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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.57
    Originally posted by Big Bad
    >So, I still think it'll be Rey/Angle/Orton in a three-way at Mania, but what else from the Smackdown side? Taker vs. Henry? Benoit defending against JBL? Boogeyman vs. Booker? MNM vs. Matt and Tatanka? Yeesh....let's hope they get that one out of the way on Smackdown so Matt can get a more high-profile partner for Mania (maybe Lashley?)


Don't know if this really counts as a spoiler but oh well...


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I read on one of the sheets that they may be heading into a Benoit vs Henry feud for the U.S. title. Poor Benoit.


(edited by y4j1981 on 20.2.06 0631)


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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
    Originally posted by chill
    THANK YOU. Please let the crying and whining stop already. Ever heard of long-term booking? Rey is clearly going to win the World Title in 2006 (barring injury), and it will be the culmination of this angle with Orton.


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Rumors are that Rey is moving to Raw in the next draft. HHH wants to work w/ him, plus the company wants to up their ratings for Raw on the Spanish channels. They also want to do Carlito/Rey, thinking they can recreate Eddie/Rey. So, no, I highly doubt Rey is walking out of WM the champ.


    Originally posted by Freeway420
    1. Randy Orton is a good heel. That is to say that he is good at getting the fans to boo him because he's handsome, rich & muscular. Plus he's kind of a dick.

If Randy is such a good heel, then why did they need to resort to the Eddie stuff to get him heat? Randy really isn't over that much, and clearly not over enough to be ME'ing WM (and probably walking out as champ). The Eddie stuff was a desperate measure to get him heat. They could've saved themselves the trouble by not making Randy look like a fool against Taker, and not having him be Booker's errand boy. Personally, I can't stand the guy, so it all works out for me, but the company didn't do themselves any favors if their plan all along was to have Randy ME the big show.



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.24
Was Eddie's family at ringside?



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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.68

As much as I don't see the point in having Tantaka as Matt Hrady's partner, I will give him props. From that time we saw Tantaka on RAW until last night, he got himself into good shape. I applaude him for that. Maybe he should have a talk with Road Warrior Animal.

BUT, I really see no point in them going over MNM, arguably the best tag team WWE has had in a while.
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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.72
    Originally posted by Freeway420
      Originally posted by The Vile1
      That's nice and everything, but that doesn't justify the disgusting way they've used Eddie like this. And what do the people who said Mysterio was going to win have to say?


    The facts (at least, from where I sit):

    1. Randy Orton is a good heel. That is to say that he is good at getting the fans to boo him because he's handsome, rich & muscular. Plus he's kind of a dick.
    2. Randy Orton's entire gimmick has revolved around two things: "Legend Killing" and "Destiny". He's Randy Orton! Third generation superstar! Youngest World Heavyweight Champion in history! Master of the RKO! Legend Killer! He belongs in the main event of WrestleMania, because THAT will cement his legend.
    3. When Orton lost at the Royal Rumble, it only made sense that he'd try to get a hold of Mysterio's title shot by hook or crook. He went for the jugular by bringing up Eddie Guerrero, and that got Mysterio to agree to a match he had no reason to agree to. And then it was Classic Heelishness that got him the victory.

    And NONE of those things detract from a potential Rey Mysterio title shot. Heck, the way things have been handled makes it even more likely that Mysterio'll get into the main event at Mania anyway.


Remember when Booker T was FOR SURE going to win the title from HHH at Wrestlemania because of all the horrible things HHH was saying. Do you remember how that turned out? Speaking of Eddie's ghost, do you remember Eddie vs JBL and all the horrible things JBL was saying? How did that turn out for Eddie?
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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00

    Was Eddie's family at ringside?


Nope. Chavo and Vicki appeared backstage, and no children were on TV.

I've read a live report that says there were empty front row seats, which is either a concidence or a wise change of heart.



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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.00
Did anyone see a mainstream commercial for No Way Out that featured a blonde diva? A non-fan friend asked me who it was on the commercial, and I figured I'd have caught it by now, but now that the PPV's over, I think I missed my chance.

I really didn't think they'd use Jillian Hall on a commercial, but she's the only blonde diva on SD.

(Sorry if this is a little OT, but I didn't think it needed its own thread.)



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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.19
    Originally posted by BigSteve
    ...which is why I said, "Debate about the execution and content of the angle aside". I apologize for not fulfilling my quota of righteous indignation in my last post.

    (edited by BigSteve on 20.2.06 0114)


You can't just put it aside though. It was the basis of this whole entire sad story.

Dedicating the match to Eddie, the promos they had pre and post match, having Vicki Guerrero there, geezus H., what the hell. And then Rey Mysterio loses. What a complete and utter farce.

And it just goes to show, that the Rumble wasn't even the 2nd to last match at the PPV this year, shows how they aren't serious about making Rey a legitimate title contender or as a WM main eventer. Even if he makes it into the triple threat or not.

Rey in fact even has little to do with his winning the Rumble or this feud at all, its all about Eddie. And as sad it is, I feel Eddie's passing is the ONLY reason Rey won the Rumble this year.
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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.69
I'm with the people who are calling this long-term booking.

This will build to Rey eventually beating Orton for the belt.

That'll be the hot feud to get us through the summer.

Again, I'm not turned on by the use of Eddy in this angle, but y'know it's wrestling, heels do these things to drum up business.

I mean, let's look at it this way: In this age of ROH-flippy flippy wrestling and smark crowds chanting 'five star match, five star match,' you have Orton with so much heel heat that I think everyone on this board wants to see him destroyed by Rey. And if they book a match and Rey busts up Orton and pins him clean and wins the belt, each and every one of us will pay to see it.

We're disgusted by this angle, we want to see the babyface beat the hell.

Bad taste? Sure.

But good booking.

And by the way, Orton is the AWESOME. Best heel in the business, in an era where the smart marks don't believe in heels.
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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.57
    Originally posted by flairforthegold13
    I'm with the people who are calling this long-term booking.

    This will build to Rey eventually beating Orton for the belt.

    That'll be the hot feud to get us through the summer.

    Again, I'm not turned on by the use of Eddy in this angle, but y'know it's wrestling, heels do these things to drum up business.

    I mean, let's look at it this way: In this age of ROH-flippy flippy wrestling and smark crowds chanting 'five star match, five star match,' you have Orton with so much heel heat that I think everyone on this board wants to see him destroyed by Rey. And if they book a match and Rey busts up Orton and pins him clean and wins the belt, each and every one of us will pay to see it.

    We're disgusted by this angle, we want to see the babyface beat the hell.

    Bad taste? Sure.

    But good booking.

    And by the way, Orton is the AWESOME. Best heel in the business, in an era where the smart marks don't believe in heels.

No, a lot of us don't. That's the problem. When a storyline succeeds in making me NOT purchase the PPV that is not the impact that they were going for. And it sounds like more than a few people are in agreement with me. They turned me off and made it easy for me to keep my money from going to them. Because I don't want to see Rey get revenge on Orton. I don't want to see Orton at all at this point, and I don't much want to see Rey either. All WWE has done is say "once again, if you bought into anything we put out you are a moron and deserve to have your money taken from you."
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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.97
    Originally posted by flairforthegold13
    ...by the way, Orton is the AWESOME. Best heel in the business, in an era where the smart marks don't believe in heels.


I thought Edge was the best heel in the business?

Sadly, having paid for this show, I think I want my money back. I thought this was the worst PPV in quite a while. The only saving grace was the Undertaker/Angle match, but they've always given good matches against each other.

This PPV just seemed so thrown together at the last minute, that it didn't really do anything for me.

Tatanka, the Cruisers match, JBL/Lashley? Who put this crap together? This is NOT the way you want to use your last PPV before Wrestlemania.

This might be the first Wrestlemania I don't care to see in almost decade. Well, the last one I didn't see was WMIX, so I guess it's even longer, but still, Wrestlemania is NOT selling it's self to me.

About the ONLY thing I can think of would be for them to do an Undertaker/Boogeyman match, but THAT'S not gonna happen this soon.
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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.79
Your indignation at this PPV is undermined by the fact that you think Undertaker/Boogeyman would be a good idea from any perspective. Boogeyman's a comedy crowd-popper. Undertaker's the most respected and long-lived big man in modern pro wrestling history. And that's without taking into account the sheer ugliness of the match that would result.

The show was definitely better than most of the single-brand cards of the past nine months or so. No really bad matches, three really good ones, and the toning-down of the Eddie angle. Orton going over is a big black cloud hanging over things though. I really have no clue as to why the men with the pen think Orton/Angle would be a better draw than Rey/Angle. Here's hoping the proposed three-way goes ahead.



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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.46
    Originally posted by ricflair
    you have Orton with so much heel heat


Orton didn't really have any special heat during the big match with Rey and there was even a brief chant for him. I'd say this is because nobody actually buys into the angle as Randy being the evilest man; it's just a tacky reflection of the company.


    we want to see the babyface beat the heel


Yeah, but the heel in this is Vince, not Randy. I don't know who the babyface is. Not Shawn Michaels. Probably not the woman who accused him of groping of her, but I guess I'd pop if someone did something bad to him.


    Bad taste? Sure. But good booking.


I think good booking would've been building up Orton ahead of time instead of having him lose to Undertaker in Hell in a Cell and need Booker T's help to beat Orlando Jordan.
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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.10
X-E's co-Worst Poster of all time! JKyle.com says:

To everyone who keeps saying "It's long term booking!"

I present:
Exhibit
A) Edge's Money in the Bank
B) Matt Hardy/Chris Jericho/Shelton Benjamin's losing streak
C) Kurt & Greg's Excellent Mosey Over to Titles on SD
D) John Cena's one week heel turn

I can understand you people not thinking it's the worst thing in the world, even your opinions on Orton (which I do not agree with), but seriously
WHAT
THE
FUCK
is causing you to put that kind of faith in these people?



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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.00
In a fantasy world, Orton would be in the main event but would take on John Cena. I think that would be an interesting feud.

Rey-HHH-Angle on the other side of things would be good too.

But the reality is:

HHH-Cena
Rey-Orton-Angle

Is it just me, or is it weird that no faces will chasing the titles? That's always been the most interesting thing to me about the time period.

That is, unless, they flip Cena heel and have a face HHH take him on. There's a very strong possibllity that Kurt will flip soon.

Nah, on second thought, it looks like we're screwed.



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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.78
    Originally posted by TheVile1
    You can't just put it aside though. It was the basis of this whole entire sad story.



Really, you can. It's as easy as saying "It's a good idea to add a heel to the title match at Wrestlemania so that it isn't a matchup of two babyfaces" while following that with "On the other hand, using Eddie Guerrero's name to insert Orton into the match was not the best execution of that idea". Those two ideas aren't mutually exclusive as far as I can tell.

    Originally posted by AngryJohnny
    To everyone who keeps saying "It's long term booking!"

    I present:
    Exhibit
    A) Edge's Money in the Bank
    B) Matt Hardy/Chris Jericho/Shelton Benjamin's losing streak
    C) Kurt & Greg's Excellent Mosey Over to Titles on SD
    D) John Cena's one week heel turn


The Hardy losing streak is punishment for his antics when he was gone from WWE. Jericho's losing streak to Cena was to have him put Cena over before he left the company for the foreseeable future. The Benjamin losing streak was so that they could change his character up and introduce Mama Benjamin.

Angle won the title because Batista got injured, and there were not many viable options on SD! Not like they could have planned for that.

There has been plenty of long-term angles in recent memory (the Batista turn, the Eddie-Rey feud, the Mickie James-Trish Stratus angle to name a few), but the problem is that with four hours of prime time shows per week and 15 pay per views per year, it's really hard to do too much long term booking. I'd like to see WWE exhibit a little more coherency from week to week, but things change too quickly to have everything mapped out a year in advance.



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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.12
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Man, Rey can win the world title in San Diego from the Rock while Dominick gets a pony and it still won't mean that using Eddie to get heel heat wasn't wrong. Ever heard of long-term not-being-despicable? Nevertheless, fans of Rey and taste should be relieved coming out of this since they didn't abuse Vicki and Chavo like they could have, and Bryan Alvarez says that the plans have now changed to include Rey in a threeway.

      (edited by JustinShapiro on 20.2.06 0457)


    OR... it was the plan all along, which makes sense. Is it possible these "journalists" who aren't credible or reliable don't have all the information all the time?

    This wasn't directed at you, so don't take it so personally. Why would you assume that someone who is tired of broken-record whining condones what WWE is doing? If this was the first despicable thing WWE has done, then fine. But it's not.

    Stupid and offensive wrestling angles have gone on for YEARS and has only gotten worse in the last few. If someone is stomping on your foot, what good does it do to comaplain to everyone around you when you could just move your foot instead?

    It's offensive. It's wrong. We all agree. WE GET IT. But it's wrestling, so don't act so surprised. If you don't like it, send a message by not watching. Write a letter. Make a phone call to WWE. Just stick a fork in this already, it's done.



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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.10
X-E's co-Worst Poster of all time! JKyle.com says:

    Originally posted by BigSteve
    The Benjamin losing streak was so that they could change his character up and introduce Mama Benjamin.
Change his character from what, super over face with three wins over HHH into midcard act? Well bravo.

The Hardy streak was BEFORE his injury. BEFORE the Lita shit. He came to Raw under the gimmick of "can't win a fucking match." It's not his gimmick now, he's just a jobber to the stars.

There were PLENTY of guys SmackDown. BULLSHIT they needed Angle. Benoit, Taker, Booker, Rey, even god help us Orton.

The Batista turn was booked as a reaction to him growing on the crowd as well as Benoit/Jericho/Tajiri putting him over as a killer and not the Deacon. There was no master plan then. Like there's no master plan. They're using Eddie's death, screwing over Rey, and shoving Orton down our throats AGAIN, in a process of throwing shit against the wall and seeing what sticks.

    Originally posted by BigSteve
    the problem is that with four hours of prime time shows per week and 15 pay per views per year, it's really hard to do too much long term booking
I'll take six hits off whatever you're smoking, because they did better long term booking when they had 5-6 PPVs a year and ONE weekly show.



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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.12
    Originally posted by AngryJohnny
      Originally posted by BigSteve
        Originally posted by BigSteve
        the problem is that with four hours of prime time shows per week and 15 pay per views per year, it's really hard to do too much long term booking
      I'll take six hits off whatever you're smoking, because they did better long term booking when they had 5-6 PPVs a year and ONE weekly show.


    Ummm yeah, that's kinda the point he was making. When you have to fill so many hours per week nowadays, it's hard for them to write and manage long-term angles. Back in the day, you didn't have to plan for four RAWs per month - only PPVs and the odd Saturday's Night Main Event.



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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.46
    Originally posted by chill
    OR... it was the plan all along, which makes sense. Is it possible these "journalists" who aren't credible or reliable don't have all the information all the time?


I don't think you have all the information when it comes to these unreliable, non-credible "journalists."


    If this was the first despicable thing WWE has done, then fine. But it's not.


Except it's not just business as usual WWE bad taste; it's a new low by a significant margin. And even if it wasn't uniquely and notably bad on their part, I don't understand the logic of "because I expected that to happen, I don't care that it did."


    If someone is stomping on your foot, what good does it do to comaplain to everyone around you when you could just move your foot instead?


Okay, but in your analogy, if someone is stomping on your foot, in addition to not moving it, you are also supposed to ignore it and say "Oh gosh, this neighborhood has a long history of people who stomp on your foot, so it's not worth mentioning that it's happening, because that just interferes with my enjoyment of walking."

Everyone here's hobby is commenting on pro wrestling. So if pro wrestling does something stupid and wrong, then it's well within anyone's right to say that that was stupid and wrong. Even if something else stupid and wrong had previously happened. The reason it keeps coming up, to your great boredom, is because either WWE will add a new bad wrinkle, or someone will say that what they did was not a bad thing (which is wrong!!!).

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