could be faulty, but I don't think he's wearing the Mythril by that point. Why he lost it, I don't remember.


The only point where Frodo would've possibly lost the Mythril would be when the Orcs took him to the Black Tower and took everything but his pants. I figure that everything that doesn't make sense will be explained in the Extended Edition, since that's what happened with the first two films.



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#43 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.22
Shelob's stinger may be a wee bit more flexible than the cave troll's pike, meaning it could slip between the kinks of Frodo's vest. OR, it may have just stabbed him in the ass. You don't actually see where it hits him, after all.



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#44 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.51
    Originally posted by Freeway420
      Originally posted by odessasteps

      My memory could be faulty, but I don't think he's wearing the Mythril by that point. Why he lost it, I don't remember.


    The only point where Frodo would've possibly lost the Mythril would be when the Orcs took him to the Black Tower and took everything but his pants. I figure that everything that doesn't make sense will be explained in the Extended Edition, since that's what happened with the first two films.


From the top of my head I don't believe Tolkien explains it in the book either. I could be wrong..
He only loses the mithril shirt when he is in the tower (and they fight over it) so he is wearing it when Shelob stings him..

And no I didn't notice the horses and actually wonder if it will be explained.



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#45 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.46
    Originally posted by dMp
      Originally posted by Freeway420
        Originally posted by odessasteps

        My memory could be faulty, but I don't think he's wearing the Mythril by that point. Why he lost it, I don't remember.


      The only point where Frodo would've possibly lost the Mythril would be when the Orcs took him to the Black Tower and took everything but his pants. I figure that everything that doesn't make sense will be explained in the Extended Edition, since that's what happened with the first two films.


    From the top of my head I don't believe Tolkien explains it in the book either. I could be wrong..
    He only loses the mithril shirt when he is in the tower (and they fight over it) so he is wearing it when Shelob stings him..

    And no I didn't notice the horses and actually wonder if it will be explained.


In the book he is stabbed in the back of the neck...



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#46 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.45
I've not read the books, so could somebody explain to me what this "Scouring of the Shire" scene is all about?

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#47 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.06
    Originally posted by MonteCarl
    I've not read the books, so could somebody explain to me what this "Scouring of the Shire" scene is all about?

    --Monte N


After destroying the ring, the four hobbits return to the Shire (via Bree). In Bree, Butterbur says that they haven't been getting any leaf from the Shire lately (odd, since leaf is the Shire's only export, and because it wasn't that bad of a year).

The hobbits return to the Shire to find that a bunch of men (Dunlanders, I believe) have moved-in, working for "Sharkey" and/or "the Boss". The hobbits assume this is Lotho ("Pimple", Frodo's Sacksville-Baggins cousin), who has since lost control of his men. The men have despoiled the Shire and taken all the best food and leaf for themselves (actually, to "share", like a bunch of communists).

So the four of 'em rouse a bunch of hobbits, lay an ambush, and slay gobs upon gobs of the bandits. Merry and Pippin become famous (so does Sam), but Frodo doesn't really take part in the battle.

The battle over, they all head up to Bag End, to deal with Lotho. However, they find Bag End abandoned, and thereupon Sauroman arrives. Sauroman gives his evil-overlord-spiel aobut how his home (Isengard) was destroyed and he wanted to repay the favor to the hobbits.

The mob wants to kill him, but Frodo persuades them to let Sauroman go. Wormtongue, having suffered greatly under his servitude to Sauroman, slits Sauroman's throat.

Geez, that was more than I thought it would be. Anyways, read to book (I totally didn't do it any justice).



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#48 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.45
Ok. Thanks for the clarification. Sounds interesting, but I can understand why it was left out of the movie. That would've been another 30-45 minutes to the end of the movie and really doesn't have much to do with the main storyline of the movies up to that point.

And I do plan on reading the books now that I've seen the movies to do a compare and contrast.

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#49 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.53
PJ has made mention that he did not film the Scouring of the Shire due to the fact that it has little to do with the main plot.

He also made mention that it seemed more of a, "Oops, forgot to kill off Saurumon, let me add this last part in."

But from what I understand, they did film a sequence where Wormtongue kills Saurumon post razing of Isengard. This should be included in the Special Edition DVD.



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#50 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.04
I never got a chance to make my feelings known (I had avoided this thread for fear of spoilers, and then the holiday break took away my high-speed internet access), so I'll just echo everyone's sentiments and say it was a damn damn fine movie.

However, not everyone shares those sentiments ... The movie critic from my local newspaper had the following headline up a day before the movie opened - Last of `Rings' As Annoying As First - so I knew I just HAD to cut out the article and save it for after I'd seen the movie (again, spoilers) so that I could fume about what he wrote :

A 3-hour, 21-minute commercial for next year's release on DVD of the ``extended edition'' of ``The Lord of the Rings: The
Return of the King'' hits theaters today. It is critic-proof, meaning that regardless of whether critics praise or pan this film, it is
guaranteed to be one of the box-office blockbusters of the year. Those who have already awarded the film numerous Oscars
sight unseen had best skip this review, as your reviewer is in the minority of filmgoers who is glad this bloated and overrated
series has finally drawn to a conclusion.

Suffice to say that if you haven't seen the first two films don't bother trying to pick up the story here. This is the concluding third
of an epic begun in ``The Fellowship of the Ring'' (2001) and ``The Two Towers'' (2002). It is very much of a piece with the
earlier entries, which is not surprising as director Peter Jackson shot the three films back to back in New Zealand.

The action here consists of endless battles against the orcs (the bad guys) by the good guys who are led by Gandalf (Ian
McKellan), Aragorn (Viggo Mortensen), Legolas (Orlando Bloom), and Gimli (John Rhys-Davies). There's numerous other
characters involved, but we get neither characterization nor plot. It's just the guys we're rooting for against really ugly monsters.

The battle scenes are intended to thrill, but they are so driven by special effects and a lack of anything invested in the individuals
fighting that they are merely spectacle. A comparison with the current ``The Last Samurai'' is instructive in showing how to
create a battle sequence that is both exciting and that makes viewers care about the individuals involved.

Meanwhile Frodo (Elijah Wood) and Sam (Sean Astin) continue to make their journey to destroy the evil, magical ring in
Frodo's care, and Gollum -- an animated character partially acted by Andy Serkis -- is either helping them or looking for his
chance to steal the ring. To further confuse matters, Gollum is also known as Smeagol.

In spite of the fact that the film will likely bust box-office records, this reviewer is duty-bound to report that it fails in almost
every aspect. The acting is minimal (Wood looking constipated and Astin whining is the extent of it) and it says something that
the ``performance'' that has attracted the most notice in the series is that of Serkis, who voices and modeled for the animation
of Gollum/Smeagol.

While Jackson deserves credit for keeping the logistics of filming a nine- to 10-hour epic straight, it is a visually ugly film. Much
has been made of his use of New Zealand locations, but as this film demonstrates, much of the time the locations are shown in a
limited palette of blue, gray, white and black. The battle scenes for all their fantastic creatures are so obviously done with
computer animation that it is hard to get caught up in the supposed drama.

As for the writing, it is equally pointless to dissect. By the time you get to the end of the film -- and note, there is no intermission
-- even the biggest of fans may become annoyed that Jackson and company have fashioned no less than five endings, which are
presented one after another. Unfortunately not one of them is the famous conclusion of the novels, where Frodo and company
have to clean up the community they left behind.

``The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King'' will cause the multitude of fans of this series to swoon in delight, and to see
the film many times. Then they will purchase the videos and DVDs. They are welcome to do so. This reviewer is simply glad
that he will never have to view any of these movies ever again.

Author: Daniel M. Kimmel

Edition: ALL
Section: ENTERTAINMENT
Page: C5




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#51 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.53
Yeah, that critic is a tool. Probably why he's a "local" critic.

What I don't get (aside from the blatant idiocy of it all) is on one hand he blasts the movie for not giving the audience anything to care about (character wise) but also says that it is only one part of a larger epic.

So I guess the other 6 hours gave the audience nothing to care about?

Seems like this guy reached into a hat of lame excuses to write is obvious, biased, dislike of a movie.

I think professional movie critics should actually have more qualifications than "having an opinion." Maybe something along the lines of, writing theory, movie producing, directing, acting, visual effects, and maybe work in the Biz for a while.

But then we ould only have like 4 critics.



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#52 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.65
The esteemed Mr. Kimmel does seem to be reaching for stuff to bitch about. Deep down, he's probably one of those super-hardcore fanboys who were calling for Jackson's death after he dared to give the Balrog form and shape and added a troll to the fight in the mines of Moria.



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#53 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.03
In one paragraph, he complained about the abscence of the Scouring of the Shire sequence - in another, he couldn't seem to figure out why Gollum is also called Smeagol. It doesn't seem to be possible that he can't follow a plot point that's been explained three times in the movies by now, and yet he knows all about an unfilmed sequence from the end of the third book. In short - this guy's looking for feedback and controversy, nothing more.

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#54 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.11
The Mouth of Sauron (a character I REALLY need to read the books to understand, as he looks nothing like a mouth) is in the video game.

As for that critic guy, he needs to check out www.mrcranky.com to see how to really write a negative review of a movie:

"Instead of ending his massive retelling of the Tolkien series with a bang, director Peter Jackson has turned "The Return of the King" into the fat, lumbering relative who won't leave when he's supposed to and simply lingers, sweating, on the living room couch."

http://www.mrcranky.com/ movies/lordoftheringsreturnoftheking.html for the rest.



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