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Any of you Indiana fans here, please PLEASE try to justify Reggie Miller's actions last night for me ... You were crying that Brandon Hunter was playing too rought with poor Jermaine, so try and explain to me that there was nothing wrong with trying to take a man's legs out while he's up in the air.

Just a cowardly act all around ... First off, a ref finally has the guts to call Reggie on one of his famous flop jobs, as he pushes off Jiri Welsch near the end of the first half to try and get open (and then fakes like HE was the one who got pushed) ; the ref didn't bite, and called him for the foul.

Then, at the other end of the court, Miller is bouncing off players left and right like he was in a pinball machine, trying to get an offensive fould called his way (I guess because he "deserves" a makeup call, as if the official had the audacity to call a foul on him or some such nonsense); doesn't work, as Jiri is fouled by Tinsely, and Reggie starts in with the pouting.

Finally, with time winding down, Miller tries one more acting job, trying to use all his tricks to get a whistle ... No deal, so (in a final act of poor sportsmanship) as Jumaine Jones grabs the rebound with the clock winding down, he goes up for the desperation halfcourt shot and Reggie sticks out his leg and tries to trip him on the way down. Unbelievable.

And he was lucky he got away with just a technical! Not only should Jones have gotten three free throws for getting fouled in the act of shooting, but Reggie should have been immediately ejected and (better yet) suspended for Game Three ... That's the least amount of punishment fit for a crybaby who intentionally tries to injure a player just because he didn't get his way.

Cry about Hunter's actions all you want, Reggie Miller is a disgrace ...





(edited by Alessandro on 21.4.04 0826)


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Too bad.

Edit-- And I'll even qualify that a bit. If Brandon Hunter didn't get suspended for trying to take Jermaine O'Neal's head off, Reggie shouldn't get suspended for trying to take someone's legs out from under him.

Cry and complain all you want to, Celtics fans, but you guys brought the cheap tactics, and now it's your team that's going to have to suffer the consequences.

(edited by ekedolphin on 21.4.04 1011)


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See, I knew that would be the response ... "Hunter was a big meanie in Game One, so everything is fair game from here on out." Sorry, that is NOT going to cut it here.

You say Hunter nearly took O'Neal's head off? Then you must really not think much of Jermaine's physical conditioning (what is he, made of glass?). Replays clearly show Brandon did nothing malicious in that scuffle; he merely got tangled up with O'Neal and shoved him aside ... I don't claim to have access to coach John Carroll's thought processes as to whether or not it was an intentional move to get O'Neal off his game, but there was certainly no intent to hurt anyone during that play.

(Oh, and as a quick aside, I liked Hunter's response to charges of being a dirty player in today's Globe : "It wasn't on purpose. We just got tangled up. I didn't even throw him. If I would have thrown him, he would have went a lot farther. I didn't even throw him. I just kind of moved him off me.")

Miller's little act, on the other hand, is inexcusable ... He was whining about the refs, lost his cool, and decided to take out his childish frustrations by trying to injure a player who hadn't even done anything to him in the first place. What if Jumaine had not been able to catch himself, and fell flat on his face and broke his nose? Would you be so quick to defend the "eye for an eye" philosophy while a blameless man is left bloodied on the floor?

Face it, Miller exposed himself as a gutless player and no amount of "physical play" by Hunter (or any of the other Celtics, for that matter) will change the fact that such acts of cowardice do NOT a championship team make ... Miller was simply out to hurt another player because he didn't get his way, and such a display demands SWIFT action from the league offices.



(edited by Alessandro on 21.4.04 1042)

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Yeah, Hunter shoved O'Neal, all right... busting him open underneath his eye, and causing O'Neal to retaliate by getting in his face. O'Neal got a technical foul and Hunter didn't. Hunter was called for a loose ball foul, but he doesn't get suspended, and he doesn't get teched.

And you don't think it was malicious? Replays clearly show that Hunter had a shit-eating smirk on his face immediately afterwards. He flagrantly attacked O'Neal and was allowed to more or less get away with it.

And Ricky Davis quite obviously uttered obscenities to the crowd while shooting the technical foul shot, and didn't get teched for it, fined, suspended or anything.

And Ron Artest, who didn't come within a mile of the conflict, got suspended for taking three steps off the bench and then immediately catching himself and backpedaling.

Quoting from CNNSI.com now: “The league was put in a precarious situation,” [Celtics coach John] Carroll said. “If you're trying to keep order in the playoffs, you almost have to do something. And it's unfortunate because I don't think Ron had a malicious bone in his body. It was a thing that happened, and you knew that he came on the court, and he got off as soon as he could.”

So he admitted that he thought Artest's intentions were honorable. Yet he and the front office of the Celtics screamed and whined to the NBA saying Artest should be suspended (probably figuring that without Artest, they'd stand a chance of not getting their asses kicked in Game 2). And they got their wish-- Artest was suspended.

And it didn't matter, because we came back to beat the Celtics anyway.

The Celtics are as good at playing political games as any team I've ever seen. Maybe for this coming game, the Celtics are gonna take Indy Star columnist Bob Kravitz' advice and try to concoct a reason to get the Pacers' entire starting lineup suspended for all the hooting and hollering and jumping out of their seats they engaged in while the reserves were kicking the Celtics' collective ass.

So suspend Reggie Miller if you feel like it. We don't mind; we've got the deepest bench in the league with Freddie Jones, Austin Croshere, Johnathan Bender, Anthony Johnson, Scot Pollard and Kenny Anderson all able to provide significant contributions off the bench whenever we need 'em.

What Reggie did, he did out of frustration. What Hunter did, he did out of malice. And I wouldn't be particularly surprised if Carroll had deliberately sent Hunter out there to hurt or provoke Jermaine. The Celtics know they're the underdogs, and they'll resort to anything to try and win.



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You're getting your facts wrong here ... Hunter didn't do anything to give O'Neal that cut under his eye, it was due to an inadvertant elbow from Jiri Welsch during an unrelated play (O'Neal even admitted it wasn't from Hunter in a quote that appeared in several newspaper stories).

EDIT : Like this one ("But, in this instance, he didn't do any physical damage to O'Neal; the cut near O'Neal's right eye was, O'Neal said, from a Jiri Welsch elbow.")

And that smile could've easily just been from laughing off the "tough guy" talk that O'Neal was screaming into his ear as he was trying to start something with the rookie ... If you ask me, it's much better to just smile in an opponent's face when they start getting belligerent with you, rather than jawing back and trying to get tempers to escalate to the point of a fist fight breaking out.

Look, I'm not saying that I 100 percent know in my heart that Hunter wasn't trying to get into O'Neal's head by getting aggressive with him ... But I believe Brandon when he says he wasn't trying to take a cheap shot at the man because (obviously) there was no cheap shot there.

But Miller - bah, that had "cheap" and "dirty" written all over it; I can't understand how ANYONE (home bias or not) couldn't admit to that ... Why, if one of the Celtics pulled something like that, I would be too embarrassed to even bring it up in conversation; that type of act has no place in professional sports.



(edited by Alessandro on 21.4.04 1248)


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Miller has made a career of flopping. I don't know who is worse; him or Divac.
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It wasn't a suspendable action, and it shouldn't have been a technical. It should have been 3 shots as he fouled Jones in the act of shooting. Miller shouldn't annoy anyone, if you haven't figured out his act yet, you haven't paid attention the last 15 years. What should be disgusting people is that the Jethro Bodine impersonator Austin 'golly, I shorted a 2 foot shot in a 1 point loss to Georgetown because I was upset that teammates graduated the year before so I'll stink up the joint and cost Providence an NCAA bid' Croshere led the comeback.
And Eke, if you are this upset about what Hunter did to O'Neal, wait until the Conference Finals when either Kenyon Martin or one of the Wallace Brothers bangs him for 48 minutes. That's when you'll see him getting hit hard all night.

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    Originally posted by BOSsportsfan34
    Miller has made a career of flopping. I don't know who is worse; him or Divac.
Divac. Always Divac. C'mon now.



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Were you complaining when Divac was doing those flops for the Lakers? :)



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Bah, who cares! Seriously, what difference does it make if Miller plays or doesn't play. They won a game without Artest, they can win a game without Miller. It's going to be a sweep no matter if Miller plays or not.

And yes, Divac does flop more, and that's coming from a Divac supporter.



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    Originally posted by Quezzy
    They won a game without Artest, they can win a game without Miller. It's going to be a sweep no matter if Miller plays or not.


No no no, you're doing the same thing as Eke - you're trying to turn this whole argument into a "my team is better than your team so nyeh nyeh nyeh" pissing contest, when that's not what I'm talking about at all ... Look, I knew coming into the series that Boston didn't stand much of a chance of advancing to the next round. Hey, I would've been happy if they did (if only for the fact that it would make "experts" like Stephen A. Smith look like idiots), but I wasn't about to kid myself; as I've mentioned here on the W before, all I wanted the C's to do in this series was to remain competitive. Y'know, really make the Pacers sweat out there, keep the games close (which they did last night up until the fourth quarter) and show a nationwide audience that this really is a pretty good - although not yet at a championship level - group of players.

So people can accuse me of crying and complaining all they want, but the fact remains that Reggie Miller pulled a dirty play here and the league CANNOT allow people to get away with such things ... Hell, even if one of Indiana's big men (Bender? Croshere?) had set an "animated" pick on one of the Celtics' guards - y'know, kinda dip their elbow and really put some mustard on it - in retaliation for Hunter's actions in the previous game, I wouldn't have been as pissed off as I am right now. It's because this had NOTHING to do with ANY kind of retaliation; it was just Reggie acting like a jackass because the refs weren't treating him "right". Bleh.

The only problem is that people have pretty much swept the entire incident under the rug and have forgotten about it; scanning the Boston and Indiana online papers, I see that only ONE person actually made mention of the incident, and that was more of a quick aside than any condemnation of the act ("Then there was Reggie Miller's anti-social scene. After looking for a call on his last shot and getting none, Miller kicked at Jumaine Jones after the buzzer. Ref Joe Crawford delivered the technical.").

I dunno, I guess Jumaine isn't a big enough "name" for people to get worked up ... Jermaine O'Neal falls down, and people are burning up their keyboards, screaming and swearing that something should be done. But Jones could've easily gotten seriously injured, and people are like "Meh, who cares?"

I guess if Reggie Miller had gone after Paul Pierce, people would have noticed ... I dunno. But it looks like Reggie is gonna get away with acting like a no-talent thug because people don't care, so go on and celebrate, Pacers fans. Oooh, you're really kicking the Celts' asses, you should be so proud of yourselves - what a great accomplishment. You're really showing that professionalism and cohesiveness that Kravitz was talking about. Bully for you!





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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95

    Originally posted by KingKyle
    Were you complaining when Divac was doing those flops for the Lakers? :)
Of course! Except back then, I didnt know they were intentional and I thought he was just being a p#$$y.



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    Originally posted by Alessandro
    No no no, you're doing the same thing as Eke - you're trying to turn this whole argument into a "my team is better than your team so nyeh nyeh nyeh" pissing contest


I don't remember saying anything about my team, the Memphis Grizzlies.



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.75
    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze
      Originally posted by KingKyle
      Were you complaining when Divac was doing those flops for the Lakers? :)
    Of course! Except back then, I didnt know they were intentional and I thought he was just being a p#$$y.


Agreed. Even as a die-hard Laker fan, it was tough to root for Divac because of his temper and penchant for "acting." I'm so happy that I can now openly root against Vlade.

For me, it was just like when my Skins had Deion Sanders. I used to hate Sanders, but I had to root for him obviously, even though I knew that he was a obnoxious, overrated celebrity.

Actually I fear this with the Raiders and Sapp. I dislike Sapp's antics, and now I'm forced to hope that Warren scores 8 touchdowns and invents new dances with each score.

(edited by Torchslasher on 22.4.04 1702)


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